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#18785068 - 09/01/13 12:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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http://www.politico.com/story/2013/08/sarah-palin-let-allah-sort-it-out-96128.html
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Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin is condemning potential American military action in Syria, charging it would be President Obama “saving political face” and saying, “Let Allah sort it out.”
“So we’re bombing Syria because Syria is bombing Syria? And I’m the idiot?” Palin wrote in a Facebook message to her followers on Friday, before the president said Saturday that he would seek Congressional approval.
“Bottom line is that this is about President Obama saving political face because of his ‘red line’ promise regarding chemical weapons,” she added.
At the top of the Facebook post, Palin wrote: “LET ALLAH SORT IT OUT.”
Palin criticized Obama’s plan to bomb Syria in response to chemical weapons attacks, questioning whether a U.S. bombing would help civilians in the war-torn country.
“President Obama wants to do what, exactly? Punish evil acts in the form of a telegraphed air strike on Syria to serve as a deterrent? If our invasion of Iraq wasn’t enough of a deterrent to stop evil men from using chemical weapons on their own people, why do we think this will be?” Palin wrote.
The 2008 GOP vice presidential candidate was also critical of the suggestion that military action in Syria is necessary for U.S. national security.
“We have no clear mission in Syria,” she wrote. “There’s no explanation of what vital American interests are at stake there today amidst yet another centuries-old internal struggle between violent radical Islamists and a murderous dictatorial regime, and we have no business getting involved anywhere without one.”
I agree with every word she said. The idiot in the Oval Office is doing this solely to cover his ass for making an idiotic threat last year, at which point he hits the fucking links immediately thereafter. Or blows Reggie Love.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: zappaisgod]
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I can't believe she's wiser than Obama but it seems to be the case.  
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: Icelander]
#18785395 - 09/01/13 01:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have no problem believing it. The man is clearly 100% affirmative action.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: zappaisgod]
#18785603 - 09/01/13 02:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Next he'll be saying he's sure they have WMD aimed at us.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: Icelander]
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As far as I know nobody has ever said that a nation other than China and the USSR had WMDs aimed at us. Which was also, of course, 100% accurate.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: zappaisgod]
#18785734 - 09/01/13 03:12 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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1) While he had plans to send some cruise missiles there, he hasn't yet. You may have heard he's seeking the approval of Congress. Of course, it's anyone's guess what he'll do if he doesn't get it.
2) In all fairness, no matter what he does, he will be criticized by the far right.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: Le_Canard] 1
#18785779 - 09/01/13 03:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Of course sarah palin is smarter than obama, an average chimp is smarter than he is. Its so obvious that only an idiot would think it was a good plan to get involved in syria. We have no real security interests, its all pretend sympathy for the people getting killed. The 100,000 or so killed by either assad or the rebels don't count for much but a couple hundred killed by chemicals is all of a sudden shocking and we must do something? Even though obama is a fumbling idiot, people around him must be explaining all this. It took a while to sink in but even the military is strongly against it so he decided to punt and put it up to congress, knowing they will do nothing.
In nazi germany when they found out hitler was an incompetent lunatic, they had an officers plot to kill him. Could such a thing happen here? Some say kennedy was taken out by an insiders coup for the stupid things he did.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: Stonehenge]
#18785811 - 09/01/13 03:31 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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What he needs to do is provide a lot of humanitarian aid for the poor common folk instead of trying to bomb the shit out of them. That would definitely improve America's image in the middle east.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: Le_Canard]
#18785993 - 09/01/13 04:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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The problem with him is that it shouldn't be anybody's guess. Who the fuck does he think he is?Quote:
2) In all fairness, no matter what he does, he will be criticized by the far right.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: zappaisgod]
#18786081 - 09/01/13 04:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Wasnt Sara Palin the one that said the Iraq war was gods will and the troops were being sent their on a task from god? So I guess god doesnt like Syria , or maybe he doesnt like Obama , or both. Isnt that where Obama is from? Anyway you cant call a retarded person a genius just cause they say one right thing.Shes still a dumb cum guzzling slut. At least now we know why Obombster is having such a hard time getting what he wants. Stupid God.
"Our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God," she said. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's plan." -SP speaking on Iraq war.
"God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that," -SP
Yep genius indeed. Ima ask god tonight if we can pleaaase please go to Syria and do a little of this..
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: psilynut]
#18786099 - 09/01/13 04:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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that there is a plan and that plan is God's plan
You know if god was the one who came up with the Iraq war plan, then we should probably do the opposite of whatever he tells Sara Palin. We need to strike Syria.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: zappaisgod]
#18786131 - 09/01/13 05:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: As far as I know nobody has ever said that a nation other than China and the USSR had WMDs aimed at us. Which was also, of course, 100% accurate.
No one addresses the side of the situation which is clearly how fucking retarded China and Russia are to be arming the opposite side. Why don't they mind their own fucking business? It'd be nice.
Obama adding on top of that is somewhat ironic humour. I mean, I can't understand why he wants another cold war. But maybe it's time for another one tired of the federal reserve being broke and instead of blaming stupid policies that creates imbalanced control in the "free market" they spend spend spend and borrow money from countries we could potentially be in a cold war with.
Let's go ahead and make another cold war, no Berlin Wall this time, it'll be a Syrian Wall. No more fucking borrowing, etc., I suggest embargo's etc. so people have to work harder to trade resources and lower prices etc. no more fuel from the middle east.
Sounds fair. Stupid fucking government garbage buying out $85 billion a month creating artificial rise in prices no one can afford. It's easy to manipulate a market and make investors think that a company's value is going up if it's equity shares rise whether there is a sales value in comparison being sold by the company anyway. But then again, fuck the investors, they'll die when we get nuked.
I'm uhhh.... moving to Mexico or Idaho. Probably Idaho to avoid the cartels. Dumb world, get nuked to hell. Not entirely Obama's fault but hey almost 100 million American voters or whatever the ballots were rigged to make the public think voting for this idiot all deserve what they get. If I lived in Germany, and could have voted out Hitler, you better believe I would have. Some people aren't as fortunate, as we may soon find out.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: zappaisgod]
#18786325 - 09/01/13 06:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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If he repeals Obamacare he will not be criticised by the right
Well, true. I was just saying in this instance. I do agree with Sarahcuda in this instance as well. I still think she's nutty.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: psilynut]
#18788663 - 09/02/13 08:09 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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psilynut said: Wasnt Sara Palin the one that said the Iraq war was gods will and the troops were being sent their on a task from god? So I guess god doesnt like Syria , or maybe he doesnt like Obama , or both. Isnt that where Obama is from? Anyway you cant call a retarded person a genius just cause they say one right thing.Shes still a dumb cum guzzling slut. At least now we know why Obombster is having such a hard time getting what he wants. Stupid God.
"Our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God," she said. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's plan." -SP speaking on Iraq war.
"God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that," -SP
Yep genius indeed. Ima ask god tonight if we can pleaaase please go to Syria and do a little of this..
Do you think that everything anybody who believes in god says is, by default, wrong? Because that would be fucking stupid.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: imachavel]
#18788702 - 09/02/13 08:34 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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You would have voted for Hitler, he was fucking brilliant.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: ClockCode]
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That also is a stupid observation. He was so brilliant he ended killing himself in a bunker.
Do either one of you mavens wish to address the substance of what the woman said? Of course not. The depth of your thinking extends to the credentials of the speakers and no further.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: zappaisgod]
#18788922 - 09/02/13 09:51 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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The associated press ran a newspaper article today criticizing obama for not immediately ordering a strike and for asking congress. This is their idea of news, they report their opinions of the news, not the news itself. The big money men who control the media want war. Why i don't know but that so called "news" story had no new information in it it was just pure opinion passed off as news.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: Stonehenge]
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Link it, if you don't mind, so I can see if it was presented as an editorial or not.
It has nothing to do with big money men and everything to do with protecting Obama's image, in whom these scumcunts in the media are very heavily invested.
I love that word, "scumcunt". It's almost nasty enough to describe the media.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: zappaisgod]
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I can't find a link to it, it was on the front page of the paper. An article by julie pace of ap.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: zappaisgod] 1
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zappaisgod said: That also is a stupid observation. He was so brilliant he ended killing himself in a bunker.
Do either one of you mavens wish to address the substance of what the woman said? Of course not. The depth of your thinking extends to the credentials of the speakers and no further.
Real people are being murdered. To you it's just a game of babble and who has the most politically correct sentence.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: imachavel]
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zappaisgod said: That also is a stupid observation. He was so brilliant he ended killing himself in a bunker.
Do either one of you mavens wish to address the substance of what the woman said? Of course not. The depth of your thinking extends to the credentials of the speakers and no further.
Real people are being murdered. To you it's just a game of babble and who has the most politically correct sentence.
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It is for you too. You're just complaining like everyone else here. People are murdered every day all over the world. These murders should be the business of that particular country. I'll guess that should we intervene they'll just be more "murders".
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: imachavel]
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Do either one of you mavens wish to address the substance of what the woman said? Of course not. The depth of your thinking extends to the credentials of the speakers and no further.
Real people are being murdered. To you it's just a game of babble and who has the most politically correct sentence.
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That's pretty stupid. What would you do, oh brave warrior?
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: zappaisgod]
#18789848 - 09/02/13 01:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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He's going over to arrest the culprits.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: Do either one of you mavens wish to address the substance of what the woman said?
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Katie Couric: How will you spread democracy through the world?
Dipshit Sarah Palin: Specifically, we will make every effort possible to help spread democracy for those who desire freedom, independence, tolerance, respect for equality. That is the whole goal here in fighting terrorism also. It’s not just to keep the people safe, but to be able to usher in democratic values and ideals around this, around the world.
