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Panellusstipticus
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Shamanic use of Salvia divinorum
#18757533 - 08/25/13 10:34 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Greetings everyone, I looked through a few other threads but did not see what I am hoping to find here. For a few years now I have felt this growing need to adopt a more serious shamanic practice- it's kind of hard to explain. I have always been drawn to shamanism (Even as a kid. I started studying herbal medicine on my own when I was like 12- for many years herbs were all I used as medicine).
Long story short, I am considering trying to work with Salvia as a teacher plant. Not sure why, for some reason she is the one that seems to be calling me. That said, Salvia scares the shit out of me  I am not new to Salvia, I tried it a few years ago for one of my birthdays and cant say my trip was super intense. I did experience some disassociation and thought I was growing extra body parts- overall not a bad experience.
So to get to the questions, does anyone here work with Salvia as a plant ally? Meaning you consider it one of your primary teachers or a primary tool you feel you can turn to? What I am wondering is this:
1) First, do you have any general recommendations you could share. Reading other threads seems to corroborate many of my suspicions: Start small and titrate upward. Have a sitter. Keep the lighting and distractions in the room to a low level to prevent freakouts, etc...
2) I found that saliva is a very confusing teacher plant who's lessons are hard to interpret, how did/do you build a relationship with her and ultimately break through the confusion to get to the teacher within?
3) How do you practice, generally speaking- what do you feel has been the most effective use of salvia in your experience.
4) Do you have any other teachers you would suggest either in addition to or instead of salvia (subjective I know)?
Thats good for now. Thanks!
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Panellusstipticus
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Ah, and I did just see this thread. Somehow I missed it before but I will read through it tonight. Looks like really good information 
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18723870
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Acidreamer
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Ya know, I really feel a connection to Salvia and I suggest growing it if you can. You really develop a relationship with a plant when you propagate it and keep it alive. Also, traditionally speaking, fresh leaves were chewed as a quid or brewed into tea - the leaves were never smoked. Ceremonies are held at night with dim to no lighting, usually with shamanic "sitters" present. Whenever I journey with this plant now, I lie down in silent darkness (alone I admit), chewing 2 very large quids in succession over 10 min each. The experience is more immersive + longer lasting this way.
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Panellusstipticus
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Re: Shamanic use of Salvia divinorum [Re: Acidreamer]
#18757975 - 08/26/13 12:13 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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How many leaves do you use per quid and how long does it last? I know it likely does not matter but out of curiosity, which strain are you using?
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gushtunkinflupped
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First- grow it! Lots of it!
And explore quidding the leaves
One thing about salvia that often goes overlooked is how sensitive the trip can be to even small aspects of your mindset and environment. I find it works best in sensory deprivation type conditions (comfy bed in silent darkness) and after meditating for a while.
With salvia you really have to surrender into it and not resist- even moreso than with dmt, in my experience at least. It gets WAY more wierd than just the feeling of growing extra body parts. Thats a good analogy though for the strange tactile sensations you get while on it.
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Quote:
One thing about salvia that often goes overlooked is how sensitive the trip can be to even small aspects of your mindset and environment. I find it works best in sensory deprivation type conditions (comfy bed in silent darkness) and after meditating for a while.
Excellent advice
I find meditating prior to trip drives away most of the negative/overwhelming aspects of sally, as gushtunk is quite right- you thoughts and emotions play a big role. I have often channeled my mind to a particular subject while smoking or chewing or even asked a question over and over as it begins to come on. Still always amazed with what you can come back with.
An incredible plant to grow aswell
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Acidreamer
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Quote:
Panellusstipticus said: How many leaves do you use per quid and how long does it last? I know it likely does not matter but out of curiosity, which strain are you using?
My leaves are really big (bigger than my hand) and I don't always weigh them. Probably at least 8 leaves each, but the more you can fit in your mouth, the better, I feel like.
