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Destroying The Ego
#18782008 - 08/31/13 04:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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This forum seems most appropriate for this conversation and it's a topic that I think should be discussed more often, especially with the younger audience.
For this discussion, here's a couple definitions of ego:
-the self especially as contrasted with another self or the world -the βIβ or self of any person; a person as thinking, feeling, and willing, and distinguishing itself from the selves of others and from objects of its thought.
To me, ego is what we THINK we are. The image we, family, society, etc., mold for ourselves. It's our self-image that, oftentimes, we spend too much time trying to convince ourselves or others of.
As a martial artist, I've learned that while sometimes (very rarely) helpful, the ego is what brings you down. Thinking you're better instead of trying to truly become greater. It's what we strive to break from. To not label oneself and rather, just be.
Most of the fights I've gotten to weren't because I had to physically defend myself, but because I had to defend my ego; my false self. Watch almost any street fight or physical confrontation and tell me that egos aren't involved.
Anyways, after my little ramble, how have you separated yourself from your ego? Or what are you doing to destroy it? Or do you just not give a damn?
With me, my ego and lack of self-control have gotten me in quite a bit of trouble. Trying to be content with myself is often difficult. I find it hard to apply for jobs or even be slightly social because of a fear of rejection, which I believe to partially stem from my ego (caring too much what people think of me).
Please, share your insight and journeys as to how you have defeated, coped with, or otherwise managed your ego(s). And please list alternative methods other than
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I'm interested in this myself. I dont have much to add but this video I found is pretty interesting. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCUUeVBFnyQ
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The ego is either inflated and unskillful or balanced and helpful/skillful. To destroy it is to destroy the self completely imo.
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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: brokentv]
#18782062 - 08/31/13 05:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Icelander said: The ego is either inflated and unskillful or balanced and helpful/skillful. To destroy it is to destroy the self completely imo.
Interesting point of view and a good point. I think destroying the ego can often mean destroying one's 'self', or what we think we are. But then, we can start to find who we truly are and live naturally. But this is just my opinion and all others are welcome. 
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Nice share, man!
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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: brokentv]
#18782071 - 08/31/13 05:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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No doubt, no worries, no frustration, no fear , only acceptance and appreciation in the moment :-)
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But then, we can start to find who we truly are and live naturally.
I don't think that would be possible. Our ego or sense of self is what allows us to maneuver in a material reality. We would quickly become prey and then extinct without the sense of self. The ego is perfectly natural.
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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: Icelander]
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But then, we can start to find who we truly are and live naturally.
I don't think that would be possible. Our ego or sense of self is what allows us to maneuver in a material reality. We would quickly become prey and then extinct without the sense of self. The ego is perfectly natural.
True, a sense of self would be necessary but I think we have different definitions. A false sense of one's self (ego) rarely has any positive benefits. It can be a motivating force but more often than not, it can motivate in a negative manner and be self-destructive.
Besides, all other species on Earth get along fine without a conscious thought of themselves. When a hyena runs from a lion or vice-versa, that's a result of instinctive nature. I don't think they go back to their den with thoughts of defeat, revenge, failure, or any other negative thoughts that arise from egos. Whereas as a human, getting 'punked out' by a bully, for example, is so dramatic because it's our ego telling us to saddle up, man up, and fight back. It's a sense of defeat that our ego instills in us.
Many people have motives for revenge, getting bigger, better, more intimidating when dealing with predators of any sort. When, in reality, the logical thing to do unless you're truly in danger would be to walk away. But to most, pride-damaging and near impossible to do.
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I've chased ego destruction/ overcoming the ego for over 3 years of psychedelic use and meditation, philosophy, etc...
I will tell you I have learned what amounts to simply one overall philosophy. It is simply "The ego is a necessary vehicle for a productive and useful self"
Unless youre going to be a monk in tibet then destroy the ego, if you want to do anything productive with yourself then simply learn to balance and observe the ego.
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ShroomPuncher said: But then, we can start to find who we truly are and live naturally.
I don't think that would be possible. Our ego or sense of self is what allows us to maneuver in a material reality. We would quickly become prey and then extinct without the sense of self. The ego is perfectly natural.
