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Lingabhakt
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I may just use a cheese greater just to give my wife something to do, lol. I live in NY & out door grows with cudies dont work too well, especially this time of year.
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blojo02184
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Yeah dude, I know that feeling.
Outdoors grows for us start in April, end in August. After August, it gets too cold at night.
Look into azures, they can grow through November till there's snow on the ground. And then even better, they have been known to winter over!
It's a wood lover though so it's a little different than cubes, not much from what I hear.
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King of Pain


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mushmagic said: Technically you could steam grains but it would take something like 8+ hours I beleive. Other than that yea you're left with BRF.
This whole thread is pretty much bullshit especially 8hrs come on dude don't spread it unless you have tried it.
I do not own a PC I never have. I do want one, and i always keep my eye out for a good deal.
However in the mean time which has been 3 years since i started doing this as a hobby, I have done nothing but steam sterilize for no longer than 2 hrs. Granted, I have only used whole brown rice as my grain of choice. The results have by far exceeded my expectations, when i have used it as spawn to bulk. G2G jar  1 1/2 qts spawned to H poo not the best set i have had but good enough for me. 2oz cracker dry first flush 37qt tub   All of the fruits and pics in my gallery aside from the cakes have been done this way.
I am even currently doing a mini mono tub of reishi. I wanted to experiment with it first as i didn't wanna waist my reishi LC syringe. So i prepped and STEAM sterilized my grain(wbr)i used 1/2 quart to experiment with, 6 days after inoculation(very very fast reishi is a beast) it was ready for bulk. My substrate was pasteurized wood pellets,wheat bran,and gypsum.
It can be done use your imagination,think outside the box a little.
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Lingabhakt
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I was thinking about doing a huge oyster & button grow to take to the local farmers market. For all the produce the there are no mushroom vendors.
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mushmagic said: Technically you could steam grains but it would take something like 8+ hours I beleive. Other than that yea you're left with BRF.
This whole thread is pretty much bullshit especially 8hrs come on dude don't spread it unless you have tried it.
Tell that to this guy....
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RogerRabbit said: Fractional sterilization fails 90% or greater of the time.
Steam grain jars as in the brf tek for 8 hours all at once if you don't have a pressure cooker. Keep a second pot of water on the stove boiling so you can add water as needed several times over that 8 hours. RR
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17046622#17046622
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RogerRabbit said: After preparation of the grains, you can steam at 100C for 8 hours and succeed. In fact, this is the method we use on our commercial mushroom farm to achieve 100% success. Not only that, but we're at 4000' elevation so water boils at less than 100C. The key is to keep the grains or supplemented sawdust at or near 100C for 8 hours.
Obviously a pressure cooker or sterilizer is best and quickest, but the above works. RR
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17867637#17867637
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RogerRabbit said: You can prepare and jar the grains as shown in Let's Grow Mushrooms and load into quart/liter jars. Steam sterilize for 8 hours in one setting. Keep a second pot of water boiling to use when adding water, because you'll need to do it every half hour or so. RR
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King of Pain


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Re: Bulk without a PC? [Re: PussyFart]
#18784901 - 09/01/13 11:24 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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The results i have had speak for themselves. In 3 years i have a had 1 jar succumb to contams, and that was a brf jar on my second go at it.
If i have produced results this way that i am more than satisfied with who are you to knock my method? I have never steamed for 8hrs ever.
Is it the best most tried and true method of course not. Is there one?
The Op wanted to know if it can be done and im here to say YES it can that's all.
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PussyFart
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I was not knocking your method, but you sure are knocking this one....
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.....
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King of Pain


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Re: Bulk without a PC? [Re: PussyFart]
#18784966 - 09/01/13 11:42 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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The only thing im knocking is people saying you can only use brf cakes as spawn to bulk(wrong)and others saying you have to steam grains for upwards of 8 hrs also(wrong). Last i checked whole brown rice is a grain, Which i spawn to bulk after 90 min steam sterilization. With results im more than happy with.
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PussyFart
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justncyn said: The only thing im knocking is people saying you can only use brf cakes as spawn to bulk(wrong)and others saying you have to steam grains for upwards of 8 hrs also(wrong). Last i checked whole brown rice is a grain, Which i spawn to bulk after 90 min steam sterilization. With results im more than happy with.
And that is just one type of grain. Have you had experience with any other grains?
When you want to give advice on a wide variety of whole grains, and not just single out whole brown rice, you give it 8 hours.
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mushmagic
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justncyn said: The only thing im knocking is people saying you can only use brf cakes as spawn to bulk(wrong)and others saying you have to steam grains for upwards of 8 hrs also(wrong). Last i checked whole brown rice is a grain, Which i spawn to bulk after 90 min steam sterilization. With results im more than happy with.
I also wasn't talking about whole brown rice though. Just to clarify, I was speaking of grains like rye and WBS.
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King of Pain


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Re: Bulk without a PC? [Re: PussyFart]
#18785134 - 09/01/13 12:39 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I said in my first post in this thread the only grain i have used is whole brown rice. Thus I'm not giving out advice for a wide variety of grains just one. That you don't need a pc for and you can spawn to bulk. With amazing results.
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mushmagic
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You also can't really call my statement bullshit though when I wasn't speaking of whole brown rice.
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When most people speak of grains on this forum, most of the time they mean wbs or rye or similar.
It would be just as easy to simply offer an alternative without being a dick. Rice is an alternative maybe nobody thought of.
Good job on alternative solutions though
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King of Pain


