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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: Yogi1]
    #18782908 - 08/31/13 08:34 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Your 'ego' doesn't tell you what you are or what you're not. It's the false idea of what you are. For example, you may think you're the greatest fapper in the world. That, is ego and possibly arrogance. They can be the same thing. Now, however, if you say that you're a fapper, that's an identity of yourself but it's not false or self-destructive. You just label yourself a fapper because it's a fascinating hobby. Not ego.


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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: ShroomPuncher]
    #18782948 - 08/31/13 08:42 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Your 'ego' doesn't tell you what you are or what you're not. It's the false idea of what you are. For example, you may think you're the greatest fapper in the world. That, is ego and possibly arrogance. They can be the same thing. Now, however, if you say that you're a fapper, that's an identity of yourself but it's not false or self-destructive. You just label yourself a fapper because it's a fascinating hobby. Not ego.




If I remove the arrogant aspect of the ego but still have a false calculation or image of who I am I still in the state of ego?


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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: ShroomPuncher]
    #18782968 - 08/31/13 08:46 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Your 'ego' doesn't tell you what you are or what you're not. It's the false idea of what you are. For example, you may think you're the greatest fapper in the world. That, is ego and possibly arrogance. They can be the same thing. Now, however, if you say that you're a fapper, that's an identity of yourself but it's not false or self-destructive. You just label yourself a fapper because it's a fascinating hobby. Not ego.





Again you are seeing the ego structure as a complete negative which it doesn't have to be and is not.  I have an ego but that doesn't mean I think I'm more important or better than you.  I know better and my ego is balanced in that respect.


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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: Icelander]
    #18783004 - 08/31/13 08:54 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Your 'ego' doesn't tell you what you are or what you're not. It's the false idea of what you are. For example, you may think you're the greatest fapper in the world. That, is ego and possibly arrogance. They can be the same thing. Now, however, if you say that you're a fapper, that's an identity of yourself but it's not false or self-destructive. You just label yourself a fapper because it's a fascinating hobby. Not ego.




If I remove the arrogant aspect of the ego but still have a false calculation or image of who I am I still in the state of ego?






In my opinion, yes.


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Your 'ego' doesn't tell you what you are or what you're not. It's the false idea of what you are. For example, you may think you're the greatest fapper in the world. That, is ego and possibly arrogance. They can be the same thing. Now, however, if you say that you're a fapper, that's an identity of yourself but it's not false or self-destructive. You just label yourself a fapper because it's a fascinating hobby. Not ego.





Again you are seeing the ego structure as a complete negative which it doesn't have to be and is not.  I have an ego but that doesn't mean I think I'm more important or better than you.  I know better and my ego is balanced in that respect.





I appreciate the comment. Maybe ego is necessary and I know it's possible to balance it out. Maybe I'm defining things wrong. To me, a lack of ego is just being yourself. Not striving to be something you're not and letting things be. Basically, being real as shit with yourself and not letting your mind rule with arrogant thoughts / behaviors. Does that seem to make any more sense?


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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: ShroomPuncher]
    #18783024 - 08/31/13 08:58 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I understand what you're saying and it makes sense.  But defining it as egolessness is what doesn't make sense to me.  Yet you're far from the only one who does that.  I go round and round with folk here all the time on that one.


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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: Icelander]
    #18783028 - 08/31/13 09:00 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Your 'ego' doesn't tell you what you are or what you're not. It's the false idea of what you are. For example, you may think you're the greatest fapper in the world. That, is ego and possibly arrogance. They can be the same thing. Now, however, if you say that you're a fapper, that's an identity of yourself but it's not false or self-destructive. You just label yourself a fapper because it's a fascinating hobby. Not ego.





Again you are seeing the ego structure as a complete negative which it doesn't have to be and is not.  I have an ego but that doesn't mean I think I'm more important or better than you.  I know better and my ego is balanced in that respect.




Icelander, who is having the ego though?


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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: teknix]
    #18783035 - 08/31/13 09:01 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

The biological entity.