OOOPS, unless Obama is president, then we should "let Allah sort it out."
Anybody who thinks Sarah Palin offers any substance, especially on foreign policy... Well, I'll keep it civil. This is the same idiot who thought the Queen of England is in charge of British troops. The same idiot who thought Iraq was involved in 9/11. She's a moron, through and through.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: zappaisgod]
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I can see Russia from my house... herp derp derp.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: That also is a stupid observation. He was so brilliant he ended killing himself in a bunker.
Do either one of you mavens wish to address the substance of what the woman said? Of course not. The depth of your thinking extends to the credentials of the speakers and no further.
Real people are being murdered. To you it's just a game of babble and who has the most politically correct sentence.
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That's pretty stupid. What would you do, oh brave warrior?
If I didn't know any better I'd think you and Icelander masturbated every time you thought you "just showed somebody in politics what the fuck they were talking about"
Funny enough, I've had a few friends that tried to talk me into going into the marines, joining to be a cop. I've shot a few rifles at targets. I've basically spent my life avoiding idiots that think adrenaline and guns mix. I won't be a cop, although I think many people should be in jail. I won't join the army just for a weeks basic training discipline. I can't imagine how dumb it'd be to actually consider firing weapons at people smart for some grand purpose. I think putting a heroin needle in one's arm is about as medically retarded as possible, what do you think I consider putting a bullet into someone
I've seen nothing from you and Icelander but constant compassion less arguments trying to prove who's political viewpoint is stronger and more accurate and have less flawed facts.
If someone had a gun in your face, you'd wish the world cried about it, whether it changed anything or not, believe me. It's not pretty and neither of you would enjoy it. If either of you had a chance to go up to Obama and simply say "please stop" neither of you would try it. If the arabs came knocking on your door with guns to burn your house down you sure would feel differently about smart remarks of who is a warrior or not.
Truthfully, it's most times people feel that other men with guns stand ready to do harm to those who would violate your freedom. And in some instances, I agree. In the case of Iraq, Libya, Syria, everything unassociated with Al Qaeda I'd imagine it'd be much wiser to not get involved, considering most of these people had no beef with the U.S. what so ever I'm sure until we get involved in their conflicts. It's pretty much saying "we'll go fuck you up, and the minute we stop flying jets over the sea boundaries that we created to show what we will protect, we invite you to just come on over with all your fucked up Jihad hate and anger and just basically take your ak-47s and have your revenge on whoever you choose, the first person you see."
I will agree with this much, someone is fighting for both your freedom. Not sure if it's the same people camping in the middle east. But there is definitely a line to cross that if crossed you'd both be sucking a barrel begging for your life asking who's genitals you need to please to not get your skull blown out Allah style. Whether it's the people fighting for you over seas, or some boundaries strongly guarded from nearby bases, someone is definitely fighting for your freedom
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: Smokey420]
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Smokey420 said: I can see Russia from my house... herp derp derp. 
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2011/0603/Political-misquotes-The-10-most-famous-things-never-actually-said/I-can-see-Russia-from-my-house!-Sarah-Palin
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10. "I can see Russia from my house!" – Sarah Palin
It was actually comedian Tina Fey, who was impersonating Ms. Palin on Saturday Night Live, who uttered the line that is now widely attributed to the former Alaska governor.
The basis for this line comes from a September 2008 interview with ABC News's Charles Gibson, who asked Palin what insights she had from her state being so close to Russia. She responded: "They're our next-door neighbors, and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska."
This is true. As Slate has pointed out, on a clear day, those on the Alaskan island of Little Diomede can see the Russian island of Big Diomede, located across the International Date Line some two and a half miles away. Given that Big Diomede has no permanent population, the amount of foreign policy experience one can gain from staring at it is debatable. But you can see Russian soil while standing in Alaska.
Why am I not surprised that your understanding of politics extends as deep as some pop culture slag's false impersonation of reality? I would ask again if you would care to comment on the content of what the woman said but I suspect that it will be just as vapid and inane as everything else you post.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: Mush4Brains]
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Katie Couric: How will you spread democracy through the world?
Dipshit Sarah Palin: Specifically, we will make every effort possible to help spread democracy for those who desire freedom, independence, tolerance, respect for equality. That is the whole goal here in fighting terrorism also. It’s not just to keep the people safe, but to be able to usher in democratic values and ideals around this, around the world.
OOOPS, unless Obama is president, then we should "let Allah sort it out."
Anybody who thinks Sarah Palin offers any substance, especially on foreign policy... Well, I'll keep it civil. This is the same idiot who thought the Queen of England is in charge of British troops. The same idiot who thought Iraq was involved in 9/11. She's a moron, through and through.
In what way would bombing Assad help spread Democracy? Do you not know who the opposition is?
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0110/31436.html
She asked questions, that's it.
The Queen thing? According to Steve Schmidt. He has no credibility. You, like the 420 guy, get your information from Hollywood.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: zappaisgod]
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I don't get a beating?
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: zappaisgod]
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Nobody besides the fringe Right cares what she thinks, or has to say. She is helping destroy any credibility the GOP still has.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: imachavel]
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: Mush4Brains]
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Mush4Brains said: Nobody besides the fringe Right cares what she thinks, or has to say. She is helping destroy any credibility the GOP still has.
Do you have anything to say about the substance of her remarks? Or are you going to live up to your user name.
I persistently see ignorant leftist shills lying about Sarah Palin. Why is that? Are you scared of her?
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: imachavel]
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Please show how you know how I would act in these stressful situations. I have faced a gun and gun fire and never begged for my life.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: Icelander]
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What substance Zappa? All I see is a moron with a big mouth talking about things she has no business talking about.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: Mush4Brains]
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Mush4Brains said: What substance Zappa? All I see is a moron with a big mouth talking about things she has no business talking about.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: zappaisgod]
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Do you have anything to say about the substance of her remarks?
Half obvious observation + Half vapid oversimplification = Policy genius? I guess if that's the case you can pencil in most of us here at the Shroomery for illustrious careers at the State Dept.
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what vital American interests are at stake there today amidst yet another centuries-old internal struggle between violent radical Islamists and a murderous dictatorial regime
This is a complete and flagrant misapprehension of the dynamics of the present conflict and (more egregiously) the history of Syria. This characterization of the conflict is like saying that the current U.S. political landscape is the result of "a centuries-old conflict between the Tea Party and left-wing blogs like Jezebel and Buzzfeed." Basically, she doesn't know shit about Syria. The only point in her favor is that she correctly sees intervention as a terrible move - or, more likely, has been advised to see it as such, since I doubt she gives a shit.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: Icelander]
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prove it
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: zappaisgod]
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Smokey420 said: I can see Russia from my house... herp derp derp. 
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2011/0603/Political-misquotes-The-10-most-famous-things-never-actually-said/I-can-see-Russia-from-my-house!-Sarah-Palin
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10. "I can see Russia from my house!" – Sarah Palin
It was actually comedian Tina Fey, who was impersonating Ms. Palin on Saturday Night Live, who uttered the line that is now widely attributed to the former Alaska governor.
The basis for this line comes from a September 2008 interview with ABC News's Charles Gibson, who asked Palin what insights she had from her state being so close to Russia. She responded: "They're our next-door neighbors, and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska."
This is true. As Slate has pointed out, on a clear day, those on the Alaskan island of Little Diomede can see the Russian island of Big Diomede, located across the International Date Line some two and a half miles away. Given that Big Diomede has no permanent population, the amount of foreign policy experience one can gain from staring at it is debatable. But you can see Russian soil while standing in Alaska.
Why am I not surprised that your understanding of politics extends as deep as some pop culture slag's false impersonation of reality? I would ask again if you would care to comment on the content of what the woman said but I suspect that it will be just as vapid and inane as everything else you post.
As much as it pains me, I agree with Palin here. We're not the world police and we have no business in Syria.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: imachavel]
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prove it
Answer my question first. Then I'll answer.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: zappaisgod]
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So , apparently some elected republicans that actually have influence think striking Syria is a good idea. Boener, mcain, cantor, grahm.. or top republicans as the article said. I forget, what level of republican is Palin these days? Middle maybe? Guess they must of had a slightly different convo with god than palin. Or perhaps they just havnt risen to her level of genius yet.
"But obviously, we've got to stand with our North Korean allies." --Sarah Palin
"how are we going to kick in the plan that will get this economy back on the right track and really shore up the strategies that we need over in Iraq and Iran to win these wars?" --sara palin
"Ohh, good, thank you, yes." --Sarah Palin, after the Canadian prank caller complimented her on the documentary about her life, Hustler's "Nailin Paylin," Nov. 1, 2008 Shocking she wasnt elected in 2008 right?
Your title should have been -holy fucking shit , I cant fucking believe it , Palin said something something that didnt make me wanna kick her in the crotch for once , its a miracle.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: zappaisgod]
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The same goes in spades for you.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: Icelander]
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prove it
Answer my question first. Then I'll answer.
Im not going to answer shit. I doubt you have faced any of that shit. You would react like anyone else, crying "I need a medic"
Youve never been shot, shot at. You are a political debater. You argue paper stack morals. You dont know what people getting blown the hell up is. Its this:
You know what? Ive never really seen you post anything but useless arguments here. More over you have a know it all debate type attitude. Time for ignore
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: Lion]
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Mush4Brains said: Nobody besides the fringe Right cares what she thinks, or has to say. She is helping destroy any credibility the GOP still has.
Do you have anything to say about the substance of her remarks?
Half obvious observation + Half vapid oversimplification = Policy genius? I guess if that's the case you can pencil in most of us here at the Shroomery for illustrious careers at the State Dept.
