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Is LSD natural?
#18782011 - 08/31/13 04:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Man made, strange effect but very much like other natural psychedelics, especially Morning Glory seed.
What say you?
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Re: Is LSD natural? [Re: Icelander]
#18782037 - 08/31/13 04:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Short answer: artificial. Long answer: natural.
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Best answer: natural to some, artificial to others, trippy to all.
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Re: Is LSD natural? [Re: deCypher]
#18782104 - 08/31/13 05:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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deCypher said: Best answer:
What if I don't agree?
The most natural explanation is by all means:
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Short answer: artificial. Long answer: natural.
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I think yes. Only reason I say so is because it unoverdoseable. Or extremely difficult. And it feels real god and makes me think I'm smart
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Re: Is LSD natural? [Re: cez]
#18783860 - 09/01/13 01:41 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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brilliant post.
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Re: Is LSD natural? [Re: Icelander]
#18783862 - 09/01/13 01:44 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks
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Re: Is LSD natural? [Re: Icelander]
#18783906 - 09/01/13 01:59 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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The line between natural/unnatural has more subjective connotations than it does logical points imo
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Re: Is LSD natural? [Re: lolwut]
#18783931 - 09/01/13 02:15 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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The fungus that LSD is derived from will make you trip. Perhaps LSD is the trippy part of the fungus without the parts that make you sick/poisoned.
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Is man natural?
And are man-made things unnatural?
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Re: Is LSD natural? [Re: Icelander]
#18784053 - 09/01/13 03:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Man made, strange effect but very much like other natural psychedelics, especially Morning Glory seed.
What say you?
Well, I think that's the point of distinguishing between natural and synthetic drugs, that LSD is man made... Knowing this, you'll probably a better chance of finding some from other people rather than say looking in a field of flowering plants...
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it's comparatively natural:
more natural than computers, cars, and l.e.d. lighting: about the same natural as bicycles, steam engines, whiskey, cities, cotton clothing, books.
not accessible to stone-age people.
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more natural than computers, cars, and l.e.d. lighting: about the same natural as bicycles, steam engines, whiskey, cities, cotton clothing, books.
What made you come to these realizations?
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It just hasn't been found in nature yet.
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go back to 1940 lsd is as natural as a bicycle then. manufactured with similar complexity, and probably safer then as it is now (than a bicycle).
silicon chips are way more unnatural or difficult/complex to manufacture.
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I really don't know how to see anything as unnatural. I understand that humans can manipulate and create but I see nothing coming out of whole cloth. Nature provides man divides.
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silicon chips are way more unnatural or difficult/complex to manufacture.
Why are they way more unnatural? Because they are complex to manufacture?
I am sure these wooden instruments was complex to create as well:

Is manufacture your keyword; why?
Unnatural or artificiality is when humans produce and synthesize but it's ultimately as natural as elephants walking around. I have no metric to determine what is more natural or unnatural when humans produce and synthesize.
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Re: Is LSD natural? [Re: Icelander]
#18785158 - 09/01/13 12:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Icelander said: I really don't know how to see anything as unnatural. I understand that humans can manipulate and create but I see nothing coming out of whole cloth. Nature provides man divides. 
I once had some supernatural LSD made from the faery blood of 4th dimensional hyper elves....
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Re: Is LSD natural? [Re: Icelander]
#18786242 - 09/01/13 05:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Man made, strange effect but very much like other natural psychedelics, especially Morning Glory seed.
What say you?
I agree with the late Dr. Hofmann, who found the lethargy in Morning Glory seeds to be a real negative. I remember plodding along, despite the intense visuals, and feeling like I wanted to plotz on the ground and melt into the earth. Transmuting Lysergic acid amides into Diethylamide makes all the difference in the world to me. LSD-25 is not natural in that it does not occur in nature spontaneously without the influence of human nature. In this case, I find human intervention most agreeable.
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Icelander said: I really don't know how to see anything as unnatural. I understand that humans can manipulate and create but I see nothing coming out of whole cloth. Nature provides man divides. 
I once had some supernatural LSD made from the faery blood of 4th dimensional hyper elves....
I have blotters laced with dihydrogen monoxide! my mom was hooked on that shit when i was born...
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Re: Is LSD natural? [Re: Memories]
#18786651 - 09/01/13 07:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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we live in manufactured times with manufactured laws and manufactured history and religions.
It's like living in a movie that is writing itself: in this world LSD is a very old and very reliable natural thing. it is very honest, and much more true to form than much of what has become normal and expected. like single malt whisky just better.
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I'm continually amazed at how little logic invades your posts.
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Re: Is LSD natural? [Re: Icelander]
#18786955 - 09/01/13 08:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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speaking of old and reliable...
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ouch
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so is blotter more natural than windowpane? gels have always done me right... but i'm vegetarian these days so that seems a little less natural... all the same i'd say liquid is more natural than either, but certainly less natural than crystal... i'm not sure where microdots fits into the equation, but i've never had those in the first place....