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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: ShroomPuncher]
    #18783039 - 08/31/13 09:02 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I think youre close to the right idea, but if I were to tell you where I think youre wrong it would be simply that the ego isnt something to compete with or destroy, but maybe to recognise and translate.

The reason I say this is because in any ego lossing experience I am simply non functional.


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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: Icelander]
    #18783045 - 08/31/13 09:03 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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The biological entity.




Not the mental and intellectual identity/ measure?


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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: Yogi1]
    #18783056 - 08/31/13 09:06 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I'm loving this thread and how it's already changing my thoughts on ego. Great stuffy, guys!


But I don't think the ego is a driving factor.. or that without it, you wouldn't be functional. I think that egos definitely create unique individuals. Maybe it is impossible to completely destroy your ego. I think a lot of this discussion is semantics.


So, Icelander, maybe my definition of 'ego loss' and your definition of 'ego balance' are the same thing. :shrug:


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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: Yogi1]
    #18783070 - 08/31/13 09:08 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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The biological entity.




Not the mental and intellectual identity/ measure?




Yes, that is the action the biological takes.  Without the physical though none of this happens.


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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: Icelander]
    #18783073 - 08/31/13 09:09 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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The biological entity.




Ok, but which biological entity, and how is it having it?


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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: ShroomPuncher]
    #18783077 - 08/31/13 09:09 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm loving this thread and how it's already changing my thoughts on ego. Great stuffy, guys!


But I don't think the ego is a driving factor.. or that without it, you wouldn't be functional. I think that egos definitely create unique individuals. Maybe it is impossible to completely destroy your ego. I think a lot of this discussion is semantics.


So, Icelander, maybe my definition of 'ego loss' and your definition of 'ego balance' are the same thing. :shrug:




My question, then, is to describe in a little more detail what a person without ego is and how they function, and maybe make comparisons to a person with ego.


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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: teknix]
    #18783084 - 08/31/13 09:10 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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The biological entity.




Ok, but which biological entity, and how is it having it?




The one doing the thinking and feeling.


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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: ShroomPuncher]
    #18783085 - 08/31/13 09:11 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm loving this thread and how it's already changing my thoughts on ego. Great stuffy, guys!


But I don't think the ego is a driving factor.. or that without it, you wouldn't be functional. I think that egos definitely create unique individuals. Maybe it is impossible to completely destroy your ego. I think a lot of this discussion is semantics.


So, Icelander, maybe my definition of 'ego loss' and your definition of 'ego balance' are the same thing. :shrug:




Ego isn't even real, it is just idea's compiled upon one another, it isn't something to have anymore than a thought is being had, rather it is observed.


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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: Icelander]
    #18783086 - 08/31/13 09:11 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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The biological entity.




Not the mental and intellectual identity/ measure?




Yes, that is the action the biological takes.  Without the physical though none of this happens.




Semantics then with the same idea I think :thumbup:


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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: teknix]
    #18783101 - 08/31/13 09:13 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Ego isn't even real, it is just idea's compiled upon one another, it isn't something to have anymore than a thought is being had, rather it is observed.


It's as real as thinking anything is.  The term ego is a way of describing an action.  It's just a word like all the other words that have meaning to you.


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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: Icelander]
    #18783113 - 08/31/13 09:16 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Ego isn't even real, it is just idea's compiled upon one another, it isn't something to have anymore than a thought is being had, rather it is observed.


It's as real as thinking anything is.  The term ego is a way of describing an action.  It's just a word like all the other words that have meaning to you.




Can we define first person experiences as actions then?


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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: Yogi1]
    #18783117 - 08/31/13 09:17 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

First tell me why it's important?


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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: Icelander]
    #18783124 - 08/31/13 09:20 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Ego isn't even real, it is just idea's compiled upon one another, it isn't something to have anymore than a thought is being had, rather it is observed.


It's as real as thinking anything is.  The term ego is a way of describing an action.  It's just a word like all the other words that have meaning to you.




By real I mean it doesn't have a tangible existence, other than the thoughts and idea's and even sense of pride that is used to construct it. It isn't an inherent attribute of the biological organism, is what I mean.


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