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Sparchitect
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WTF in my SGFC. (PICS)
#18785518 - 09/01/13 02:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey guys I think I'm doing some stuff seriously wrong inside my SGFC's. Perhaps misting too much, fanning too little? I really don't know. Need some advice.
Here's my SGFC containing 6 BRF Amazon cakes.

These seem to be aborting? Plus one albino one? I have no idea.

Blueing on top of cake. Too much misting, too little misting?

Is this an albino?

These seem to be aborting? Caps different colors than others? Also, top of cake is blueing. Hard to tell in the picture.

Also, this is my other SGFC of PESA strain and not one pin yet after 4 days.
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FruitOfLife
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I'm guessing BRF cakes?
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Those all look fine to me. Ditch the digital crap thermometer & hygrometer combo. Get analog ones, and make sure the hygrometer can be calibrated.
The ones you identified appear to be done so correctly. I wouldn't worry about the PESA. Just give them time. Cakes can take a week or so to pin.
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Sparchitect
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Yes, the digital hygrometer is crap, I need analog ones. Also, I have a ceiling fan on the lowest setting in that room.
Any idea why the cakes would be turning blue like that?
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I'm guessing BRF cakes?
Yes they are BRF cakes.
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TranscendingLife
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drying out, normally, is the cause of that type of bluing. But that's totally normal, which is why we dunk between flushes.
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tbagtag
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It could be moisture from the misting if you mist aggressively. Could be your cakes have a std, most likely it's from the mist, I'd back the nozzle up a bit or use a finer mist setting.
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Sparchitect
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Re: WTF in my SGFC. (PICS) [Re: tbagtag]
#18785602 - 09/01/13 02:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Okay thanks guys. I guess I'll just keep doing what I'm doing. I wish I could get a finer mist setting but my spray bottle still squirts out big drops along with the fine mist.
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Re: WTF in my SGFC. (PICS) [Re: tbagtag]
#18785634 - 09/01/13 02:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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A fan on in the room could possibly have a negative effect on the RH in a SGFC. Also make sure you have the holes on the bottom and the chamber is elevated slightly so air can pass underneath it.
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TranscendingLife
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I spray mine above the substrate and let it fall onto it. The only thing I mist directly is the walls (and perlite when applicable).
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I had severe bruising on my cakes, check my second log in my sig to see what it looked like. Everyone swore up and down it was just bruising, and yours look exactly like mine did. The bruised cakes put out some really good flushes too. I was all up in arms thinkin I had contams, spraying the house down with lysol and shutting off all the fans and shit in the house. xD
I don't know about the odd color of the mushies. If you're using spore syringes, expect varied results. My first grow died probably due to genetics if the people are to be believed (and I think they are) but even at that, I had about 3 aborts on my second grow which I considered a success. Don't stress on it, give them time. When you mist, hit the walls and the cakes but don't leave puddles, you just want them to glisten, then fan for 10 - 30s.
Edited by LTSwoomz (09/01/13 03:00 PM)
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Sparchitect
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Re: WTF in my SGFC. (PICS) [Re: LTSwoomz]
#18786823 - 09/01/13 08:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Caps have opened up a lot since I posted this morning.
Is this a good time to make a print from this cap? I can't see any spores around it.

How bout these? Time to pick?