Me, maybe, not most.Quote:
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what vital American interests are at stake there today amidst yet another centuries-old internal struggle between violent radical Islamists and a murderous dictatorial regime
This is a complete and flagrant misapprehension of the dynamics of the present conflict and (more egregiously) the history of Syria. This characterization of the conflict is like saying that the current U.S. political landscape is the result of "a centuries-old conflict between the Tea Party and left-wing blogs like Jezebel and Buzzfeed." Basically, she doesn't know shit about Syria. The only point in her favor is that she correctly sees intervention as a terrible move - or, more likely, has been advised to see it as such, since I doubt she gives a shit.
Methinks you have no idea what is going on there. Assad is a murderous dictator and the majority of the opposition are Islamist nutcases and struggles like this are typical in the Islamic Middle East. See Saddam/ Sadr. See Iran mullahs v the Shah. See Egypt Mubarak v Muslim Brotherhood.
There is no centuries old struggle between liberal retards and libertarian conservatives since the liberal retards didn't come on to the scene in America until less than a hundred years ago. You don't know what the fuck you're babbling about.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: zappaisgod]
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Methinks you have no idea what is going on there. Assad is a murderous dictator and the majority of the opposition are Islamist nutcases and struggles like this are typical in the Islamic Middle East.
Mmmhmm, thanks for the Kiddie History Lesson. And the Assads have been in power for how long? Centuries? And Jabhat al-Nusra has existed for how long? Centuries?
The Assads have been in power for four decades, and many of the Islamist factions fighting them are groups that didn't even exist three years ago. Did she or did she not use the term "centuries-old struggle" to describe the situation in Syria, specifically? Yes, she did, and that is idiotic and comparable to the equally ridiculous analogy I made to U.S. politics.
As for the present dynamics on the ground: There are no credible parties that won't admit that the vast majority of Syrians who oppose the government (and the majority of fighters) have no affiliation whatsoever with any radical Islamist group.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: zappaisgod]
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The Right is just looking to pounce on Obama. He painted himself into a corner with his red-line comment.
Now if Obama doesn't act, the Right will blame him for being weak. If congress doesn't approve military action, and he strikes anyway, they will blame him for ignoring congress. If congress approves military action, then Obama should have done it sooner. This isn't foreign policy, this is domestic political pandering.
We still haven't even been arming the rebels after the White House approved it.
So what you are saying, Zappa, is the same thing that Palin is saying. "Let Allah sort it out." What does that do to the United States' position in the world? Let Russia and China know that their allies can slaughter civilians with chemical weapons and there will be no recourse from the United States?
How about we stop the name calling and start using our brains here?
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: Lion]
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Don't get me wrong, Zappa, I'm anti-intervention and 100% anti-Obama. But we're talking about Sarah Palin and Syria here. Sarah Palin doesn't know SHIT about Syria. I would be dumbfounded if she could even do ONE of the following off-the-cuff:
1) Name a city in Syria besides the capital 2) Name Bashar al-Assad's father 3) Name a single member of the Syrian opposition 4) Name a prominent Syrian intellectual (hell, I'd settle for an intellectual in any country that borders Syria) 5) Say one coherent sentence about the Syrian regime's ideology
She's fucking Britney Spears in a pantsuit.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: Lion]
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Don't worry, Zappa will just come in here and tell you that you know nothing but Hollywood politics or some bullshit and then reiterate his support for Palin.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: Lion]
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Methinks you have no idea what is going on there. Assad is a murderous dictator and the majority of the opposition are Islamist nutcases and struggles like this are typical in the Islamic Middle East.
Mmmhmm, thanks for the Kiddie History Lesson. And the Assads have been in power for how long? Centuries? And Jabhat al-Nusra has existed for how long? Centuries? 
Assad isn't the only murderous dictator to exist in the Middle East and he won't be the last, nor is al qaeda the first group of Islamic extremists. This struggle does indeed go back centuriesQuote:
The Assads have been in power for four decades, and many of the Islamist factions fighting them are groups that didn't even exist three years ago. Did she or did she not use the term "centuries-old struggle" to describe the situation in Syria, specifically? Yes, she did, and that is idiotic and comparable to the equally ridiculous analogy I made to U.S. politics.
She was correct. There is a centuries old struggle between secular dictators and religious dictators. Wake up.Quote:
As for the present dynamics on the ground: There are no credible parties that won't admit that the vast majority of Syrians who oppose the government (and the majority of fighters) have no affiliation whatsoever with any radical Islamist group.
ORLY? Methinks you are quite full of shit wrong.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: Lion]
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Lion said: Don't get me wrong, Zappa, I'm anti-intervention and 100% anti-Obama. But we're talking about Sarah Palin and Syria here. Sarah Palin doesn't know SHIT about Syria. I would be dumbfounded if she could even do ONE of the following off-the-cuff:
1) Name a city in Syria besides the capital 2) Name Bashar al-Assad's father 3) Name a single member of the Syrian opposition 4) Name a prominent Syrian intellectual (hell, I'd settle for an intellectual in any country that borders Syria) 5) Say one coherent sentence about the Syrian regime's ideology
She's fucking Britney Spears in a pantsuit.
Bullshit. She knows more about it than you. Which is irrelevant to the validity of what she said, which is a lot more intelligent than what either the President or the last two inept Secretaries of State have said. As far as I can tell, you and they are Ozzie Osbourne.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: zappaisgod]
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You're being really dense, man.
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“We have no clear mission in Syria,” she wrote. “There’s no explanation of what vital American interests are at stake there today amidst yet another centuries-old internal struggle between violent radical Islamists and a murderous dictatorial regime, and we have no business getting involved anywhere without one.”
There is no ambiguity here. She is calling the current Syrian conflict "yet another centuries-old internal struggle." She was not talking about the history of the Middle East (which would be even more absurdly out of the confines of her narrow intellect). She was talking about Syria. And the current Syrian conflict is not centuries-old, it is fundamentally a postcolonial conflict.
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ORLY? Methinks you are quite ... wrong.
I'm not wrong. The majority of fighters are in the Free Syrian Army, which is largely military defectors. They are fighting because they didn't want to kill their own countrymen. Even the most alarmist commentators are mostly concerned with foreign arms shipments to the F.S.A. accidentally falling into the hands of Jihadist groups. I've never seen any of them say anything about a majority of fighters being radical Islamists, because it's a preposterous notion.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: Bullshit. She knows more about it than you.
No, she doesn't.
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Which is irrelevant to the validity of what she said, which is a lot more intelligent than what either the President or the last two inept Secretaries of State have said.
They're all idiots. Their immense idiocy doesn't exculpate her.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: Lion]
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“We have no clear mission in Syria,” she wrote. “There’s no explanation of what vital American interests are at stake there today amidst yet another centuries-old internal struggle between violent radical Islamists and a murderous dictatorial regime, and we have no business getting involved anywhere without one.”
There is no ambiguity here. She is calling the current Syrian conflict "yet another centuries-old internal struggle." She was not talking about the history of the Middle East (which would be even more absurdly out of the confines of her narrow intellect). She was talking about Syria. And the current Syrian conflict is not centuries-old, it is fundamentally a postcolonial conflict.
I disagree. The entire Islamic world has been involved in a struggle between murderous dictators of the secular stripe and murderous dicators of the religious stripe. You're just being a false parsing tool here.Quote:
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ORLY? Methinks you are quite ... wrong.
I'm not wrong. The majority of fighters are in the Free Syrian Army, which is largely military defectors. They are fighting because they didn't want to kill their own countrymen. Even the most alarmist commentators are mostly concerned with foreign arms shipments to the F.S.A. accidentally falling into the hands of Jihadist groups. I've never seen any of them say anything about a majority of fighters being radical Islamists, because it's a preposterous notion.
ORLY? At this point I think most of the actual fighters are al Nusra and pals. In fact, pretty much all of the commentators I've read have said it has been taken over by these scumbags. You think most of the fighters are army defectors?
There has been a centuries old struggle in the middle east between religious dictators and secular dictators. To deny this is idiotic. The particular players may change but the game remains the same.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: Lion]
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Which is irrelevant to the validity of what she said, which is a lot more intelligent than what either the President or the last two inept Secretaries of State have said.
They're all idiots. Their immense idiocy doesn't exculpate her.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: zappaisgod]
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The Half Term Gov. of AK hasn't got the brains your god gave a Piss Ant.
You won't accept anything O has to say I refuse to give the Clueless Whore from Wassila any credit.
Fact #1. Chemical Weapons were used. Those weapons are illegal. That is why the world should care.
Fact #2. History shows that you fight a current war based on the last war.
Fact #3. lil'bush fucked up the trust of the people of the US and the world, that is why the British won't go and we have not yet.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: sweeper54]
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You won't accept anything O has to say I refuse to give the Clueless Whore from Wassila any credit.
Fact #1. Chemical Weapons were used. Those weapons are illegal. That is why the world should care.
Except, apparently, it doesn't. Only the French are on board. That's it. No Arab League, no UN, no Britain. Quote:
Fact #2. History shows that you fight a current war based on the last war.
This is not going to be a war, as President Empty Pants has declared numerous timesQuote:
Fact #3. lil'bush fucked up the trust of the people of the US and the world, that is why the British won't go and we have not yet.
Bush had the Congress, the American people and the UN fully on board along with about 50 nations actively involved. How come the great diplomat can't get shit? I know. Blame Bush. Stupid.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: I disagree. The entire Islamic world has been involved in a struggle between murderous dictators of the secular stripe and murderous dicators of the religious stripe. You're just being a false parsing tool here.
I'm not parsing. It's clear that she is referring to the present Syria conflict as a centuries-old conflict between radical Islamists and one regime. This is basic reading comp:
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“We have no clear mission in Syria,” she wrote. “There’s no explanation of what vital American interests are at stake there today amidst yet another centuries-old internal struggle between violent radical Islamists and a murderous dictatorial regime..."