True, a sense of self would be necessary but I think we have different definitions. A false sense of one's self (ego) rarely has any positive benefits. It can be a motivating force but more often than not, it can motivate in a negative manner and be self-destructive.
Besides, all other species on Earth get along fine without a conscious thought of themselves. When a hyena runs from a lion or vice-versa, that's a result of instinctive nature. I don't think they go back to their den with thoughts of defeat, revenge, failure, or any other negative thoughts that arise from egos. Whereas as a human, getting 'punked out' by a bully, for example, is so dramatic because it's our ego telling us to saddle up, man up, and fight back. It's a sense of defeat that our ego instills in us.
Many people have motives for revenge, getting bigger, better, more intimidating when dealing with predators of any sort. When, in reality, the logical thing to do unless you're truly in danger would be to walk away. But to most, pride-damaging and near impossible to do.
You're choosing to look at an unbalanced ego structure and say that's what the ego is. That's far from reality imo.
So you really think your life would be great if you were totally instinctive? Well then you can give up most of the positive things that self awareness brings with it also.
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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: Icelander]
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ShroomPuncher said: But then, we can start to find who we truly are and live naturally.
I don't think that would be possible. Our ego or sense of self is what allows us to maneuver in a material reality. We would quickly become prey and then extinct without the sense of self. The ego is perfectly natural.
True, a sense of self would be necessary but I think we have different definitions. A false sense of one's self (ego) rarely has any positive benefits. It can be a motivating force but more often than not, it can motivate in a negative manner and be self-destructive.
Besides, all other species on Earth get along fine without a conscious thought of themselves. When a hyena runs from a lion or vice-versa, that's a result of instinctive nature. I don't think they go back to their den with thoughts of defeat, revenge, failure, or any other negative thoughts that arise from egos. Whereas as a human, getting 'punked out' by a bully, for example, is so dramatic because it's our ego telling us to saddle up, man up, and fight back. It's a sense of defeat that our ego instills in us.
Many people have motives for revenge, getting bigger, better, more intimidating when dealing with predators of any sort. When, in reality, the logical thing to do unless you're truly in danger would be to walk away. But to most, pride-damaging and near impossible to do.
You're choosing to look at an unbalanced ego structure and say that's what the ego is. That's far from reality imo.
So you really think your life would be great if you were totally instinctive? Well then you can give up most of the positive things that self awareness brings with it also.
Not at all. I used instincts as a comparison. You can still have a loss of ego and be YOU. You're still capable of happiness, thought, and all that good shit. Just because you lose your ego doesn't mean you lose conscious thought or what it takes to be 'normal'. If anything, a loss of ego, even just a minor reduction, can significantly reduce negative thoughts. You don't have this self-image of who you are so you don't have to constantly prove to yourself and others things that aren't necessary.
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That's not realistic imo. I have a pretty balanced self image much of the time and that allows me to be pretty realistic and live my life as I choose as much as possible. I take the good with the bad. Again you're seeing the ego as a total negative which it is not.
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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said: That's not realistic imo. I have a pretty balanced self image much of the time and that allows me to be pretty realistic and live my life as I choose as much as possible. I take the good with the bad. Again you're seeing the ego as a total negative which it is not.
In my opinion, it is though. It's what we think we are; not what we actually are. It's an image we have created for ourselves. Now if you're completely realistic, confident, and in control, then it rarely creates a problem but for many people, the ego serves no good purpose. You can be you and be confident and happy without an ego.
I just don't see how anything good can come out of a perceived image of oneself. But that's my opinion and in my personal experience, an ego is never good but if you can manage, then more power to ya! Interesting conversation so far though.
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Like I stated earlier. The ego helps us navigate material reality and replaces total reliance on instinct. The evolution of the neo-cortex made that survival trait available to us and has allowed us to be the dominant animal on the planet.
I have yet to see a human without an ego. Some rare ones are nicely balanced and seem unobtrusive which they are. But it is still an ego structure as far as I know.
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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: Icelander]
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I have yet to see a human without an ego. Some rare ones are nicely balanced and seem unobtrusive which they are. But it is still an ego structure as far as I know.
I've met quite a few people who don't have egos as in the way I've defined it. They don't think of what, who, how they are. They just are. They don't mind backing down or taking unorthodox approaches. Don't judge, very present, and very capable human beings.
