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Opiates/painkillers and Shrooms
    #18784754 - 09/01/13 10:46 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Hi

To begin, I am sorry if this is the wrong place, but it is my first time posting and an urgent question:

SWIMs girlfriend wants to try shrooms (liberty caps) in the upcoming season, but she has never done them before. She also has pains in her stomach (On route to getting it sorted though), and has to take a list of medication:

Tramadol
Buprenorphine
Busacpan
Spasmanol
Paracetamol
Aspirin
Diclifenic

They take, she says, 48 hours to leave her system and would take beforehand everything except for buprenorphine. I would like to know how safe is it to take shrooms with opiates and painkillers.

It'd be great for SWIM to try them with her, but SWIM want to make sure she is safe.

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Re: Opiates/painkillers and Shrooms [Re: Joeydreads]
    #18784767 - 09/01/13 10:50 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

We don't use swim on here also I would advise against tripping while taking painkillers.


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Re: Opiates/painkillers and Shrooms [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #18784800 - 09/01/13 10:57 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

It's safe, and probably a pretty good combo.  I've done opiates and acid a few times and it was amazing, and always thought they'd make shrooms even better.  I've done acid and buprenorphine and that was AMAZING.  I was also on .4 of MDMA, but that bupe really added a nice, mellowing sensation to the trip.

I say go for it.


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Re: Opiates/painkillers and Shrooms [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #18784816 - 09/01/13 10:59 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I see no reason why she shouldn't trip while on PK's ?

Worst case scenario, they (opiates)make the trip milder IME, kinda like benzos :shrug:


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Re: Opiates/painkillers and Shrooms [Re: sanchothestoner]
    #18784829 - 09/01/13 11:02 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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It's safe, and probably a pretty good combo.  I've done opiates and acid a few times and it was amazing, and always thought they'd make shrooms even better.  I've done acid and buprenorphine and that was AMAZING.  I was also on .4 of MDMA, but that bupe really added a nice, mellowing sensation to the trip.

I say go for it.



Taking bupe, when starting to come down or tripping balls  on acid..

One of the best combos ever :awepreciation:


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Re: Opiates/painkillers and Shrooms [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #18784839 - 09/01/13 11:05 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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We don't use swim on here also I would advise against tripping while taking painkillers.




What makes you advise this? Opiates and psychedelics are incredibly synergistic.


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Re: Opiates/painkillers and Shrooms [Re: snoot]
    #18784844 - 09/01/13 11:06 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Gilgamesh18 said:
We don't use swim on here also I would advise against tripping while taking painkillers.




What makes you advise this? Opiates and psychedelics are incredibly synergistic.



For me I like to keep things pure and simple I don't candyflip or do any ridicolous drug combos.


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Re: Opiates/painkillers and Shrooms [Re: Gilgamesh18] * 1
    #18784853 - 09/01/13 11:09 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

So rather than advice, it's an opinion? :shrug:


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Re: Opiates/painkillers and Shrooms [Re: rulesq]
    #18784879 - 09/01/13 11:17 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You can give an opinion as advice :shrug:


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Re: Opiates/painkillers and Shrooms [Re: rulesq]
    #18784880 - 09/01/13 11:18 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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rulesq said:
So rather than advice, it's an opinion? :shrug:



Advice is opnions. its up to the op to do his own due dilgence anyways on whatever substances he or his friends want to take.


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Re: Opiates/painkillers and Shrooms [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #18784888 - 09/01/13 11:21 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:nodofunderstanding:


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Re: Opiates/painkillers and Shrooms [Re: rulesq]
    #18784894 - 09/01/13 11:22 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Well I would advise trying it on for size. Drugs can be incredibly synergistic like coffee and cannabis.


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Re: Opiates/painkillers and Shrooms [Re: snoot]
    #18784913 - 09/01/13 11:26 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I enjoy the psychedelic/opiate combo.  I did methadone and acid once and it was great.


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Re: Opiates/painkillers and Shrooms [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #18784916 - 09/01/13 11:27 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Gilgamesh18 said:
We don't use swim on here also I would advise against tripping while taking painkillers.







Some people do use SWIM here. You do your thing and don't tell other people how to post. You gonna tell people what drugs they should and shouldn't be allowed to use, next? Oh wait....



On that note, plenty of people have taken opiates with psychedelics. I've taken heroin with LSD on more than one occasion. Personally, I don't advise it, either, and I feel it takes away from the experience-- makes it less clear, and more cloudy. Though some have said they've enjoyed the combo.


I would NOT take opiates with a psychedelic other than LSD, or maybe mushrooms. And if it's LSD, be damn sure it's real LSD. In other words, i would feel it risky to take opiates (especially heavy ones like buprenorphine) with a drug like 25i-NBOMe. We don't understand enough about their safety, or why so many people seem to have had medical complications / death from them. I'd suspect some of the other amphetamine / phenethylamine derivatives might be a little riskier with opiates.



Oh, I've also taken buprenorphine with mushrooms, and with morning glories / HBWR seeds.




If you or she is uncomfortable, try taking a lower dose than normal of either the opiates, the mushrooms, or both. Besides-- once the mushrooms kick in, I doubt she'll be craving the opiates much. My point is, though, if either one of you, or both, are afraid of this combo, it could mess with your mindset, which could affect the trip.