This is a misstatement that belies utter ignorant's of the country's history and eagerness to simplify the conflict and lump it with other regional conflicts. That's usual the mark of a pundit, not a policy genius.
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ORLY? At this point I think most of the actual fighters are al Nusra and pals. In fact, pretty much all of the commentators I've read have said it has been taken over by these scumbags. You think most of the fighters are army defectors?
I know that the majority are Free Syrian Army, not Jabhat al-Nusra. And that a major element of the F.S.A. is army defectors, though it also has many civilians in its ranks. Al-Nusra has been the most militarily successful opposition faction, but it does not represent a majority of fighters, nor any but a small percentage of civilians.
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There has been a centuries old struggle in the middle east between religious dictators and secular dictators. To deny this is idiotic. The particular players may change but the game remains the same.
Centuries old struggle between religious dictators and secular dictators in the Middle East? I don't think that's really an overarching narrative that most regional historians would agree on. Would you mind pointing out to me some examples of the secular Middle Eastern dictators of antiquity?
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: sweeper54]
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Any credible sources? That say most, i.e. the majority, of fighters are jihadists. Commentators don't count, how about actual journalists, instead of listening to what idiots like Glen Beck, Sarah Palin, and any half-wit that writes for Breitbart?
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: sweeper54]
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This notion is nuts that if someone somewhere does something really really bad, its the job of usa to punish them. That goes back to the discredited world cop idea. Discredited among reasonable people but alive and well among obamas rank and file, also known as 'tards. "Let god or allah sort it out", works for me.
Its as if the usa never learns anything from its many miscalculations. We worked to over throw the shah, now we have a religious run iran. We overthrew saddam because he was really really bad, now people get killed every day by nutjob bombings. Under saddam, the few he tortured to death each week is less than the typical number killed now each and every day. Under saddam there was stability, now there is chaos.
We intervened in libya, now there is chaos, we intervened in afghanistan, now after losing billions of dollars and thousands of usa soldiers, its still a mess. As soon as we pull out of a country after bringing "democracy" to them at the point of a gun, the whole thing we set up falls apart. So what does the genius in the white house want to do? Get into the syrian conflict of course. He is joined by lunatics on the right such as graham and mccain who never saw a war they didn't like.
Meanwhile, the economy is on the verge of collapse, our borrowing power is getting near empty, we are relying on counterfeit money to keep from going under and we are trying to get into trouble in yet another volatile region. The lunatics have taken over the asylum.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: Lion]
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zappaisgod said: I disagree. The entire Islamic world has been involved in a struggle between murderous dictators of the secular stripe and murderous dicators of the religious stripe. You're just being a false parsing tool here.
I'm not parsing. It's clear that she is referring to the present Syria conflict as a centuries-old conflict between radical Islamists and one regime. This is basic reading comp:
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“We have no clear mission in Syria,” she wrote. “There’s no explanation of what vital American interests are at stake there today amidst yet another centuries-old internal struggle between violent radical Islamists and a murderous dictatorial regime..."
This is a misstatement that belies utter ignorant's of the country's history and eagerness to simplify the conflict and lump it with other regional conflicts. That's usual the mark of a pundit, not a policy genius.
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ORLY? At this point I think most of the actual fighters are al Nusra and pals. In fact, pretty much all of the commentators I've read have said it has been taken over by these scumbags. You think most of the fighters are army defectors?
I know that the majority are Free Syrian Army, not Jabhat al-Nusra. And that a major element of the F.S.A. is army defectors, though it also has many civilians in its ranks. Al-Nusra has been the most militarily successful opposition faction, but it does not represent a majority of fighters, nor any but a small percentage of civilians.
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There has been a centuries old struggle in the middle east between religious dictators and secular dictators. To deny this is idiotic. The particular players may change but the game remains the same.
Centuries old struggle between religious dictators and secular dictators in the Middle East? Not really. Would you mind pointing out to me some examples of the secular Middle Eastern dictators of antiquity? 
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Secular governments had existed in the Muslim world since the 10th century. According to the scholar Ira M. Lapidus:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_secularism
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: She is spot on. You are not.
So you agree with her assessment that the conflict in Syria is a centuries-old internal struggle between radical violent Islamists and a murderous dictatorial regime?
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The Free Syrian Army has 80,000 fighters. Do you think there are any terrorist organizations out there that have 80,000 fighters?
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Secular governments had existed in the Muslim world since the 10th century. According to the scholar Ira M. Lapidus:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_secularism
Piss off.
Nice job. You've pulled out a Wiki article that says nothing about any conflicts between "secular dictators" and "religious dictators", and which does not refer to any pre-20th century secular states by name. The only pre-20th century mention is of the rulers of some early Caliphates. Yes, when I think Caliphate, I think secular dictatorship battling radical violent Islamists!
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: zappaisgod]
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So sez you without one shred of evidence
The FSA is 80k strong. You really think Al Nursa outnumber them? Where is your evidence, Zappa? Once again, actual journalism, not your beloved "commentators."
I'll start with actual journalism.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/freedom-fighters-cannibals-the-truth-about-syrias-rebels-8662618.html
You can see that although many are looking for an Islamist government, that doesn't mean they are al-Qaeda affiliated. As of right now, your "al nursa and pals" comment is making up maybe 25% MAXIMUM of the fighters against Assad (and that is being very generous).
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: Lion]
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So you agree with her assessment that the conflict in Syria is a centuries-old internal struggle between radical violent Islamists and a murderous dictatorial regime?[/quote}Yes[quote}
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The Free Syrian Army has 80,000 fighters. Do you think there are any terrorist organizations out there that have 80,000 fighters?
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Secular governments had existed in the Muslim world since the 10th century. According to the scholar Ira M. Lapidus:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_secularism
Piss off.
Nice job. You've pulled out a Wiki article that says nothing about any conflicts between "secular dictators" and "religious dictators", and which does not refer to any pre-20th century secular states by name. The only pre-20th century mention is of the rulers of some early Caliphates. Yes, when I think Caliphate, I think secular dictatorship battling radical violent Islamists!

There most certainly is a centuries old struggle between the priest class and the political secular class.. She is right and you are a kneejerk hater
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: Mush4Brains]
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Ive heard that Al Qaeda in Iraq has less then 400 operatives in Syria, mostly training cadres. Al Nusra front is large too, but their are others, 25% sounds about right.
Also Assad has terrorists he supports as well, Hezbollah, Peoples front for the Liberation of Palestine,Hezbollah probably responsible for the assassination of Rafiq Hariri in Lebanon.
Although groups under the Syrian Liberation Front, do preach a salafist/al-ikwhan type of political doctrine,but they are also much different then Jabhat al Nusra, or Ahrar al Sham. They are moderate enough in their ideologies to be able to pursue a democratic Syria in which all religions are accepted, Syria is a country that has been much spared by ethnic clashes, Druze,Kurds,Alawites, Sunni, Shiite and Christian all have lived together peacefully (mostly) for centuries. Secularism has always been strong in Syria, most people see themselves as Syrians first, and Sunni, or Druze, or Kurd second. Im just afraid that the wider Shiite-Sunni split is going to leave no hope for a lasting peace in the region. The Sunni's would sooner ally with Israel before they would ever come to peace with Shiites and vice versa. The gulf states are really pushing hard for regime change in Syria, they really fear a spill over of hostilities into neighboring countries and allies, they also want to isolate the spread of revolutionary Shiite doctrine that's coming out of Iran.
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Zap wrote: Except, apparently, it doesn't. Only the French are on board. That's it. No Arab League, no UN, no Britain.
Refer to fact#3
This is not going to be a war, as President Empty Pants has declared numerous times
You are correct we are not going to 'war' but the fact is that once lied to in the last war people are reluctant to get consent in the next.
Bush had the Congress, the American people and the UN fully on board along with about 50 nations actively involved. How come the great diplomat can't get shit? I know. Blame Bush. Stupid.
lil'bush LIED to the congress, LIED to the UN and LIED to the world.
Arab League foreign ministers have urged the international community and the United Nations to take "deterrent" action against the Syrian regime over its alleged use of chemical weapons.
"The United Nations and the international community are called upon to assume their responsibilities in line with the UN Charter and international law by taking the necessary deterrent measures", the ministers said in a statement on Sunday following a meeting in Cairo.
It said that the Syrian regime of President Bashar al-Assad was "responsible" for the August 21 attack.
The foreign ministers also said those responsible for the attack should face trial, as other "war criminals" have done.
The neighborhood is calling for action, and that would include Israel, quietly.
Sounds like a more then a few countries.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: sweeper54]
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So you can show us proof that he lied?
Or are you stating as fact that which is clearly opinion?
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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So you can show us proof that he lied?
Or are you stating as fact that which is clearly opinion?
Dude there are several books written about it. Get your head out of the sand.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: sweeper54]
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Zappa, where are your numbers here coming from? If it is so plainly obvious, shouldn't there be some reputable sources saying that the majority of the people fighting against Assad are al-Nursa/al-Qaeda affiliated?
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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sweeper54 said: lil'bush LIED to the congress, LIED to the UN and LIED to the world.
So you can show us proof that he lied?
Or are you stating as fact that which is clearly opinion?
o·pin·ion əˈpinyən/ noun noun: opinion; plural noun: opinions
1.a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.
You can find the reports here
Here's just a few of the lies:
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-- Statements and implications by the President and Secretary of State suggesting that Iraq and al-Qa'ida had a partnership, or that Iraq had provided al-Qa'ida with weapons training, were not substantiated by the intelligence.
-- Statements by the President and the Vice President indicating that Saddam Hussein was prepared to give weapons of mass destruction to terrorist groups for attacks against the United States were contradicted by available intelligence information.