It just depends on the individual, I guess.
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Well I think you aren't observing them closely enough but whatever.
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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said: Like I stated earlier. The ego helps us navigate material reality and replaces total reliance on instinct. The evolution of the neo-cortex made that survival trait available to us and has allowed us to be the dominant animal on the planet.
I have yet to see a human without an ego. Some rare ones are nicely balanced and seem unobtrusive which they are. But it is still an ego structure as far as I know.
^^^ truth broski. An egoless human might exist, but certainly not in this culture.
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I have yet to see a human without an ego. Some rare ones are nicely balanced and seem unobtrusive which they are. But it is still an ego structure as far as I know.
I've met quite a few people who don't have egos as in the way I've defined it. They don't think of what, who, how they are. They just are. They don't mind backing down or taking unorthodox approaches. Don't judge, very present, and very capable human beings.
It just depends on the individual, I guess.
Defined by the self or the arrogance? Awfully hard to be a being without an individualistic self.
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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: Yogi1]
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Icelander said: Like I stated earlier. The ego helps us navigate material reality and replaces total reliance on instinct. The evolution of the neo-cortex made that survival trait available to us and has allowed us to be the dominant animal on the planet.
I have yet to see a human without an ego. Some rare ones are nicely balanced and seem unobtrusive which they are. But it is still an ego structure as far as I know.
I've met quite a few people who don't have egos as in the way I've defined it. They don't think of what, who, how they are. They just are. They don't mind backing down or taking unorthodox approaches. Don't judge, very present, and very capable human beings.
It just depends on the individual, I guess.
Defined by the self or the arrogance? Awfully hard to be a being without an individualistic self.
An absolute lack of arrogance.
Maybe my definition of ego is off. You can be individualistic and be yourself. You can have a sense of self, but it's the false sense of one's self, which many obtain through different ways, which I consider an ego.
It's what you THINK you are, not what you actually are. For example, bullys thinking they're hardasses. Obviously, they're not. A false sense of one's self. I appreciate the observations! I should've been more clear at the start.
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Icelander said: Like I stated earlier. The ego helps us navigate material reality and replaces total reliance on instinct. The evolution of the neo-cortex made that survival trait available to us and has allowed us to be the dominant animal on the planet.
I have yet to see a human without an ego. Some rare ones are nicely balanced and seem unobtrusive which they are. But it is still an ego structure as far as I know.
I've met quite a few people who don't have egos as in the way I've defined it. They don't think of what, who, how they are. They just are. They don't mind backing down or taking unorthodox approaches. Don't judge, very present, and very capable human beings.
It just depends on the individual, I guess.
Defined by the self or the arrogance? Awfully hard to be a being without an individualistic self.
An absolute lack of arrogance.
Maybe my definition of ego is off. You can be individualistic and be yourself. You can have a sense of self, but it's the false sense of one's self, which many obtain through different ways, which I consider an ego.
It's what you THINK you are, not what you actually are. For example, bullys thinking they're hardasses. Obviously, they're not. A false sense of one's self. I appreciate the observations! I should've been more clear at the start.
Curiosity, how would you know what you are? Or not think you are something?
A really interesting subject to me.
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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: Yogi1]
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Your 'ego' doesn't tell you what you are or what you're not. It's the false idea of what you are. For example, you may think you're the greatest fapper in the world. That, is ego and possibly arrogance. They can be the same thing. Now, however, if you say that you're a fapper, that's an identity of yourself but it's not false or self-destructive. You just label yourself a fapper because it's a fascinating hobby. Not ego.
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If I remove the arrogant aspect of the ego but still have a false calculation or image of who I am I still in the state of ego?
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Again you are seeing the ego structure as a complete negative which it doesn't have to be and is not. I have an ego but that doesn't mean I think I'm more important or better than you. I know better and my ego is balanced in that respect.
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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: Icelander]
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If I remove the arrogant aspect of the ego but still have a false calculation or image of who I am I still in the state of ego?
In my opinion, yes.
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Again you are seeing the ego structure as a complete negative which it doesn't have to be and is not. I have an ego but that doesn't mean I think I'm more important or better than you. I know better and my ego is balanced in that respect.