That being said-- that sounded like on hell of a list of drugs for stomach problems. Not sure what kind of problems those are, but I hope she's not over-medicated.


Good luck, OP. And tell SWIM I said hi.


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Re: Opiates/painkillers and Shrooms [Re: CidneyIndole]
    #18784949 - 09/01/13 11:33 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Gilgamesh18 said:
We don't use swim on here also I would advise against tripping while taking painkillers.







Some people do use SWIM here. You do your thing and don't tell other people how to post. You gonna tell people what drugs they should and shouldn't be allowed to use, next? Oh wait....



On that note, plenty of people have taken opiates with psychedelics. I've taken heroin with LSD on more than one occasion. Personally, I don't advise it, either, and I feel it takes away from the experience-- makes it less clear, and more cloudy. Though some have said they've enjoyed the combo.


I would NOT take opiates with a psychedelic other than LSD, or maybe mushrooms. And if it's LSD, be damn sure it's real LSD. In other words, i would feel it risky to take opiates (especially heavy ones like buprenorphine) with a drug like 25i-NBOMe. We don't understand enough about their safety, or why so many people seem to have had medical complications / death from them. I'd suspect some of the other amphetamine / phenethylamine derivatives might be a little riskier with opiates.



Oh, I've also taken buprenorphine with mushrooms, and with morning glories / HBWR seeds.




If you or she is uncomfortable, try taking a lower dose than normal of either the opiates, the mushrooms, or both. Besides-- once the mushrooms kick in, I doubt she'll be craving the opiates much. My point is, though, if either one of you, or both, are afraid of this combo, it could mess with your mindset, which could affect the trip.



That being said-- that sounded like on hell of a list of drugs for stomach problems. Not sure what kind of problems those are, but I hope she's not over-medicated.


Good luck, OP. And tell SWIM I said hi.


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Re: Opiates/painkillers and Shrooms [Re: Joeydreads]
    #18784980 - 09/01/13 11:45 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I wouldn't recommend tripping if she is physically uncomfortable.  After my accident i was heavily opiated and a couple hits of L made all my pain bright as day.  Like the opiates had no effect on me anymore.


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Re: Opiates/painkillers and Shrooms [Re: Joeydreads]
    #18784987 - 09/01/13 11:48 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Girls girls girls...

I've noticed there's a big difference in dosage being on daily painkillers or kratom.. Tramadol works on similar receptors too. I don't trip for shit. I had to take 300g of dried p torch and do three washes to trip well instead of 100g threshold. Shrooms still do it for me but it takes more cubes. Libs I'm sure you won't have a problem dosing. I've definitely noticed I trip a lot harder if I don't have opiates in my system. My pain goes away while tripping anyway since I'm too occupied.

You might find Other Drugs Discussion a more appropriate forum when you can access it. I don't know what requirements are in place now to visit it.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong on the Tramadol thing, but also I do think bupe will dull the trip. I always advise people with questions like these to start small and know their dose. Fuck, even an allergy test and make sure you know what you're doing when you go hunting. You can always trip again.. there's no point risking psychological or physical damage due to a laundry list of meds. I'm on sodium channel blockers and calcium channel blockers (blood pressure, bipolar) and those most certainly affect every trip I take.


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Re: Opiates/painkillers and Shrooms [Re: Joeydreads]
    #18785352 - 09/01/13 01:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I've taken mushrooms while on painkillers a few times.  For me, more than anything else it took the focus off the physical effects.  I've found this desirable as generally I never quite feel comfortable with mushrooms.  It also seemed to make the various mindsets easier to accept.  But in my opinion it's a mild combo.  The opiates do play a part, but it's almost negligible.  I definitely wouldn't use the word 'dull,' it's really not that big of a difference, especially for anyone experienced with opiates.  Their effect is less noticeable for me than smoking some herb mid-trip.

If you're asking if it's dangerous at all, I really don't think so.  Opiates tend to affect dopamine receptors iirc.  Psychs toy with serotonin.


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Re: Opiates/painkillers and Shrooms [Re: Blend]
    #18785514 - 09/01/13 02:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I take bupe everyday...only difference I've found is diminished visuals as a side effect.


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Re: Opiates/painkillers and Shrooms [Re: Adden]
    #18785790 - 09/01/13 03:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Dystopia said:
...Tramadol works on similar receptors too. I don't trip for shit....Someone correct me if I'm wrong on the Tramadol thing, but also I do think bupe will dull the trip....





Yea, I was going to say....tramadol has a broad spectrum of activity, it's not just an opioid agonist.


I'm not all that knowledgeable when it comes to pharmacology...but I have no doubt tramadol will have more of an influence on psychedelics, one way or another, than other painkillers that only act on opioid receptors.


Tramadol is a μ-opioid receptor agonist, serotonin releasing agent, norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor, NMDA receptor antagonist, 5-HT2C receptor antagonist, (α7)5 nicotinic acetylcholine receptor antagonist, TRPV1 receptor agonist, and M1 and M3 muscarinic acetylcholine receptor antagonist.



The few times I've taken opiates while on L, it dulls down the pyshcedelic aspect quite a bit...The combo is amazingly euphoric, but it dulls down the experience too much for my likes, good for the come down though.






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