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SpitballJedi said: When most people speak of grains on this forum, most of the time they mean wbs or rye or similar.
It would be just as easy to simply offer an alternative without being a dick. Rice is an alternative maybe nobody thought of.
Good job on alternative solutions though
Was i being a dick? That was not my intention if so. I am aware of the grains most people speak of on here and that's great for those that use wbs,rye or others and have a PC. The op never mentioned a specific grain. But people who haven't tried alternatives shouldn't chime in based on something they have read, as we all know there is plenty of bad info on this site and plenty of good as well. My advice try alternatives,get your hands dirty, don't be afraid to fail. Read read read and do what feels right. I bet the results will surprise you.
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spacechildo
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justncyn said:
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mushmagic said: Technically you could steam grains but it would take something like 8+ hours I beleive. Other than that yea you're left with BRF.
This whole thread is pretty much bullshit especially 8hrs come on dude don't spread it unless you have tried it.
I do not own a PC I never have. I do want one, and i always keep my eye out for a good deal.
However in the mean time which has been 3 years since i started doing this as a hobby, I have done nothing but steam sterilize for no longer than 2 hrs. Granted, I have only used whole brown rice as my grain of choice. The results have by far exceeded my expectations, when i have used it as spawn to bulk. G2G jar 
How do you shake those rice jars? Since you can't, why not just make a PF-tek cake or 10? And go bulk with them?
It also looks like too ropey, stringy kinnda growth to me. Hard to see on your blurry pic, but they might have some bacteria in there.
I've read lots of people who get away with steaming their popcorn for 2 hrs, especially from Europe for some reason, but they I bet ya they've got some bacteria in there they don't see, but is there fighting with your culture.
edit: Point of the post was to say don't spread so much bad info. To get a got steady result, steam grain for 8 hrs. Don't go saying you just meant unshakable rice grains, just fess up!
Edited by spacechildo (09/01/13 02:46 PM)
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Lingabhakt
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Well, thank you EVERYBODY for the great feed back. I have time on my hands, so I think I might try it all using the Cup O Shrooms tek to see what works best (maybe geography does play a big role; worth looking farther into, I bet). I will likely try a batch of BRG steamed for 8 hrs for one tub & spawned BRF cakes in another, just to see what works best for me. Then again, who knows, I might just find a PC by then, lol. Thanks again, everybody. & for all our bickering & in-fighting on this site, I'm just happy to see so many passionate Shroomites.
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King of Pain


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spacechildo said:
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justncyn said:
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mushmagic said: Technically you could steam grains but it would take something like 8+ hours I beleive. Other than that yea you're left with BRF.
This whole thread is pretty much bullshit especially 8hrs come on dude don't spread it unless you have tried it.
I do not own a PC I never have. I do want one, and i always keep my eye out for a good deal.
However in the mean time which has been 3 years since i started doing this as a hobby, I have done nothing but steam sterilize for no longer than 2 hrs. Granted, I have only used whole brown rice as my grain of choice. The results have by far exceeded my expectations, when i have used it as spawn to bulk. G2G jar 
How do you shake those rice jars? Since you can't, why not just make a PF-tek cake or 10? And go bulk with them?
It also looks like too ropey, stringy kinnda growth to me. Hard to see on your blurry pic, but they might have some bacteria in there.
I've read lots of people who get away with steaming their popcorn for 2 hrs, especially from Europe for some reason, but they I bet ya they've got some bacteria in there they don't see, but is there fighting with your culture.
edit: Point of the post was to say don't spread so much bad info. To get a got steady result, steam grain for 8 hrs. Don't go saying you just meant unshakable rice grains, just fess up! 
How do i shake em? I just get out a phone book and bang the jar on it awhile, the consistency of rice is gonna be sticky of course, but it can be done because i have done it. Have you?
Im not really understanding your dialect its almost cryptical but i will try my best.
Have you tried to steam grains for less than 8 hrs? Im sure you haven't is my guess. You just read somewhere it has to be 8hrs, now its part of your vast repertoire of knowledge without ever experimenting, with this so called bad info yourself.
Any information i share on this site i have done myself with great results. If i had bad results, well i would certainly share those as well. Why wouldn't I? We all learn from each other
Edited by King of Pain (09/01/13 10:25 PM)
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William McCarty Jr
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You can buy pre sterilized BRF jars on amazon. I have been giving it serious thought..
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kinkaku
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William McCarty Jr said: You can buy pre sterilized BRF jars on amazon. I have been giving it serious thought..
learn to do it yourself and you wont regret it.
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Kizzle
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Re: Bulk without a PC? [Re: kinkaku]
#18787052 - 09/01/13 09:03 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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To be fair it is possible to steam whole grains for 2 hours and succeed, at least when inoculated with a large amount of mycelium but possibly without as well. It's just a matter of what kind of success rate you're willing to tolerate. I think most cultivators would agree that consistently losing any amount of jars to contamination is unacceptable because in the long run, since grain costs money, it would be cheaper to buy a PC.
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