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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: Yogi1]
    #18783317 - 08/31/13 10:17 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Ego isn't conscious thought. I don't think anything's gonna eat you or you won't be able to work a daily job because you extinguish all false beliefs about yourself.


An ego isn't who you are; it's what you THINK you are. It's what your mind builds up to conform to society, get the hot girl, be the badass, etc.


But, once again, this is semantics. My definition of ego, which for all I know could be wrong, isn't necessarily what you think of yourself or how you differentiate yourself from society. If that was the case, ego loss would result in a pretty bland world. Rather, it's what you THINK you are. Mind-deceit.




Without belifs about yourself can you believe what you see? Or have convictions/beliefs in general?




I don't think so, there isn't anything to have without a you to have it. There are things to use and consider, but they don't make you.

By not conforming to a single perspective you can better consider all perspectives. Like water, awareness can be molded to fit into whatever container it is put into.


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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: Yogi1]
    #18783338 - 08/31/13 10:22 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I enjoy this excerpt and felt like putting it here.

"For the ego exists in an abstract sense alone, being an abstraction from memory, somewhat like the illusory circle of fire made by a whirling torch. We can for example, imagine the path of a bird through the sky as a distinct line which it has taken. But this line is as abstract as a line of latitude. In concrete reality, the bird left no line, and, similarly, the past from which our ego is abstracted has entirely disappeared. Thus any attempt to cling to the ego or to make it an effective source of action is doomed to frustration."  Watts


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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: Icelander]
    #18783362 - 08/31/13 10:30 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I feel as though we are born with an ego, yet it is transparent and we develop defining characteristics of or ego from then-on, through various means(friends, parents, environment, plain ol' growing up). Humankind needs you to have your ego in place to evolve and adapt to the environment. Your ego is your primal drive...it's a muscle that gets flexed. It's the one that keeps you driven to earn a living, asking out that hot chick you're into, standing up for yourself when you feel threatened or taken advantage of, life skills, etc...the reality is, is we(the universe) needs this internal drive to keep us all from stagnating and fucking-up in the big picture of things. (I don't think most people would fare-well with a permanently dissolved ego.)

and here is where the muscle comes into play. Your ego is like a muscle in the sense that in order for it to grow, is for you to not only break down, but repair. Ego loss representing the former, and the integration process representing the latter.

Most people (in the developed world) operate on a weakened(insecure) ego, and constantly trudge around bringing others down around them, doing nothing major to make themselves ultimately happy, complaining, and worst of all, sending negative vibes and energy into the air everywhere they bring their funk. The ego needs to be broken-down every so-often. It needs to be explored, exercised, humiliated, loved, questioned, and realized in order for it to be somewhat repaired and operating at a higher power. To break down the ego is true explore the nature of your true self...true desires and interests, true realizations, and true conflicts within. To transcend the present requires seriously letting go...of all conventional expectations, behavior, and assumptions and getting in touch/going beyond yourself, your surroundings, your feelings and desires/questions. In order for any of this to be "repaired" after being broken down, you need to be able to handle what you've done/experienced and integrate what you now know or where you have been...to be able to harness that power, you need to "repair" that muscle. Be good person as best you can each day. Take care of your body, treat others kindly, but don't be afraid to be yourself and stand up for what you believe in. If you can properly break down your ego and repair it, you'll be more in-touch with life , and you'll be able to "flex" that muscle in a more sophisticated fashion.


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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: teknix]
    #18783363 - 08/31/13 10:31 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Me drunk and me retire, goodnight thy shroomerites, farewell :firecum:


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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: Yogi1]
    #18783369 - 08/31/13 10:32 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: Yogi1]
    #18783408 - 08/31/13 10:42 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Me drunk and me retire, goodnight thy shroomerites, farewell :firecum:




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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: brokentv]
    #18783419 - 08/31/13 10:45 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I enjoy this excerpt and felt like putting it here.