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d0urd3n
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Re: Shamanic use of Salvia divinorum [Re: Acidreamer]
#18759260 - 08/26/13 11:14 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I agree grow it. You feel much more connected to the plant and its neat smoking your own product. I wouldn't bother with extracts to be honest. I can hit ego death on two bowls of plain leaf with a bic lighter and a bubbler easily. I did it on accident the first time. The people who can't are doing it improperly. You MUST take a big hit and hold it in for a minimum of 20 seconds. Remember that it has reverse tolerance so soon you won't need much at all to get to the same head space.
Lady Salvia seems to be quite particular about who she teaches. Be open with her and let her know you are there to learn. Keep pushing you will get there with time. I have been working on the same thing. Good luck.
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Panellusstipticus
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Re: Shamanic use of Salvia divinorum [Re: d0urd3n]
#18762273 - 08/27/13 01:30 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well, I am glad you guys mention growing it and even consider quiding it. I have been going back and forth about extracts. When tried it before I used a 10X standardized extract (I want to say standardized to 20mg SA but that was like 5 years ago...), it worked pretty well. Still, I kinda want to avoid too much refining I guess.
How do you guys use it, meaning do you just partake whenever and wait for things to come, do you sometimes have a specific intent? A friend of mine sometimes uses cannabis as a plant ally. When he smokes it for such purposes it is usually when he is stuck on a problem and cant see through the confusion. The cannabis helps clear his head and get in touch with his deeper intentions. Salvia seems a little more disassociating than this.
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SalviaGod
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Salvia is my number one teacher in life. I even go as far as to believing that the spirit of salvia is in fact the goddess of my religion.
1)My recommendations would be have a sitter for your first few trips until you are comfortable with it, but after that, always practice alone. My preferred setting is outdoors at night, way past sunset, with either no music, or very calm non vocal new-age type music. It is very important that you can check out completely and pay attention to nothing but the trip, every detail of it.
2)I find that it is best to interpret your trips IMMEDIATELY after you have come down off the peak and the majority of the intensity has faded. I say this because i feel that its much easier to interpret the trip while you are still in a similar state of mind.
3)Feel free to practice with her anytime it feels right, mostly i use 5x extracts but i am transitioning over to plain leaf now that my tolerance is so far down.
4)As of right now i have no other teachers but im hopping that mushrooms will be a good one for me as well, i have a grow going right now so hopefully i will find out soon.
And you should definitely be growing your own, i think it helps with the bond alot.
Hope i was helpful, please feel free to PM me if you have any more questions or want some detail or advice.
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Magicman69
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Re: Shamanic use of Salvia divinorum [Re: SalviaGod]
#18762407 - 08/27/13 02:43 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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To be honest salvia has never appealed much to me. I love the classic psych's too..I smoked it two or three different times but never found the high very enjoyable. Now eating it could be a different story
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Thisfire
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Re: Shamanic use of Salvia divinorum [Re: Magicman69]
#18762635 - 08/27/13 05:52 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I hope it works out well for you man. Salvia for me was very random, and intense.
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Re: Shamanic use of Salvia divinorum [Re: Thisfire]
#18762656 - 08/27/13 06:17 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Lay down is best with no music on
Then its out of body right away and no salvia gravity that hurts
I smoke salvia rarely and expect nothing And I try to live a clean lifestyle up to doing any psychedelic
I dont use other drugs psychedelics do what I want
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I am new to salvia but intend to take a shamanic approach through strict shamanic dieting (no salt, sugar, onions, garlic, citrus, strong flavors, spices, meat, eggs, diary, sex) for at least 3 days before the quidding ceremony and afterwards.
I am growing 3 plants, waiting to have 26 leaves as i read that the maztec shamans usually place 26 leaves (facing north i think) and bless each leaf before rolling them up. Brush your teeth beforehand to aid oral absorption.
It is always a good idea to have a firm intention before working with any medicine. Iv only experimented with very small doses so far - i chew 3-5 leaves to almost instantly relieve my menstrual cramps. Though even from those small doses I have sensed a very powerful and playful energy from the plant.