-- Statements by President Bush and Vice President Cheney regarding the postwar situation in Iraq, in terms of the political, security, and economic, did not reflect the concerns and uncertainties expressed in the intelligence products.
-- Statements by the President and Vice President prior to the October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate regarding Iraq's chemical weapons production capability and activities did not reflect the intelligence community's uncertainties as to whether such production was ongoing.
-- The Secretary of Defense's statement that the Iraqi government operated underground WMD facilities that were not vulnerable to conventional airstrikes because they were underground and deeply buried was not substantiated by available intelligence information.
-- The Intelligence Community did not confirm that Muhammad Atta met an Iraqi intelligence officer in Prague in 2001 as the Vice President repeatedly claimed.
This is so easily verifiable, why not just admit it?
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: Mush4Brains]
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Freedom of speech and education are beautiful things. It's amazing to me what the world would be like without the freedom we have here to say the things we know. Thank god for knowledge, the most valuable commodity. Of all time.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: There most certainly is a centuries old struggle between the priest class and the political secular class.. She is right and you are a kneejerk hater
I don't know how much less relevant anything could be to your original statement that there is a centuries-old conflict in the Middle East between "secular dictators" and "Islamist dictators", or to anything that Sarah Palin has ever said. Sarah Palin was making a comment about Syria specifically, not about the ages-old ideological struggles between clerics and philosophers/politicians in Islamic states. How you can impute that level of historical insight into her straightforward misrepresentation of a modern conflict is beyond me.
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So you agree with her assessment that the conflict in Syria is a centuries-old internal struggle between radical violent Islamists and a murderous dictatorial regime?[/quote}Yes
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The Free Syrian Army has 80,000 fighters. Do you think there are any terrorist organizations out there that have 80,000 fighters?
Yes
So for the record, when you are saying "Yes", you are also saying yes to the first question, indicating you believe that the present conflict in Syria is a "centuries-old internal struggle between violent radical Islamists and a murderous dictatorial regime..." All right.
Now would you care to provide some statistics supporting the idea that Jabhat al-Nusra, or any radical Islamist group or combination of several groups with a substantial presence in Syria, has more than 80,000 fighters? Even Hezbollah, one of the largest and most well-funded terrorist organizations in the Middle East, has at best 5,000-10,000 fighters at its disposal.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: Lion]
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I've already posted a quality article that calls him on his bullshit, and he ignored it. I bet he comes in here and tries to spin your words, insults your intelligence, and possibly call you names.
Don't count on any intelligent conversation, just remember, he started this thread with the title "Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius."
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: sweeper54]
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sweeper54 said: lil'bush LIED to the congress, LIED to the UN and LIED to the world.
So you can show us proof that he lied?
Or are you stating as fact that which is clearly opinion?
Dude there are several books written about it. Get your head out of the sand.
To take my head out of the sand would require it to be there in the first place. I've been reading claims that Bush lied for years. Funny thing... no-one has proved it.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: Mush4Brains]
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Mush4Brains said: This is so easily verifiable, why not just admit it?
If it's so easy, do it.
The best you'll be able to do is prove he was wrong, not that he lied.
Let's see the smoking gun.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Exactly. You will refuse to believe anything posted. I have provided the link to the senate reports on the Iraq intelligence that show that the Bush administration told the American public things that they had no evidence for, and in some instances had evidence against. If you won't believe a multiple year investigation by the US Senate, than so be it.
Like the other poster said, there are also plenty of books from people within the Bush administration that said the administration was intentionally misrepresenting the facts (LYING) in order to build support for the war.
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One chilling moment in the film comes in an interview with retired General Anthony Zinni, a former commander in chief of US Central Command. In August 2002, the Bush-Cheney administration opened its propaganda campaign for war with a Cheney speech at the annual Veterans of Foreign Wars convention. The veep made a stark declaration: “There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. There is no doubt he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us.” No doubt, he proclaimed, Saddam was arming himself with WMD in preparation for attacking the United States.
Zinni was sitting on the stage during the speech, and in the documentary he recalls his reaction:
“It was a shock. It was a total shock. I couldn’t believe the vice president was saying this, you know? In doing work with the CIA on Iraq WMD, through all the briefings I heard at Langley, I never saw one piece of credible evidence that there was an ongoing program. And that’s when I began to believe they’re getting serious about this. They wanna go into Iraq.”
Ignorance is bliss, I guess.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: Mush4Brains]
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Nothing ignorant about wanting proof. No-one has given any.
Did he say shit that turned out to not be correct? Sure. That's not a lie.
Did he do so knowingly and with intent to deceive? That is a lie.
Show me the proof.
Now, instead of worrying about what I will and won't believe... show me proof Bush lied.
Or, admit it's your opinion.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Intentionally misleading someone is lying. Saying you have evidence you don't actually have is lying. Saying you have evidence that the actual evidence contradicts is lying.
All of those things happened. Bush's administration lied. You refuse to read anything I have posted, you refuse to believe the countless officials from his administration that say he lied. That is ignorance. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: Mush4Brains]
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Right.
So you have no proof but repeating your claim ad nauseum will somehow help.
Proof will set you free. Got any?
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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The evidence is overwhelming. Read the Senate reports. Whether you believe them or not is inconsequential. You still have not given me any reason to disagree with their findings. You want to talk ad nauseam, simply look at your posts.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: Mush4Brains]
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You made a claim you can't back up.
I've read extensively on this subject. The proof doesn't exist.
Thanks for demonstrating you can't back up your claim.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: Mush4Brains]
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Once again, just because you refuse to believe the evidence, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
"I've read extensively on the subject" doesn't mean shit. Why would I believe your opinion over high ranking administration officials who are on record saying that shit was simply being made up? Why would I believe your opinion over exhaustive Senate reports?
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Statements by the President and the Vice President indicating that Saddam Hussein was prepared to give weapons of mass destruction to terrorist groups for attacks against the United States were contradicted by available intelligence information.
That is a lie. Flat out. The President and his administration lied. Period.
It seems as though the only proof you would accept is hearing the words "I lied" come out of Bush or Cheney's mouth.
I'm done with you on this subject. I'll wait for Zappa to come in and try to twist his way out of all the bullshit he's saying now.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: Mush4Brains] 1
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It would have taken less time had you merely admitted you had no proof at the beginning.
Saying "I've read extensively on the subject" wasn't an attempt to prove anything, but was a response to your stupid statements telling me "You refuse to read anything I have posted, you refuse to believe the countless officials from his administration that say he lied." Have you got anything besides that stupid statement? You know... something like PROOF?
No? Didn't think so.
I don't care much for Bush, but your claims he lied are hollow and moronic.
Now, provide proof or don't, but stop embarrassing yourself.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#18799554 - 09/04/13 02:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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What would you accept as proof?
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Papers, recordings, statements, emails, phone recordings. Anything that would hold up in a court of law.
Not people saying "Bush lied".
You and I both know you can provide no such thing or virtually every media outlet in the world would have ran with it long before now.
So rather than a laughable "Bush lied", perhaps an "I believe Bush lied" would be the way to go.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: Mush4Brains]
#18799615 - 09/04/13 03:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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The administration made public statements that contradicted the intelligence reports that they had. How is that not a lie?
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: Mush4Brains]
#18799628 - 09/04/13 03:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Explaining the Iraq War: Counterfactual Theory, Logic and Evidence by Frank P. Harvey
Winner, 2013 Canadian Political Science Association Prize in International Relations The almost universally accepted explanation for the Iraq war is very clear and consistent - the US decision to attack Saddam Hussein's regime on March 19, 2003 was a product of the ideological agenda, misguided priorities, intentional deceptions and grand strategies of President George W. Bush and prominent 'neoconservatives' and 'unilateralists' on his national security team. Despite the widespread appeal of this version of history, Frank P. Harvey argues that it remains an unsubstantiated assertion and an underdeveloped argument without a logical foundation. His book aims to provide a historically grounded account of the events and strategies which pushed the US-UK coalition towards war. The analysis is based on both factual and counterfactual evidence, combines causal mechanisms derived from multiple levels of analysis and ultimately confirms the role of path dependence and momentum as a much stronger explanation for the sequence of decisions that led to war. Filled with news-making revelations that made it a New York Times bestseller, Hubris takes us behind the scenes at the White House, CIA, Pentagon, State Department, and Congress to show how George W. Bush came to invade Iraq - and how his administration struggled with the devastating fallout.
----------- Hubris: The Inside Story of Spin, Scandal, and the Selling of the Iraq War Michael Isikoff, David Corn
Hubris connects the dots between Bush's expletive-laden outbursts at Saddam Hussein, the bitter battles between the CIA and the White House, the fights within the intelligence community over Saddam's supposed weapons of mass destruction, the outing of an undercover CIA officer, and the Bush administration's misleading sales campaign for war. Written by veteran reporters Michael Isikoff and David Corn, this is an inside look at how a president took the nation to war using faulty and fraudulent intelligence. It's a dramatic page-turner and an intriguing account of conspiracy, backstabbing, bureaucratic ineptitude, journalistic malfeasance, and arrogance.