I appreciate the comment. Maybe ego is necessary and I know it's possible to balance it out. Maybe I'm defining things wrong. To me, a lack of ego is just being yourself. Not striving to be something you're not and letting things be. Basically, being real as shit with yourself and not letting your mind rule with arrogant thoughts / behaviors. Does that seem to make any more sense?
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I understand what you're saying and it makes sense. But defining it as egolessness is what doesn't make sense to me. Yet you're far from the only one who does that. I go round and round with folk here all the time on that one.
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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: Icelander]
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Again you are seeing the ego structure as a complete negative which it doesn't have to be and is not. I have an ego but that doesn't mean I think I'm more important or better than you. I know better and my ego is balanced in that respect.
Icelander, who is having the ego though?
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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: teknix]
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The biological entity.
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I think youre close to the right idea, but if I were to tell you where I think youre wrong it would be simply that the ego isnt something to compete with or destroy, but maybe to recognise and translate.
The reason I say this is because in any ego lossing experience I am simply non functional.
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Not the mental and intellectual identity/ measure?
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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: Yogi1]
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I'm loving this thread and how it's already changing my thoughts on ego. Great stuffy, guys!
But I don't think the ego is a driving factor.. or that without it, you wouldn't be functional. I think that egos definitely create unique individuals. Maybe it is impossible to completely destroy your ego. I think a lot of this discussion is semantics.
So, Icelander, maybe my definition of 'ego loss' and your definition of 'ego balance' are the same thing.
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Not the mental and intellectual identity/ measure?
Yes, that is the action the biological takes. Without the physical though none of this happens.
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But I don't think the ego is a driving factor.. or that without it, you wouldn't be functional. I think that egos definitely create unique individuals. Maybe it is impossible to completely destroy your ego. I think a lot of this discussion is semantics.
So, Icelander, maybe my definition of 'ego loss' and your definition of 'ego balance' are the same thing. 
My question, then, is to describe in a little more detail what a person without ego is and how they function, and maybe make comparisons to a person with ego.
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Ok, but which biological entity, and how is it having it?
The one doing the thinking and feeling.
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But I don't think the ego is a driving factor.. or that without it, you wouldn't be functional. I think that egos definitely create unique individuals. Maybe it is impossible to completely destroy your ego. I think a lot of this discussion is semantics.
So, Icelander, maybe my definition of 'ego loss' and your definition of 'ego balance' are the same thing. 
Ego isn't even real, it is just idea's compiled upon one another, it isn't something to have anymore than a thought is being had, rather it is observed.
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Not the mental and intellectual identity/ measure?
Yes, that is the action the biological takes. Without the physical though none of this happens.
Semantics then with the same idea I think
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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: teknix]
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Ego isn't even real, it is just idea's compiled upon one another, it isn't something to have anymore than a thought is being had, rather it is observed.
It's as real as thinking anything is. The term ego is a way of describing an action. It's just a word like all the other words that have meaning to you.
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It's as real as thinking anything is. The term ego is a way of describing an action. It's just a word like all the other words that have meaning to you.
Can we define first person experiences as actions then?
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First tell me why it's important?
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It's as real as thinking anything is. The term ego is a way of describing an action. It's just a word like all the other words that have meaning to you.
By real I mean it doesn't have a tangible existence, other than the thoughts and idea's and even sense of pride that is used to construct it. It isn't an inherent attribute of the biological organism, is what I mean.
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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: teknix]
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Ego means self identity. What makes you unique from anything else. Your body, your personality, your emotions, your life. Everything you've gained and learned is ALL part of your ego. To lose your ego means you lose everything you've ever gained. Your body, your mind, your thoughts, your name, you. The only thing you don't lose is your ability to experience. Your ability to exist. Basically to be egoless or as close to it as possible means to be pure existence. To just be. It's a very very hard thing to accomplish in life and it's completely impossible to be egoless while walking around because just the simple act of walking makes you focused on your body and the world.
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It's not physical if that's what you mean.
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Because I dont know if what I'm experiencing vs what Im doing during my experiences is an action.
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Yeah, it makes you think you're unique, but your not really. It's mostly the idea's that people give to you and call you, rather than you.