"For the ego exists in an abstract sense alone, being an abstraction from memory, somewhat like the illusory circle of fire made by a whirling torch. We can for example, imagine the path of a bird through the sky as a distinct line which it has taken. But this line is as abstract as a line of latitude. In concrete reality, the bird left no line, and, similarly, the past from which our ego is abstracted has entirely disappeared. Thus any attempt to cling to the ego or to make it an effective source of action is doomed to frustration."  Watts




:thumbup:

I like that, thanks for sharing :smile:


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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: newearthmud1212]
    #18783421 - 08/31/13 10:46 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I feel as though we are born with an ego, yet it is transparent and we develop defining characteristics of or ego from then-on, through various means(friends, parents, environment, plain ol' growing up). Humankind needs you to have your ego in place to evolve and adapt to the environment. Your ego is your primal drive...it's a muscle that gets flexed. It's the one that keeps you driven to earn a living, asking out that hot chick you're into, standing up for yourself when you feel threatened or taken advantage of, life skills, etc...the reality is, is we(the universe) needs this internal drive to keep us all from stagnating and fucking-up in the big picture of things. (I don't think most people would fare-well with a permanently dissolved ego.)






Why do you think that those things are dependent upon an ego?


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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: teknix]
    #18783459 - 08/31/13 11:01 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I'm enjoying the intelligent discussion in this thread. Wasn't expecting, but it's awesome! :thumbup:


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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: ShroomPuncher]
    #18783602 - 08/31/13 11:56 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I have a big ego and it causes big problems. I just recently found mushrooms as a way of combating it. I have found my use of psychedelics very therapeutic, and produced positive results every time. :mushroom2:


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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: teknix]
    #18783686 - 09/01/13 12:23 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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How could you survive under those conditions without culture to protect you?  The first lion would eat you on the spot cause you wouldn't think you were apart from it and run or defend yourself. 




The lion is trying to eat you, not trying to eat yourself. Yourself wouldn't provide any nourishment to the lion.

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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: teknix]
    #18783689 - 09/01/13 12:24 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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You don't understand. To be egoless would mean you are your family. You don't have a job because that's part of the ego. You wouldn't even have a sense of self. You'd just be. You wouldn't even be here. To live here its basically impossible without an ego. Idk a single person who would be.




Well, can you elaborate a bit, because these could mean multiple thing imo.

You "as the idea of yourself" wouldn't be here, but you as an organism would. You as the idea of yourself wouldn't have a job, but there could very well be a job, it just wouldn't be "yours", there could be work and family, they just wouldn't necessarily be considered as "yours".



Everything you said like a job or a family is unique. Idk if I'd even be an organism. I'd only be existing existence and it'd be the same as anyone else because it isn't unique. If I play a role I'm thinking I'm unique. I'm not. I'm nothing and everything because neither concepts exist in the ego state (this world). Without ego I'm everything which is also nothing. Both of which are the same because there is no right or wrong. They're just the same thing due to lack of uniqueness.


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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: teknix]
    #18783728 - 09/01/13 12:33 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I feel as though we are born with an ego, yet it is transparent and we develop defining characteristics of or ego from then-on, through various means(friends, parents, environment, plain ol' growing up). Humankind needs you to have your ego in place to evolve and adapt to the environment. Your ego is your primal drive...it's a muscle that gets flexed. It's the one that keeps you driven to earn a living, asking out that hot chick you're into, standing up for yourself when you feel threatened or taken advantage of, life skills, etc...the reality is, is we(the universe) needs this internal drive to keep us all from stagnating and fucking-up in the big picture of things. (I don't think most people would fare-well with a permanently dissolved ego.)





Well, I don't truly know just yet...but I'm getting closer. I believe the ego keeps you "in the game", and helps keep you from boundless introspection and finding things out about yourself/humankind by creating boundaries and blockades "rationalities" to keep you within society's behavioral-constrains, as well as suppressing your animalistic instincts. Would you not agree?


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