-------------- THIS ONE WAS WRITTEN BEFORE THE WAR
War on Iraq: What Team Bush Doesn't Want You To Know by William Rivers Pitt, Scott Ritter
War on Iraq offers a balanced, non-partisan examination of the current debate in Washington and beyond. In this shocking expose on the impending offensive against Iraq, activist, author, and teacher William Rivers Pitt sits down with former U.N. weapons inspector Scott Ritter to expose the truth behind the hawkish rhetoric of the Bush administration. Ritter--ex-Marine, intelligence specialist, expert on Iraqi military strategy, and Gulf War veteran--dismantles the myths surrounding Saddam Hussein's biological, chemical and nuclear weapons capabilities while revealing the neo-conservative forces pushing the White House toward war. During the seven years the inspections took place, Ritter and other inspectors were able to confirm that Iraq's chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons programs were effectively destroyed, counter to current White House claims. Pitt and Ritter also explain the lack of any plausible link between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda, and highlight the absurdity of forcing democracy on a nation that has been divided for centuries. The book closes with a stark forecast for American troops if a ground war ensues and urges the White House to seek a diplomatic solution. A complete listing of contact information for U.S. senators as well as outreach and activist resources is included.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: Lion]
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zappaisgod said: There most certainly is a centuries old struggle between the priest class and the political secular class.. She is right and you are a kneejerk hater
I don't know how much less relevant anything could be to your original statement that there is a centuries-old conflict in the Middle East between "secular dictators" and "Islamist dictators", or to anything that Sarah Palin has ever said. Sarah Palin was making a comment about Syria specifically, not about the ages-old ideological struggles between clerics and philosophers/politicians in Islamic states. How you can impute that level of historical insight into her straightforward misrepresentation of a modern conflict is beyond me.
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zappaisgod said: She is spot on. You are not.
So you agree with her assessment that the conflict in Syria is a centuries-old internal struggle between radical violent Islamists and a murderous dictatorial regime?[/quote}Yes
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So sez you without one shred of evidence
The Free Syrian Army has 80,000 fighters. Do you think there are any terrorist organizations out there that have 80,000 fighters?
Yes
So for the record, when you are saying "Yes", you are also saying yes to the first question, indicating you believe that the present conflict in Syria is a "centuries-old internal struggle between violent radical Islamists and a murderous dictatorial regime..." All right.
Yes, the Taliban for one.Quote:
Now would you care to provide some statistics supporting the idea that Jabhat al-Nusra, or any radical Islamist group or combination of several groups with a substantial presence in Syria, has more than 80,000 fighters? Even Hezbollah, one of the largest and most well-funded terrorist organizations in the Middle East, has at best 5,000-10,000 fighters at its disposal.
I don't know where you get your numbers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Syrian_Army
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: zappaisgod]
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Yeah, that quote is from 2012. Why don't you find some newer stats? Like from the article I posted? Why do you keep ignoring me?
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: Mush4Brains]
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You mean this one, which has over a hundred thousand Islamic nutjobs.
The Syrian Islamic Front 25,000
The Syrian Islamic Liberation Front 35,000 to 40,000
al Nusra 5,000
Farouq battalions 14,000
Islamic Ahrar al-Sham Movement 10,000
Syria Martyrs’ Brigades High thousands? Even 10,000
Islam Brigade claims to have 64 sub-battalions, but it refuses to give an estimated number of fighters.
Suqour al-Sham Brigades Several thousand, possibly climbing towards 10,000
It looks to me like the nutcases are outnumbering the not so nutcases
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: Mush4Brains]
#18799791 - 09/04/13 03:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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They had many reports. Some accurate some not.
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Mush4Brains said: The administration made public statements that contradicted the intelligence reports that they had. How is that not a lie?
There were quite a few reports from many sources. Some back up the claims, some do not.
Can you prove (not suspect or believe) that Bush lied?
No? Didn't think so.
I don't know if he did or didn't. Neither do you.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: zappaisgod]
#18799801 - 09/04/13 03:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: You mean this one, which has over a hundred thousand Islamic nutjobs.
The Syrian Islamic Front 25,000
The Syrian Islamic Liberation Front 35,000 to 40,000
al Nusra 5,000
Farouq battalions 14,000
Islamic Ahrar al-Sham Movement 10,000
Syria Martyrs’ Brigades High thousands? Even 10,000
Islam Brigade claims to have 64 sub-battalions, but it refuses to give an estimated number of fighters.
Suqour al-Sham Brigades Several thousand, possibly climbing towards 10,000
It looks to me like the nutcases are outnumbering the not so nutcases
Islamic != al-Qaeda/al-Nursa. You said "al-Nursa and pals," now here you are changing your position.
LDS, I'm done with you. You're talking in circles here.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: Mush4Brains]
#18799814 - 09/04/13 03:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said: LDS, I'm done with you. You're talking in circles here.
You could just admit there is no proof. Why is it I suspect you won't?
There are no circles. Maintaining the same stance is not "talking in circles".
You walking away without backing up your claims is rather pathetic.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#18799825 - 09/04/13 03:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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My "claims" have plenty of evidence to support them. Your claims rely on faith in GWB and his henchmen, who were calling for a regime change in Iraq for a decade plus.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: Mush4Brains]
#18799834 - 09/04/13 04:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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So provide the proof.
Were you able to, I think you'd have done so.
Besides, I've made no claims other than the one where I point out you can't back your shit talk up.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: Mush4Brains]
#18799887 - 09/04/13 04:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: You mean this one, which has over a hundred thousand Islamic nutjobs.
The Syrian Islamic Front 25,000
The Syrian Islamic Liberation Front 35,000 to 40,000
al Nusra 5,000
Farouq battalions 14,000
Islamic Ahrar al-Sham Movement 10,000
Syria Martyrs’ Brigades High thousands? Even 10,000
Islam Brigade claims to have 64 sub-battalions, but it refuses to give an estimated number of fighters.
Suqour al-Sham Brigades Several thousand, possibly climbing towards 10,000
It looks to me like the nutcases are outnumbering the not so nutcases
Islamic != al-Qaeda/al-Nursa. You said "al-Nursa and pals," now here you are changing your position.
LDS, I'm done with you. You're talking in circles here.
Yeah. And "pals". By "pals" I mean other Islamic nutjobs, which seem to outnumber the non-nutjobs according to your link. Who did you think I meant? People who go to high school reunions with them?
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: Mush4Brains]
#18799888 - 09/04/13 04:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said: My "claims" have plenty of evidence to support them. Your claims rely on faith in GWB and his henchmen, who were calling for a regime change in Iraq for a decade plus.
So Bill Clinton is a Bush henchman?
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#18799897 - 09/04/13 04:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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You've got nothing except for saying "you're wrong." It's pathetic. I have Senate reports, statements from high ranking administration officials, international intelligence. You have nothing except denial.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: Mush4Brains]
#18799912 - 09/04/13 04:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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What I have to say is not "you're wrong". It's "you can't back up your claim".
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: Mush4Brains]
#18799937 - 09/04/13 04:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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You have nothing. Prove the Senate reports wrong. Prove the administration officials wrong. Prove that the dodgy dossier is wrong. I've got evidence. You have nothing besides "believe me," "believe GWB," "believe Cheney."
You can't. You're wrong.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: Mush4Brains]
#18799970 - 09/04/13 04:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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As I said, my only claim is you can't prove Bush lied.
I'll ask again... got proof? Let's see your smoking gun.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: Mush4Brains]
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You can't. You're wrong.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: Mush4Brains]
#18800067 - 09/04/13 04:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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just quickreply for convenience.
Man, I think the salafists are starting to really gain the upperhand in Syria, im frightful, I saw numerous statements just release by Jabhat Al Nusra, their formal merger with ISIL is scary. We need to fucking marginalize these people or we are going to be in a nasty situation.
A Alawite elderly preacher known for fiery sermons against Sunni salafist aggressors was recently executed in "tit" for "tat" retaliatory strikes. Im afraid Nusra, and Ahrar Al Sham are in this more to carve out a fiefdom for themselves and religious inclusion is not something they will respect. Goddammit im so sick of this obstructionism, we need to absolutely throw our weight behind the moderates. If we don't, then we may see a Islamic state in the north and west of Syria, bordering on Kurdish regions that are near being under complete PYD support. 450 Kurds were recently gunned down last month on clashes between Al Nusra and Kurdish PYD, further fragmentation has also split the FSA down the middle, both forming their own respective military councils. I grow very very fearful, and the foot dragging by congress is going to exacerbate the problem.
Funny the only time limited strikes and covert operations could really influence events in Syria, then people start raising the spectres of past military aggression that ended in failure (funny I was mocked years ago when I criticized the surge for being nothing but a temporary Band-Aid and that the real reason for progress was the Awakening Councils who were growing sick of expanding foreign influence under Al Qaeda, that Al Qaeda would only bide its time, be good little boys, after all military maxim states to never attack an enemy at his strongest.)
While the US and the world community twiddles its fucking thumbs, Islamic hardliners are being more seen as committed to liberation of Syria from Assad, but the FSA military council I guarantee is the strongest check. WE CAN NOT ALLOW ISIL (Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant) to dominate their respective fiefdoms, they need to be absolutely marginalized, a fullscale weapons supplying campaign will empower the FSA,who unlike the ISIL will respect other religons (maybe as long as they pay the Jizya)They need ATGMs and Man portable surface to air rockets. Also, we need to develop the FSA, away from being a umbrella organization for thousands of groups and into a more cohesive group.
The Lebanese civil war is a great historical showcase of how Syrian government runs its foreign policy. A good history lesson in IMO (though who ive disagreed many times with) Is a book by Thomas Friedman called From Beirut to Jerusalem. It has been criticized but I think it does accurately portray that war, and how Syria used Hizb-Allah to advance Syrian and Iranian interests in a vulnerable area of Israel. A definite good read for those trying to understand the historical factors of Syria being a serious powderkeg.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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luvdemshrooms said: As I said, my only claim is you can't prove Bush lied.
I'll ask again... got proof? Let's see your smoking gun.
READ ANY ONE OF THE THREE (3) BOOKS. THERE'S YOUR PROOF.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: sweeper54] 1
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So if I wrote a book... that would be proof?