Read Ross Heavens book 'Quest for the Spirit of Salvia' - he has vast knowledge about the plant. He started by quidding traditional maztec style and started to experiment with smoking extract combined with ayahuasca and san pedro. Transformational stuff indeed! I do not feel drawn to smoke salvia, I imagine that the medicinal healing benefits are stronger and less overwhelming/confusing (less dissociative too maybe) if used orally.
If you get a chance check out the song i made as an offering to the spirit of salvia
Good luck and let us know how your journey goes
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Re: Shamanic use of Salvia divinorum [Re: leafylassy]
#18783142 - 08/31/13 09:24 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well,
She slapped me in the face. Shook me to the core. And left me lying naked face up on the floor.
But heres my trip report I typed up a while back. I havent had the chance to work with salvia in probably 5 years because of the legality. I am deeply interested in starting a relationship with her again and exploring the quid method. Salvia was my first psychedelic experience aside from weed, and I have nothing but respect for her. Transformative indeed.
Started with a couple hits of pot out of our homemade bong from a ceramic bowl, glass vase, and actual automotive carborator.
I began slowly rocking back and forth as the plant energy seeped into my consciousness. Then we packed the salvia, 45x i believe. I was first, I held the torch lighter over it and took the biggest hit i could. Held it in for probably 20 seconds, but after about 10 it seemed to stretch out as the effects took hold. Managed to take one more hit in before I laid back looking up at the twisted trees and vines shelting up above. As I laid there, I recall a pins and needles effect. My attempt to hang on to any mental familiarity and comfort was seen physically by my body clawing into the dirt. The earth and everything with it was shifting and turning upside down, there was no hanging on.
As I laid down and looked up again, the trees had now formed a massive ferris wheel composed of rotating dead bodies. This was not just a visual sensation, as I looked up I was continually shifting through different potential "realities" or doors my life could go through. All these different me's in constant circulation. Every one a different life I could have lived.
This continued for a time not recognizable in the state. IT turned out to actually have been over an hour. I was still in this flux state of perceptual chaos when my friends were ready to leave. With there assistance I made it onto my feet. Everything was still shifting but we made our way out of the secret passage into the woods. The plants were moving and the earth was shifting with every step. We made it through my friends basement door and I crawled into bed. The covers were devouring my body/
That night I dreamed I was up in the mountains, by a waterfall. I was surrounded by rainbow colored cats. On top of this mountain we discovered giant glowing emeralds.
One of the most extraordinary things about salvia is the feeling afterwords. For myself and one of my fellow companions, there is a euphoric appreciation to "Be Back". Settled into this reality, ordinary state of consiousness. A renewed appreciation for life.
Edited by weshroom (08/31/13 09:32 PM)
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KNOXFORD
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I've had a relationship with Sally since 2006, she has told me everything I could ever know before forgetting it all again to be man again and terrified me to the core. I think she has some amazing potential as a teacher and if someone is willing to go to the length become her ally. I am about to grow her myself but have also not seen that much forum information of specific practices with her. What I have learned for myself that may be relevant is respect is very important with her, the deeper I came to know her I learned of her disliking of fire. This is reported by many people online, I learned this as she became a tree before me and spoke and made me promise to never again burn her. That has lead me to grow her from a cutting, and I will not burn her unless given permission but chew her leaves at the appropriate timing. I don't know if she dislikes fire altogether or being burned by certain people but I am against me myself burning her.
p.s. Mary is also a powerful teacher, and can be quite rebellious when disrespected ;-)
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d0urd3n
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Re: Shamanic use of Salvia divinorum [Re: KNOXFORD]
#20461607 - 08/22/14 08:05 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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I haven't ever had issues with burning her. It's interesting that many feel this way. I am not sure how much of that is because people read about that before trying salvia.
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1314697
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Re: Shamanic use of Salvia divinorum [Re: d0urd3n]
#20462125 - 08/22/14 09:30 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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Grow your own then quid it is what i would do. Maybe make an extract to try while I'm at it
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