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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: Yogi1]
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Well honestly I don't know that either but to me it was easier to explain my post by saying it that way. In the sense that something is going on physical or mental/experiential.
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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: teknix]
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I agree. To lose self means you just become all. Everything else has the power to exist. To experience. What makes you so different if you too just exist and experience? It may not be true but it is actually very logical by definition.
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My question to you would be whether someone could accomplish this said egoless existence and still work a regular job or keep a family etc
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How could you survive under those conditions without culture to protect you? The first lion would eat you on the spot cause you wouldn't think you were apart from it and run or defend yourself.
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My question to you would be whether someone could accomplish this said egoless existence and still work a regular job or keep a family etc
You don't understand. To be egoless would mean you are your family. You don't have a job because that's part of the ego. You wouldn't even have a sense of self. You'd just be. You wouldn't even be here. To live here its basically impossible without an ego. Idk a single person who would be.
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I agree. To lose self means you just become all. Everything else has the power to exist. To experience. What makes you so different if you too just exist and experience? It may not be true but it is actually very logical by definition.
Yeah, you are just another part of nature, rather than independent of it in your mind. Really nothing changes other than breaking free of the fixed perspective you call yourself.
My personal belief is that there is way more after the breaking free of the fixed perspective, such as exploring what is really you with the new found awareness.
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Mad Season said: Ego means self identity. What makes you unique from anything else. Your body, your personality, your emotions, your life. Everything you've gained and learned is ALL part of your ego. To lose your ego means you lose everything you've ever gained. Your body, your mind, your thoughts, your name, you. The only thing you don't lose is your ability to experience. Your ability to exist. Basically to be egoless or as close to it as possible means to be pure existence. To just be. It's a very very hard thing to accomplish in life and it's completely impossible to be egoless while walking around because just the simple act of walking makes you focused on your body and the world.
My question to you would be whether someone could accomplish this said egoless existence and still work a regular job or keep a family etc
You don't understand. To be egoless would mean you are your family. You don't have a job because that's part of the ego. You wouldn't even have a sense of self. You'd just be. You wouldn't even be here. To live here its basically impossible without an ego. Idk a single person who would be.
This is definitely what I'm thinking. I'm glad we can relate.
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teknix said: Yeah, it makes you think you're unique, but your not really. It's mostly the idea's that people give to you and call you, rather than you.
I agree. To lose self means you just become all. Everything else has the power to exist. To experience. What makes you so different if you too just exist and experience? It may not be true but it is actually very logical by definition.
Yeah, you are just another part of nature, rather than independent of it in your mind. Really nothing changes other than breaking free of the fixed perspective you call yourself.
My personal belief is that there is way more after the breaking free of the fixed perspective, such as exploring what is really you with the new found awareness.
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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: Yogi1]
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Well, can you elaborate a bit, because these could mean multiple thing imo.
You "as the idea of yourself" wouldn't be here, but you as an organism would. You as the idea of yourself wouldn't have a job, but there could very well be a job, it just wouldn't be "yours", there could be work and family, they just wouldn't necessarily be considered as "yours".
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Well, can you elaborate a bit, because these could mean multiple thing imo.
You "as the idea of yourself" wouldn't be here, but you as an organism would. You as the idea of yourself wouldn't have a job, but there could very well be a job, it just wouldn't be "yours", there could be work and family, they just wouldn't necessarily be considered as "yours".
This might be semantics. But I'm loving this thread. Bro down.
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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: Icelander]
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The lion is trying to eat you, not trying to eat yourself. Yourself wouldn't provide any nourishment to the lion.
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The lion is trying to eat you, not trying to eat yourself. Yourself wouldn't provide any nourishment to the lion.

This seems to technical, how about this, you need money to survive in our current world. You need to work somewhere and deal with the social obstacles of working etc.. So can you survive or be anything more than a drug addled bum without ego to navigate you.
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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: teknix]
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Ego isn't conscious thought. I don't think anything's gonna eat you or you won't be able to work a daily job because you extinguish all false beliefs about yourself.
An ego isn't who you are; it's what you THINK you are. It's what your mind builds up to conform to society, get the hot girl, be the badass, etc.