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Kjetterfaen
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Afaik, if the veil is torn you can set it to print. No need to wait for it to start dropping beforehand, it will start soon enough..
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Ready to harvest for potency vs. weight. Wait another 18 hours for printing or when the cap flattens.
Also, please upload your photos to the site. IDK why users don't do that anymore.
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TranscendingLife said: Ready to harvest for potency vs. weight. Wait another 18 hours for printing or when the cap flattens.
Also, please upload your photos to the site. IDK why users don't do that anymore.
Thank you! Oh and I haven't been uploading because the pictures from my phone are between 2-4mb and it's a minor inconvenience to re-size them every-time in PS CS6. However, since you've brought it's importance to my attention I will start uploading to the shroomery.
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Ah, no worries. I get it. I auto-resize when I upload my pictures to my computer.
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Sparchitect said: Yes, the digital hygrometer is crap, I need analog ones. Also, I have a ceiling fan on the lowest setting in that room.
Any idea why the cakes would be turning blue like that?
You answered your own question. I've posted hundreds of times there should never be a fan in the same room with a shotgun terrarium because it screws up the natural circulation and blows all the humidity out. RR
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theyre doing just fine. The bluing is probably from slight damage from misting, happened to me all the time until I started misting at an angle that would allow the droplets to gently fall
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Sparchitect
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Thank you RR!
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Lol sparc you suck! Jk
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Re: WTF in my SGFC. (PICS) [Re: Stromrider]
#18792195 - 09/02/13 09:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well it's just the question about the fan was one of my main questions and concerns and no one answered it
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I know but I like giving you a hard time
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Re: WTF in my SGFC. (PICS) [Re: Stromrider]
#18792872 - 09/03/13 12:45 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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There should be no running fans in the room with the SGFC.
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Sparchitect
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Re: WTF in my SGFC. (PICS) [Re: PussyFart]
#18796402 - 09/03/13 08:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Finished my first flush on the 6 Amazon cakes. 100grams wet. Printed a few caps. About to dunk those six cakes, do I need to get all that dry verm off the cakes before I dunk?
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tbagtag
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Try to get it off as best as possible. Don't worry if it's not 100% gone. You don't want to damage the cake and some of the excess will come off during the soak.
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Sparchitect
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Re: WTF in my SGFC. (PICS) [Re: Stromrider]
#18798603 - 09/04/13 10:12 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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psillyshroomer said: I know but I like giving you a hard time
You mother effer, Lincoln does not approve!
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Sparchitect
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Also, anyone know where I can get a dehydrator? I'd rather just go scoop one up from Wal-mart or wherever has one than order it off Amazon and wait for it.
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tbagtag
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Bed bath and beyond has one that's adjustable for the same price as a fixed setting one from Wal-Mart. Also bass pro has dehydrators for days.
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Sparchitect said: Finished my first flush on the 6 Amazon cakes. 100grams wet. Printed a few caps. About to dunk those six cakes, do I need to get all that dry verm off the cakes before I dunk?
Nice, those things will have you fucked in the head. They say a cube is a cube but I disagree, amazonians always send my mind for a emotional spin.
No, just dunk them as is. Don't remove the verm and don't add any unless there are bare spots.
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Sparchitect said:
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psillyshroomer said: I know but I like giving you a hard time
You mother effer, Lincoln does not approve!

Beautiful dog man! I am getting a new family member today! My little Jake is going to have a girlfriend! She is a 6 week old mini dach and I am naming her Marceline the vampire queen or Marcy for short. It was my kids idea. It is a character off a cartoon called Adventure Time.
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Re: WTF in my SGFC. (PICS) [Re: gman7104]
#18802279 - 09/05/13 06:49 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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gman7104 said:
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Sparchitect said: Finished my first flush on the 6 Amazon cakes. 100grams wet. Printed a few caps. About to dunk those six cakes, do I need to get all that dry verm off the cakes before I dunk?
Nice, those things will have you fucked in the head. They say a cube is a cube but I disagree, amazonians always send my mind for a emotional spin.
No, just dunk them as is. Don't remove the verm and don't add any unless there are bare spots.

I ate my way through every strain from one of our most popular vendors between late winter and last weekend and I can tell you 3 things with 100% certainty.
1: All strains will take you to the same place if they are good. (Cubes are cubes, nothing really changed between each brand, they are more like a brand than a variety) 2: You can do the same strain multiple times and eventually end up with a bunk batch 3: my finger tips keep growing soon they will touch the sky.
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Sparchitect
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Re: WTF in my SGFC. (PICS) [Re: Stromrider]
#18806904 - 09/06/13 10:37 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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psillyshroomer said:
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Sparchitect said:
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psillyshroomer said: I know but I like giving you a hard time
You mother effer, Lincoln does not approve!