Cool. I'll get right on it.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Mush4Brains said: You have nothing. Prove the Senate reports wrong. Prove the administration officials wrong. Prove that the dodgy dossier is wrong. I've got evidence. You have nothing besides "believe me," "believe GWB," "believe Cheney."
You can't. You're wrong.
Please provide a link from the Senate Reports. Thanks in advance.
I've already given the link to the Senate reports. You should go read them and stop being an ignorant, old, piece of nothing.Quote:
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Cool. I'll get right on it.
Your book wouldn't convince anybody but idiots like Sarah Palin and Zappa.
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Are you always such an angry individual? Or are you just having a bad day?
Perhaps that's why you won't provide proof.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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I'm not angry. You're just mad that your bullshit doesn't pass the smell test.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: Mush4Brains]
#18800268 - 09/04/13 05:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Right.
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Mush4Brains said: You have nothing. Prove the Senate reports wrong. Prove the administration officials wrong. Prove that the dodgy dossier is wrong. I've got evidence. You have nothing besides "believe me," "believe GWB," "believe Cheney."
You can't. You're wrong.
Please provide a link from the Senate Reports. Thanks in advance.
I've already given the link to the Senate reports. You should go read them and stop being an ignorant, old, piece of nothing.
No, you did not. You linked to articles from people like Rawstory paraphrasing them. I sincerely doubt you read it.
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Cool. I'll get right on it.
Your book wouldn't convince anybody but idiots like Sarah Palin and Zappa.
I see a lot of idiots here but Sarah Plain isn't one of them. Your user name says it all.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: zappaisgod]
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Yeah, you have nothing (both LDS & ZIG). Peace.
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Right. All my links are nothing. Even your link proves you wrong. That's what happens when you don't read them.
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You made a claim.
You were asked to back it up.
You can't, or won't.
Yet we have nothing.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: zappaisgod]
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You haven't posted any links, you old, old POS.
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You made a claim.
You were asked to back it up.
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Yet we have nothing.

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Sweet.
No evidence and attempts at insults.
Good for you.
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You haven't posted any links, you old, old POS.
I have 5 posts in this thread with 5 different links. How drunk are you?
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: zappaisgod]
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I am hammered. Where are your links Zappa? Where are your links to prove the obvious wrong, LDS?
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Try reading the thread. Pay particular attention to my posts.
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zappaisgod said: Right. All my links are nothing. Even your link proves you wrong. That's what happens when you don't read them.
You haven't posted any links, you old, old POS.
I have 5 posts in this thread with 5 different links. How drunk are you?
Your links ... The original link for the thread, one to CS Monitor that claims Sarah Palin isn't an idiot. The original link again, One to Wikipedia about Islam, one to Wikipedia about the FSA (which you selectively quoted to try and prove your lies) One to the same article I linked to. None of these links actually help your case though.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: zappaisgod]
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sweeper54 said: lil'bush LIED to the congress, LIED to the UN and LIED to the world.
So you can show us proof that he lied?
Or are you stating as fact that which is clearly opinion?
o·pin·ion əˈpinyən/ noun noun: opinion; plural noun: opinions
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You can find the reports here
Here's just a few of the lies:
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-- Statements and implications by the President and Secretary of State suggesting that Iraq and al-Qa'ida had a partnership, or that Iraq had provided al-Qa'ida with weapons training, were not substantiated by the intelligence.
-- Statements by the President and the Vice President indicating that Saddam Hussein was prepared to give weapons of mass destruction to terrorist groups for attacks against the United States were contradicted by available intelligence information.
-- Statements by President Bush and Vice President Cheney regarding the postwar situation in Iraq, in terms of the political, security, and economic, did not reflect the concerns and uncertainties expressed in the intelligence products.
-- Statements by the President and Vice President prior to the October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate regarding Iraq's chemical weapons production capability and activities did not reflect the intelligence community's uncertainties as to whether such production was ongoing.
-- The Secretary of Defense's statement that the Iraqi government operated underground WMD facilities that were not vulnerable to conventional airstrikes because they were underground and deeply buried was not substantiated by available intelligence information.
-- The Intelligence Community did not confirm that Muhammad Atta met an Iraqi intelligence officer in Prague in 2001 as the Vice President repeatedly claimed.
This is so easily verifiable, why not just admit it?
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: Mush4Brains]
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That's pretty clear. Based on the PM you sent it's pretty clear you're an angry drunk.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Seems to be a lot of that going around these days.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: Icelander]
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Too much. It's a shame people lose control over themselves.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Kids mostly. Just learning about life and believing they got it down.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: Icelander]
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Wait until they realize that much of what they know and think is wrong.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: luvdemshrooms] 1
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Like that Sarah Palin said she could see Russia from her house. It's sad that they get their world news from comedians and entertainment figures but it just goes to illustrate the vapidity of most young people. There are honest youngsters like the guy who started the I don't give a fuck thread, which is fine, but then there are the ignoramuses who are uninformed and don't know it and continue to babble complete bullshit.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: zappaisgod]
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Like that Sarah Palin said she could see Russia from her house. It's sad that they get their world news from comedians and entertainment figures but it just goes to illustrate the vapidity of most young people.
It is sad, but "they saw it on the internet so it must be true".
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There are honest youngsters like the guy who started the I don't give a fuck thread, which is fine,
Admirable, but rare.
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but then there are the ignoramuses who are uninformed and don't know it and continue to babble complete bullshit.
Pathetic, but all too common.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: Mush4Brains]
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Mush4Brains said: You have nothing. Prove the Senate reports wrong. Prove the administration officials wrong. Prove that the dodgy dossier is wrong. I've got evidence. You have nothing besides "believe me," "believe GWB," "believe Cheney."
You can't. You're wrong.
Please provide a link from the Senate Reports. Thanks in advance.
I've already given the link to the Senate reports. You should go read them and stop being an ignorant, old, piece of nothing.Quote:
luvdemshrooms said: So if I wrote a book... that would be proof?
Cool. I'll get right on it.
Your book wouldn't convince anybody but idiots like Sarah Palin and Zappa.
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You haven't posted any links, you old, old POS.
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Mush4Brains said: Yeah, you have nothing (both LDS & ZIG). Peace.
You made a claim.
You were asked to back it up.
You can't, or won't.
Yet we have nothing.

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Mush4Brains said: I've already posted a quality article that calls him on his bullshit, and he ignored it. I bet he comes in here and tries to spin your words, insults your intelligence, and possibly call you names.
Don't count on any intelligent conversation, just remember, he started this thread with the title "Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius."
Personal attacks: the foundation of any good argument. Keep it up, you'll go far here.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: setb]
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It's kind of funny but the link you cite from him supports my position. We are clearly not dealing with a Mensa member here.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: zappaisgod]
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Speaking of vapid, Sarah Palin sayin 'Let Allah sort them out' That's about as vapid as you get, and a very very callous thing to say. That's nice she isn't troubled by the death and destruction that happen away from her little reality tv show bubble. I sure am glad she isnt in any part of government, yea she makes a great reality tv star and a pundit who riles up her own base. She serves nothing to discourse except making politics more and more polarized and uncouth. I think this former beauty queen and her rabid anti-intellectualism is to bizarre for even herself to believe. Unfortunately we have people like this on both political parties.
For example, I don't think Obama is a Kenyan muslim socialist out to destroy the USA like a lot of xenophobic jingoists and morons believe. However, I do disagree with the president on his expansion of executive power, some of his foreign policy moves, some of his domestic agenda. I think as a progressive he has stabbed any progressive thinker in the back. He reminds me more of a cross between GWB and Bill Clinton. Except lacking the political acumen of GWB,and lacking the foreign and fiscal strengths of Bill Clinton.
Lets acknowledge the absolute need for more inclusion of "third party" choices, the last truly viable third party has to itleast go back to the Whigs, but this democracy needs more choice. We have to pick between two political parties that more or less, think, do and operate at almost the same exact wave length, otherwise we will have a very dichotomous situation in this country where politics and its discourse will become more reactionary and divisive.
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There is nothing anti-intellectual about Sarah Palin and she is completely right that there are no good guys in this fight. I don't want to be al Qaeda's airforce. I would take her over Obama any day. I would take a severed foot over Obama.Quote:
For example, I don't think Obama is a Kenyan muslim socialist out to destroy the USA like a lot of xenophobic jingoists and morons believe.
I don't think he is a Kenyan Muslim either but I do think that his policies are extremely deleterious to American and utterly antithetical to its founding vision and cause of glory.Quote:
However, I do disagree with the president on his expansion of executive power, some of his foreign policy moves, some of his domestic agenda. I think as a progressive he has stabbed any progressive thinker in the back. He reminds me more of a cross between GWB and Bill Clinton. Except lacking the political acumen of GWB,and lacking the foreign and fiscal strengths of Bill Clinton.
The only strength Obama has is weasel polishing. He is a serial job applicant who sucks at every job once he gets it.Quote:
Lets acknowledge the absolute need for more inclusion of "third party" choices, the last truly viable third party has to itleast go back to the Whigs, but this democracy needs more choice. We have to pick between two political parties that more or less, think, do and operate at almost the same exact wave length, otherwise we will have a very dichotomous situation in this country where politics and its discourse will become more reactionary and divisive.
Bull Moose was the last viable third party and the Whigs were not, I believe, a third party. I think the third party then was the Dems.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: zappaisgod]
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There is nothing anti-intellectual about Sarah Palin
Look I don't know the woman personally, she could read Dostoevsky in her spare time, or is a fan of the writings of Spengler,or a Mensa member. Her very being exudes campiness, even fellow republicans don't take her seriously, sure they appreciate her ability to raise money, but she has also supported candidates who run against their own establishment incumbents.