But, once again, this is semantics. My definition of ego, which for all I know could be wrong, isn't necessarily what you think of yourself or how you differentiate yourself from society. If that was the case, ego loss would result in a pretty bland world. Rather, it's what you THINK you are. Mind-deceit.
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Icelander said: How could you survive under those conditions without culture to protect you? The first lion would eat you on the spot cause you wouldn't think you were apart from it and run or defend yourself.
The lion is trying to eat you, not trying to eat yourself. Yourself wouldn't provide any nourishment to the lion.

This seems to technical, how about this, you need money to survive in our current world. You need to work somewhere and deal with the social obstacles of working etc.. So can you survive or be anything more than a drug addled bum without ego to navigate you.
If so, why?
Well, that we need money to survive isn't sound in the first place. It is difficult to survive without money, but money itself isn't necessary to survive.
Think about what you really need to survive, and how much of it you can accomplish without money.
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An ego isn't who you are; it's what you THINK you are. It's what your mind builds up to conform to society, get the hot girl, be the badass, etc.
But, once again, this is semantics. My definition of ego, which for all I know could be wrong, isn't necessarily what you think of yourself or how you differentiate yourself from society. If that was the case, ego loss would result in a pretty bland world. Rather, it's what you THINK you are. Mind-deceit.
Without belifs about yourself can you believe what you see? Or have convictions/beliefs in general?
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ShroomPuncher said: Ego isn't conscious thought. I don't think anything's gonna eat you or you won't be able to work a daily job because you extinguish all false beliefs about yourself.
An ego isn't who you are; it's what you THINK you are. It's what your mind builds up to conform to society, get the hot girl, be the badass, etc.
But, once again, this is semantics. My definition of ego, which for all I know could be wrong, isn't necessarily what you think of yourself or how you differentiate yourself from society. If that was the case, ego loss would result in a pretty bland world. Rather, it's what you THINK you are. Mind-deceit.
That's pretty much how I see it too.
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An ego isn't who you are; it's what you THINK you are. It's what your mind builds up to conform to society, get the hot girl, be the badass, etc.
But, once again, this is semantics. My definition of ego, which for all I know could be wrong, isn't necessarily what you think of yourself or how you differentiate yourself from society. If that was the case, ego loss would result in a pretty bland world. Rather, it's what you THINK you are. Mind-deceit.
Without belifs about yourself can you believe what you see? Or have convictions/beliefs in general?
I don't think so, there isn't anything to have without a you to have it. There are things to use and consider, but they don't make you.
By not conforming to a single perspective you can better consider all perspectives. Like water, awareness can be molded to fit into whatever container it is put into.
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I enjoy this excerpt and felt like putting it here.
"For the ego exists in an abstract sense alone, being an abstraction from memory, somewhat like the illusory circle of fire made by a whirling torch. We can for example, imagine the path of a bird through the sky as a distinct line which it has taken. But this line is as abstract as a line of latitude. In concrete reality, the bird left no line, and, similarly, the past from which our ego is abstracted has entirely disappeared. Thus any attempt to cling to the ego or to make it an effective source of action is doomed to frustration." Watts
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I feel as though we are born with an ego, yet it is transparent and we develop defining characteristics of or ego from then-on, through various means(friends, parents, environment, plain ol' growing up). Humankind needs you to have your ego in place to evolve and adapt to the environment. Your ego is your primal drive...it's a muscle that gets flexed. It's the one that keeps you driven to earn a living, asking out that hot chick you're into, standing up for yourself when you feel threatened or taken advantage of, life skills, etc...the reality is, is we(the universe) needs this internal drive to keep us all from stagnating and fucking-up in the big picture of things. (I don't think most people would fare-well with a permanently dissolved ego.)
and here is where the muscle comes into play. Your ego is like a muscle in the sense that in order for it to grow, is for you to not only break down, but repair. Ego loss representing the former, and the integration process representing the latter.
