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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: teknix]
    #18783126 - 08/31/13 09:21 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Ego means self identity. What makes you unique from anything else. Your body, your personality, your emotions, your life. Everything you've gained and learned is ALL part of your ego. To lose your ego means you lose everything you've ever gained. Your body, your mind, your thoughts, your name, you. The only thing you don't lose is your ability to experience. Your ability to exist. Basically to be egoless or as close to it as possible means to be pure existence. To just be. It's a very very hard thing to accomplish in life and it's completely impossible to be egoless while walking around because just the simple act of walking makes you focused on your body and the world.


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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: teknix]
    #18783128 - 08/31/13 09:22 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

It's not physical if that's what you mean.


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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: Icelander]
    #18783129 - 08/31/13 09:22 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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First tell me why it's important?




Because I dont know if what I'm experiencing vs what Im doing during my experiences is an action.


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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: Mad Season]
    #18783132 - 08/31/13 09:22 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, it makes you think you're unique, but your not really. It's mostly the idea's that people give to you and call you, rather than you.


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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: Yogi1]
    #18783139 - 08/31/13 09:23 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Well honestly I don't know that either but to me it was easier to explain my post by saying it that way. In the sense that something is going on physical or mental/experiential.


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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: teknix]
    #18783156 - 08/31/13 09:27 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah, it makes you think you're unique, but your not really. It's mostly the idea's that people give to you and call you, rather than you.



I agree. To lose self means you just become all. Everything else has the power to exist. To experience. What makes you so different if you too just exist and experience? It may not be true but it is actually very logical by definition.


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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: Mad Season]
    #18783164 - 08/31/13 09:29 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Ego means self identity. What makes you unique from anything else. Your body, your personality, your emotions, your life. Everything you've gained and learned is ALL part of your ego. To lose your ego means you lose everything you've ever gained. Your body, your mind, your thoughts, your name, you. The only thing you don't lose is your ability to experience. Your ability to exist. Basically to be egoless or as close to it as possible means to be pure existence. To just be. It's a very very hard thing to accomplish in life and it's completely impossible to be egoless while walking around because just the simple act of walking makes you focused on your body and the world.




My question to you would be whether someone could accomplish this said egoless existence and still work a regular job or keep a family etc


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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: Mad Season]
    #18783166 - 08/31/13 09:29 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

How could you survive under those conditions without culture to protect you?  The first lion would eat you on the spot cause you wouldn't think you were apart from it and run or defend yourself. 


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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: Yogi1]
    #18783184 - 08/31/13 09:34 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Ego means self identity. What makes you unique from anything else. Your body, your personality, your emotions, your life. Everything you've gained and learned is ALL part of your ego. To lose your ego means you lose everything you've ever gained. Your body, your mind, your thoughts, your name, you. The only thing you don't lose is your ability to experience. Your ability to exist. Basically to be egoless or as close to it as possible means to be pure existence. To just be. It's a very very hard thing to accomplish in life and it's completely impossible to be egoless while walking around because just the simple act of walking makes you focused on your body and the world.




My question to you would be whether someone could accomplish this said egoless existence and still work a regular job or keep a family etc



You don't understand. To be egoless would mean you are your family. You don't have a job because that's part of the ego. You wouldn't even have a sense of self. You'd just be. You wouldn't even be here. To live here its basically impossible without an ego. Idk a single person who would be.


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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: Mad Season]
    #18783187 - 08/31/13 09:35 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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teknix said:
Yeah, it makes you think you're unique, but your not really. It's mostly the idea's that people give to you and call you, rather than you.



I agree. To lose self means you just become all. Everything else has the power to exist. To experience. What makes you so different if you too just exist and experience? It may not be true but it is actually very logical by definition.




Yeah, you are just another part of nature, rather than independent of it in your mind. Really nothing changes other than breaking free of the fixed perspective you call yourself.

My personal belief is that there is way more after the breaking free of the fixed perspective, such as exploring what is really you with the new found awareness.


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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: Mad Season]
    #18783194 - 08/31/13 09:37 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Yogi1 said:
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Mad Season said:
Ego means self identity. What makes you unique from anything else. Your body, your personality, your emotions, your life. Everything you've gained and learned is ALL part of your ego. To lose your ego means you lose everything you've ever gained. Your body, your mind, your thoughts, your name, you. The only thing you don't lose is your ability to experience. Your ability to exist. Basically to be egoless or as close to it as possible means to be pure existence. To just be. It's a very very hard thing to accomplish in life and it's completely impossible to be egoless while walking around because just the simple act of walking makes you focused on your body and the world.




My question to you would be whether someone could accomplish this said egoless existence and still work a regular job or keep a family etc



You don't understand. To be egoless would mean you are your family. You don't have a job because that's part of the ego. You wouldn't even have a sense of self. You'd just be. You wouldn't even be here. To live here its basically impossible without an ego. Idk a single person who would be.




This is definitely what I'm thinking. I'm glad we can relate.


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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: teknix]
    #18783199 - 08/31/13 09:40 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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teknix said:
Quote:

Mad Season said:
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teknix said:
Yeah, it makes you think you're unique, but your not really. It's mostly the idea's that people give to you and call you, rather than you.