Now, I don't necessarily think that limited air-strikes or effects based operations is the solution in Syria, im not sure what the solution is, but if you are afraid of being "Al Qaeda's airforce" then you should equally realize that I don't want to protect scumbags like Hizb Allah, who last I checked rammed a explosives laden truck into our Embassy in Beirut, and weeks later then slammed another explosives laden truck into the Marine Barracks resulting in one of the largest losses of life of marines in one day since WWII. Then these Syrian Cocksuckers have the gall to hack our Marines' website exhorting this very same message, Not to be an "Airforce for Al Qaeda and actually exhorting our troops to fight with their army against "Al Qaeda" Even though this regime poured money into sunni and baathist rebels in Iraq whose weapons killed and maimed thousands of our soldiers and marines.
The second and third things we agree on, im not that rabid in my dislike for Obama, a typical lying politician, they are a dime a' dozen, especially coming from Illinois politics which is a synonym for political corruption. Obama like I said has stabbed progressives in the back so hard, that even pro-liberal blogs like CrooksandLiars.com are calling for his head.
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Bull Moose was the last viable third party and the Whigs were not, I believe, a third party. I think the third party then was the Dems.
LOL, I was actually going to say this, but I wasn't sure if the Bull Moose party actually landed Roosevelt the presidency, although I know it was a very popular political party at its peak. The whigs were certainly a third party, they did elect two presidents. William Henry Harrison and Millard Fillmore.
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Look I don't know the woman personally, she could read Dostoevsky in her spare time, or is a fan of the writings of Spengler,or a Mensa member. Her very being exudes campiness, even fellow republicans don't take her seriously, sure they appreciate her ability to raise money, but she has also supported candidates who run against their own establishment incumbents.[/qupote]
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Now, I don't necessarily think that limited air-strikes or effects based operations is the solution in Syria, im not sure what the solution is, but if you are afraid of being "Al Qaeda's airforce" then you should equally realize that I don't want to protect scumbags like Hizb Allah, who last I checked rammed a explosives laden truck into our Embassy in Beirut, and weeks later then slammed another explosives laden truck into the Marine Barracks resulting in one of the largest losses of life of marines in one day since WWII. Then these Syrian Cocksuckers have the gall to hack our Marines' website exhorting this very same message, Not to be an "Airforce for Al Qaeda and actually exhorting our troops to fight with their army against "Al Qaeda" Even though this regime poured money into sunni and baathist rebels in Iraq whose weapons killed and maimed thousands of our soldiers and marines.
There is no reason to get involved at all. None. They are both sides scum. I wouldn't piss on any of them if they were on fire.Quote:
The second and third things we agree on, im not that rabid in my dislike for Obama, a typical lying politician, they are a dime a' dozen, especially coming from Illinois politics which is a synonym for political corruption. Obama like I said has stabbed progressives in the back so hard, that even pro-liberal blogs like CrooksandLiars.com are calling for his head.
You got your ruinous healthcare and he's moving to gun control and government paying for tuition. Progressives have no beef and if they complain they just expose themselves as the whiny brats I always knew they were.Quote:
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Bull Moose was the last viable third party and the Whigs were not, I believe, a third party. I think the third party then was the Dems.
LOL, I was actually going to say this, but I wasn't sure if the Bull Moose party actually landed Roosevelt the presidency, although I know it was a very popular political party at its peak. The whigs were certainly a third party, they did elect two presidents. William Henry Harrison and Millard Fillmore.
He did not win as Bull Moose but he made a credible showing. I believe the Whigs predated the Democrats so that is why I said the Dems were the third party at the time.
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Speaking of vapid, Sarah Palin sayin 'Let Allah sort them out'
She may not be a part of the government but I sure wish someone involved has this attitude. Tell me: who's side should we take? The brutal dictator or Al-Quida?
I have an idea, since you seem like such a rabid hawk bent on starting WW3: you pick up a rifle and you fight.
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Speaking of vapid, Sarah Palin sayin 'Let Allah sort them out'
She may not be a part of the government but I sure wish someone involved has this attitude. Tell me: who's side should we take? The brutal dictator or Al-Quida?
I have an idea, since you seem like such a rabid hawk bent on starting WW3: you pick up a rifle and you fight.
Because your exaggerations of Al Qaeda and their all encompassing strength and power are ludicrous. Al Qaeda is completely decentralized, Zawihiri couldn't even prevent a merger between his own organizations he is supposed to be head of. Their has been even increasing fights between Al Nusra and Al Qaeda in Iraq leadership on how command should be delegated.
I don't see how i'm a hawk for debating in a thread about Syria, because you disagree with me. I don't even advocate military action or strikes. I only thing we should arm the FSA and its more moderate elements who have absolutely nothing in common with Al Qaeda or Jabhat al Nusra.
I Have no intention of flying to Turkey, sneaking into Syria a war that isn't my own, that's why I believe we should give the moderate forms of FSA weapons, because my biggest fear is once Assad starts losing more and more of his territory, more and more chemical weapons WILL fall into the hands of maybe not so nice fellas. Remember this war started over people wanting to oust a dictator and have more say in their government, it was a wholly secular uprising, but jackoff jihadi's have to steal other folks' thunder for their own PR
But not im definitely not going to do what this guy did. 45
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It seems you are making a stronger case for supporting Assad.
I believe, as Putin does, that Kerry is lying about the makeup of the rebels in order to appease his foot in the mouth boss's ego. They are at least half jihadist nutcases and they are better organized than whatever passes for a moderate in nutcakeland.
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: It seems you are making a stronger case for supporting Assad.
I believe, as Putin does, that Kerry is lying about the makeup of the rebels in order to appease his foot in the mouth boss's ego. They are at least half jihadist nutcases and they are better organized than whatever passes for a moderate in nutcakeland.
So you would rather have Hizb Allah and Iran on Israel's doorstep, Assad has his fingers in many pies, whatever his situation it wont change facts on the ground. the conflict in Ireland had their loyalists, their radicals and their moderates, that's how peace comes about. People in Syria who are from Syria do not want a perpetual jihad, remember the reason Assad was protested against was because of a stagnant economy and the fact he represses any other opposition or democratic check on his power.
Either way, Syria, and Assad will fall, eventually in a very protracted war, or if not a civil war that's going to last for a long long time and will inevitably draw in other countries and escalate further shiia sunni conflict.
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We just cant let radical salafist jerk offs who give one shit about Syria, or the Syrian state, once Assad falls, which I think is inevitable, almost all of Syria is Sunni. Get their hands on any type of chemical weapons which im sure Assad has some laying around, ive heard even Syrian chemical weapons were tested on Darfurian rebels by Sudan several years ago, so we know they have stockpiles.
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zappaisgod said: It seems you are making a stronger case for supporting Assad.
I believe, as Putin does, that Kerry is lying about the makeup of the rebels in order to appease his foot in the mouth boss's ego. They are at least half jihadist nutcases and they are better organized than whatever passes for a moderate in nutcakeland.
So you would rather have Hizb Allah and Iran on Israel's doorstep, Assad has his fingers in many pies, whatever his situation it wont change facts on the ground. the conflict in Ireland had their loyalists, their radicals and their moderates, that's how peace comes about. People in Syria who are from Syria do not want a perpetual jihad, remember the reason Assad was protested against was because of a stagnant economy and the fact he represses any other opposition or democratic check on his power.
Either way, Syria, and Assad will fall, eventually in a very protracted war, or if not a civil war that's going to last for a long long time and will inevitably draw in other countries and escalate further shiia sunni conflict.
Assad is an Iranian puppet. Nothing Obama is proposing will do anything to end the war. In the entire world there seems to be exactly one other country that supports this, France. I see no reason why it is inevitable that other countries will be drawn in, whatever you mean by that. If it means Muslim lunatics killing other Muslim lunatics then I support it
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Re: Sarah Palin, foreign policy genius [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: It seems you are making a stronger case for supporting Assad.
I believe, as Putin does, that Kerry is lying about the makeup of the rebels in order to appease his foot in the mouth boss's ego. They are at least half jihadist nutcases and they are better organized than whatever passes for a moderate in nutcakeland.
So you would rather have Hizb Allah and Iran on Israel's doorstep, Assad has his fingers in many pies, whatever his situation it wont change facts on the ground. the conflict in Ireland had their loyalists, their radicals and their moderates, that's how peace comes about. People in Syria who are from Syria do not want a perpetual jihad, remember the reason Assad was protested against was because of a stagnant economy and the fact he represses any other opposition or democratic check on his power.
Either way, Syria, and Assad will fall, eventually in a very protracted war, or if not a civil war that's going to last for a long long time and will inevitably draw in other countries and escalate further shiia sunni conflict.
Assad is an Iranian puppet. Nothing Obama is proposing will do anything to end the war. In the entire world there seems to be exactly one other country that supports this, France. I see no reason why it is inevitable that other countries will be drawn in, whatever you mean by that. If it means Muslim lunatics killing other Muslim lunatics then I support it
No, I don't think anything Obama is proposing will end the war at all,I think its funny he raised the spectre of chemical weapons in a civil war that's been raging for 2 years already. I think he is trying to distract from scandals in his administration. When I say it is inevitable that countries will be drawn into the conflict, what I mean is a escalation of hostilities between Sunni and Shia will culminate outside its borders, Iraq has been utterly destabilized by the war in Syria, ISIL has been wreacking havoc with sectarian attacks, they absolutely want a sectarian conflict, its in their agenda. Most Sunni' in Iraq are willing to live side by side with Shiite's as in lots of other countries. In Lebanon TIT for TAT killings and bombings are occurring with alarming frequency. You may not seem to care but if the whole mid-east goes up in flames through sectarian violence, It might affect the price at the pump and a number of other goods and services requiring gasoline and oil.
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