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blotter windowpane microdots have all be natural options.
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Yah but you said comparatively so I'm comparing .
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that's natural (I meant blotter windowpane microdots have all been natural options)
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It's semi synthetic. Nature and science baby. Cleanest and most incredible substance in fackin world.
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Re: Is LSD natural? [Re: hTx]
#18798626 - 09/04/13 10:17 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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hTx said: Is man natural?
And are man-made things unnatural?
This!^^^ I find it interesting that people constantly divide humans and human creations from nature, or better yet get into debates about or consider one psychoactive to automatically be better than the other based on this criteria alone. I mean people don't generally consider bird's nests or beaver dams to be unnatural, yet anything we touch somehow is? I s'pose it could be an argument of complexity or something, but that would then be denying the vast complexity found in biology, etc. I vote as natural as anything else that has ever existed so long as you don't consider man to be separate from nature.
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Re: Is LSD natural? [Re: Icelander]
#18799020 - 09/04/13 12:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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bees are natural. honey is natural. man is natural. LSD is natural. I feel the bee/honey analogy works pretty well to show how man-made things are natural. unless of course you dont believe honey or man is natural...and if thats the case...well I'll just let you think on that for a little.
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Re: Is LSD natural? [Re: Icelander]
#18799166 - 09/04/13 01:09 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Icelander said: I really don't know how to see anything as unnatural. I understand that humans can manipulate and create but I see nothing coming out of whole cloth. Nature provides man divides. 
Agreed
Like "organic fruit"... never seen non-carbon based fruit myself
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LittileSkierDude said: bees are natural. honey is natural. man is natural. LSD is natural. I feel the bee/honey analogy works pretty well to show how man-made things are natural. unless of course you dont believe honey or man is natural...and if thats the case...well I'll just let you think on that for a little.
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i mean really it seems the question has nothing to do with lsd, but if there is even such a thing as nature, the phenomena of the physical world collectively, including plants, animals, the landscape, and other features and products of the earth, as opposed to humans or human creations.
if there weren't humans or beings capable of comparable neurosemantic functions, could magic mushrooms exist on our earth? if there weren't humans, or beings capable of comparable neurosemantic functions, could lsd exist on our earth? that's the only point of the distinguishment between natural and synthetic to me... unnatural implies something slightly different than synthetic though, because it implies something that even mankind couldn't be responsible for... it implies something metaphysical.
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In food, organic has a completely different definition, referring to the lack of pesticides and certain fertilisers.
What makes a drug natural though? Is it the feeling the drug gives?
I love hearing the "I'd like to try shrooms because they're natural, but I'd never do acid" argument. I mean I do love mushrooms but come on, the vast majority of people who are experienced in both agree that lsd is generally a much easier/lighter experience. It's more benign imo, less of a big deal. (Though still a bid deal in itself)
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Re: Is LSD natural? [Re: birdland]
#18801308 - 09/04/13 10:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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birdland said: In food, organic has a completely different definition, referring to the lack of pesticides and certain fertilisers.
Way to miss the point entirely.
LSD is organic, its as natural as hybridized wheat from 5000 BC.
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I find it hard to believe anything man-made is inherently unnatural. I mean that sort of implies that it's not a product of nature. Humans are nature though, so I'd think anything created by us is essentially created by nature; it's natural.
I use the word a lot though, more so in reference to a feeling. The feeling that something's not right, or even an intuition. What's unnatural to me might be completely natural and unquestionable to someone else though
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Re: Is LSD natural? [Re: birdland]
#18801345 - 09/04/13 10:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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birdland said: I find it hard to believe anything man-made is inherently unnatural. I mean that sort of implies that it's not a product of nature. Humans are nature though, so I'd think anything created by us is essentially created by nature; it's natural.
I use the word a lot though, more so in reference to a feeling. The feeling that something's not right, or even an intuition. What's unnatural to me might be completely natural and unquestionable to someone else though
Well, that's what I said as well, that there's a qualitative difference between natural vs. synthetic in such a context and natural vs. unnatural.
Awhile back I was watching Alan Ball talk about his show True Blood and he talked quite a bit about how he aimed to having everything with these vampires correspond to something that existed within nature as opposed to being something damned by "God" or metaphysical in origin... It was pretty cool
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Okay yeah I honestly had no idea that's what you were referring to. 
I don't know much about chemistry, are you saying LSD is organic because it contains carbon and therefore natural?
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Re: Is LSD natural? [Re: birdland]
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birdland said: Okay yeah I honestly had no idea that's what you were referring to. 
I don't know much about chemistry, are you saying LSD is organic because it contains carbon and therefore natural?
Well it was a joke, kind of corny I guess. But by extension I don't consider anything unnatural, semantically sure but all we're doing is rearranging things which are already there. On a chemical level or in the 'larger' picture its just moving things around.
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Re: Is LSD natural? [Re: caogomi]
#18801830 - 09/05/13 02:10 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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