I agree. To lose self means you just become all. Everything else has the power to exist. To experience. What makes you so different if you too just exist and experience? It may not be true but it is actually very logical by definition.




Yeah, you are just another part of nature, rather than independent of it in your mind. Really nothing changes other than breaking free of the fixed perspective you call yourself.

My personal belief is that there is way more after the breaking free of the fixed perspective, such as exploring what is really you with the new found awareness.




Give this man a cookie  :smile::thumbup:


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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: Yogi1]
    #18783214 - 08/31/13 09:44 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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You don't understand. To be egoless would mean you are your family. You don't have a job because that's part of the ego. You wouldn't even have a sense of self. You'd just be. You wouldn't even be here. To live here its basically impossible without an ego. Idk a single person who would be.




Well, can you elaborate a bit, because these could mean multiple thing imo.

You "as the idea of yourself" wouldn't be here, but you as an organism would. You as the idea of yourself wouldn't have a job, but there could very well be a job, it just wouldn't be "yours", there could be work and family, they just wouldn't necessarily be considered as "yours".


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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: teknix]
    #18783222 - 08/31/13 09:46 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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You don't understand. To be egoless would mean you are your family. You don't have a job because that's part of the ego. You wouldn't even have a sense of self. You'd just be. You wouldn't even be here. To live here its basically impossible without an ego. Idk a single person who would be.




Well, can you elaborate a bit, because these could mean multiple thing imo.

You "as the idea of yourself" wouldn't be here, but you as an organism would. You as the idea of yourself wouldn't have a job, but there could very well be a job, it just wouldn't be "yours", there could be work and family, they just wouldn't necessarily be considered as "yours".




This might be semantics. But I'm loving this thread. Bro down.


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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: Icelander]
    #18783238 - 08/31/13 09:50 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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How could you survive under those conditions without culture to protect you?  The first lion would eat you on the spot cause you wouldn't think you were apart from it and run or defend yourself. 




The lion is trying to eat you, not trying to eat yourself. Yourself wouldn't provide any nourishment to the lion.

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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: teknix]
    #18783250 - 08/31/13 09:53 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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How could you survive under those conditions without culture to protect you?  The first lion would eat you on the spot cause you wouldn't think you were apart from it and run or defend yourself. 




The lion is trying to eat you, not trying to eat yourself. Yourself wouldn't provide any nourishment to the lion.

:lol:




This seems to technical, how about this, you need money to survive in our current world. You need to work somewhere and deal with the social obstacles of working etc.. So can you survive or be anything more than a drug addled bum without ego to navigate you.

If so, why?


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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: teknix]
    #18783263 - 08/31/13 09:57 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Ego isn't conscious thought. I don't think anything's gonna eat you or you won't be able to work a daily job because you extinguish all false beliefs about yourself.


An ego isn't who you are; it's what you THINK you are. It's what your mind builds up to conform to society, get the hot girl, be the badass, etc.


But, once again, this is semantics. My definition of ego, which for all I know could be wrong, isn't necessarily what you think of yourself or how you differentiate yourself from society. If that was the case, ego loss would result in a pretty bland world. Rather, it's what you THINK you are. Mind-deceit.


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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: Yogi1] * 1
    #18783273 - 08/31/13 10:00 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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teknix said:
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Icelander said:
How could you survive under those conditions without culture to protect you?  The first lion would eat you on the spot cause you wouldn't think you were apart from it and run or defend yourself. 




The lion is trying to eat you, not trying to eat yourself. Yourself wouldn't provide any nourishment to the lion.

:lol:




This seems to technical, how about this, you need money to survive in our current world. You need to work somewhere and deal with the social obstacles of working etc.. So can you survive or be anything more than a drug addled bum without ego to navigate you.

If so, why?




Well, that we need money to survive isn't sound in the first place. It is difficult to survive without money, but money itself isn't necessary to survive.

Think about what you really need to survive, and how much of it you can accomplish without money.


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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: ShroomPuncher]
    #18783280 - 08/31/13 10:04 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Ego isn't conscious thought. I don't think anything's gonna eat you or you won't be able to work a daily job because you extinguish all false beliefs about yourself.


An ego isn't who you are; it's what you THINK you are. It's what your mind builds up to conform to society, get the hot girl, be the badass, etc.


But, once again, this is semantics. My definition of ego, which for all I know could be wrong, isn't necessarily what you think of yourself or how you differentiate yourself from society. If that was the case, ego loss would result in a pretty bland world. Rather, it's what you THINK you are. Mind-deceit.




Without belifs about yourself can you believe what you see? Or have convictions/beliefs in general?


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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: ShroomPuncher]
    #18783315 - 08/31/13 10:16 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Not that I know of.
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Ego isn't conscious thought. I don't think anything's gonna eat you or you won't be able to work a daily job because you extinguish all false beliefs about yourself.


An ego isn't who you are; it's what you THINK you are. It's what your mind builds up to conform to society, get the hot girl, be the badass, etc.


But, once again, this is semantics. My definition of ego, which for all I know could be wrong, isn't necessarily what you think of yourself or how you differentiate yourself from society. If that was the case, ego loss would result in a pretty bland world. Rather, it's what you THINK you are. Mind-deceit.




That's pretty much how I see it too.


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