Beautiful dog man! I am getting a new family member today! My little Jake is going to have a girlfriend! She is a 6 week old mini dach and I am naming her Marceline the vampire queen or Marcy for short. It was my kids idea. It is a character off a cartoon called Adventure Time.
Haha nice man, I envy you!
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Sparchitect
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11 days since I birthed 6 PESA cakes, they look fine, smell fine but haven't pinned at all yet. However, I should mention that it looks like a little bit of the mycelium colonized the dry verm layer on one of the cakes. This is strange because it had its full 7 days consolidation period.
Also, with the first flush of the AMAZONIAN cakes those things started pinning in like 8 hours of fruiting conditions. Now I'm trying to flush them a second time and haven't seen any pins in 3 days so far, not too worried about this though.
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Yeah 11 days is a little long for no pins. Especially if you gave them an extra week in the jar. I don't know what to tell you besides wait longer
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Sparchitect
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Re: WTF in my SGFC. (PICS) [Re: Stromrider]
#18807546 - 09/06/13 01:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yep guess that's all I can do. Has anyone heard of jars colonizing just fine then not pinning? They're getting 12/12 light, lots of FAE, and 90-97% humidity. I feel like I might be over misting.
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Re: WTF in my SGFC. (PICS) [Re: Stromrider]
#18810230 - 09/07/13 01:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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psillyshroomer said: Yeah 11 days is a little long for no pins. Especially if you gave them an extra week in the jar. I don't know what to tell you besides wait longer
Dude your new dog is adorable. I showed my wife Jake and your new pup and now she wants another Dachsy hahah.
What is it with girls and wieners?
Edited by Sparchitect (09/07/13 01:36 AM)
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Lol girls love them wieners! I been meaning to ask you what kind of dog Lincoln is?
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Sparchitect
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Re: WTF in my SGFC. (PICS) [Re: Stromrider]
#18811814 - 09/07/13 02:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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psillyshroomer said: Lol girls love them wieners! I been meaning to ask you what kind of dog Lincoln is?
Just pure breed Dachshund with a dapple coat =]
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UPDATE: 1 of the 6 Am cakes are pinning. All 6 PESA cakes are FINALLY pinning and knotting after 11 days.
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Sparchitect said:
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psillyshroomer said: Lol girls love them wieners! I been meaning to ask you what kind of dog Lincoln is?
Just pure breed Dachshund with a dapple coat =]
That is what I thought. Dapples are my fav
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Sparchitect said: UPDATE: 1 of the 6 Am cakes are pinning. All 6 PESA cakes are FINALLY pinning and knotting after 11 days.
See there! Patience baby!!
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Sparchitect
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Re: WTF in my SGFC. (PICS) [Re: Stromrider]
#18837158 - 09/13/13 02:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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9/13/2013: PESA's are flushing beautifully =] Kinda small fruits though, I was hoping for bigger =/ Is there a way to prolong their growth and get them nice and fat and tall? This flush was only 43.5 grams wet =`[
Edited by Sparchitect (09/13/13 02:18 PM)
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Wow, those are tiny. That's the smallest I've seen other than a little guy I had grow on an agar plate once. Those little guys are kinda cute!
Size is genetics + conditions. There's no way to 'prolong' growth beyond what you get from good genetics and ideal conditions.
For the genetics, try another MS inoculation, and then clone the largest and first appearing fruits, and try a batch using the clone. You also might have luck with subsequent fruits from the same substrate. If this was an MS inoculation (looks like it based on your other posts), there's a good chance some of the fruits will have a different phenotype and if you're lucky, be bigger. Cross you fingers and that cake might yet produce.
For the conditions, dial that shit! Stamets is the classic reader on the topic. Looks like you're running a spec SGFC, so you're probably close to nailing it already. Just in case, here are the basic points: - Go bulk, or at least get bigger jars. - Add horse manure to your recipe - Use a casing layer - Ensure adequate nutrients in substrate (including a source of sulfur, such as gypsum) - Correct incubation/prepinning/pinning/fruiting parameters (temperature, humidity, FAE)
These are all somewhat contentious, so be advised that there are 1000 differing opinions on how to boost yields. People swear by all kinds of stuff - adding coffee, thicker/thinner casings, using different substrates... but the 5 above are the ones that seemed to make a difference for me.
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Edited by 8ow8 (09/13/13 02:52 PM)
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Re: WTF in my SGFC. (PICS) [Re: 8ow8]
#18837302 - 09/13/13 03:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thank you for the info! Yes I am absolutely doing a bulk grow next, done with cakes. I'm getting some big fruits on the other cakes, I'm going to clone those. Thanks for the advice!
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