Most people (in the developed world) operate on a weakened(insecure) ego, and constantly trudge around bringing others down around them, doing nothing major to make themselves ultimately happy, complaining, and worst of all, sending negative vibes and energy into the air everywhere they bring their funk. The ego needs to be broken-down every so-often. It needs to be explored, exercised, humiliated, loved, questioned, and realized in order for it to be somewhat repaired and operating at a higher power. To break down the ego is true explore the nature of your true self...true desires and interests, true realizations, and true conflicts within. To transcend the present requires seriously letting go...of all conventional expectations, behavior, and assumptions and getting in touch/going beyond yourself, your surroundings, your feelings and desires/questions. In order for any of this to be "repaired" after being broken down, you need to be able to handle what you've done/experienced and integrate what you now know or where you have been...to be able to harness that power, you need to "repair" that muscle. Be good person as best you can each day. Take care of your body, treat others kindly, but don't be afraid to be yourself and stand up for what you believe in. If you can properly break down your ego and repair it, you'll be more in-touch with life , and you'll be able to "flex" that muscle in a more sophisticated fashion.
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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: Yogi1]
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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: brokentv]
#18783419 - 08/31/13 10:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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brokentv said: I enjoy this excerpt and felt like putting it here.
"For the ego exists in an abstract sense alone, being an abstraction from memory, somewhat like the illusory circle of fire made by a whirling torch. We can for example, imagine the path of a bird through the sky as a distinct line which it has taken. But this line is as abstract as a line of latitude. In concrete reality, the bird left no line, and, similarly, the past from which our ego is abstracted has entirely disappeared. Thus any attempt to cling to the ego or to make it an effective source of action is doomed to frustration." Watts

I like that, thanks for sharing
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newearthmud1212 said: I feel as though we are born with an ego, yet it is transparent and we develop defining characteristics of or ego from then-on, through various means(friends, parents, environment, plain ol' growing up). Humankind needs you to have your ego in place to evolve and adapt to the environment. Your ego is your primal drive...it's a muscle that gets flexed. It's the one that keeps you driven to earn a living, asking out that hot chick you're into, standing up for yourself when you feel threatened or taken advantage of, life skills, etc...the reality is, is we(the universe) needs this internal drive to keep us all from stagnating and fucking-up in the big picture of things. (I don't think most people would fare-well with a permanently dissolved ego.)
Why do you think that those things are dependent upon an ego?
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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: teknix]
#18783459 - 08/31/13 11:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm enjoying the intelligent discussion in this thread. Wasn't expecting, but it's awesome!
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I have a big ego and it causes big problems. I just recently found mushrooms as a way of combating it. I have found my use of psychedelics very therapeutic, and produced positive results every time.
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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: teknix]
#18783686 - 09/01/13 12:23 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Icelander said: How could you survive under those conditions without culture to protect you? The first lion would eat you on the spot cause you wouldn't think you were apart from it and run or defend yourself.
The lion is trying to eat you, not trying to eat yourself. Yourself wouldn't provide any nourishment to the lion.

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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: teknix]
#18783689 - 09/01/13 12:24 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: You don't understand. To be egoless would mean you are your family. You don't have a job because that's part of the ego. You wouldn't even have a sense of self. You'd just be. You wouldn't even be here. To live here its basically impossible without an ego. Idk a single person who would be.
Well, can you elaborate a bit, because these could mean multiple thing imo.
You "as the idea of yourself" wouldn't be here, but you as an organism would. You as the idea of yourself wouldn't have a job, but there could very well be a job, it just wouldn't be "yours", there could be work and family, they just wouldn't necessarily be considered as "yours".
Everything you said like a job or a family is unique. Idk if I'd even be an organism. I'd only be existing existence and it'd be the same as anyone else because it isn't unique. If I play a role I'm thinking I'm unique. I'm not. I'm nothing and everything because neither concepts exist in the ego state (this world). Without ego I'm everything which is also nothing. Both of which are the same because there is no right or wrong. They're just the same thing due to lack of uniqueness.
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Re: Destroying The Ego [Re: teknix]
#18783728 - 09/01/13 12:33 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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newearthmud1212 said: I feel as though we are born with an ego, yet it is transparent and we develop defining characteristics of or ego from then-on, through various means(friends, parents, environment, plain ol' growing up). Humankind needs you to have your ego in place to evolve and adapt to the environment. Your ego is your primal drive...it's a muscle that gets flexed. It's the one that keeps you driven to earn a living, asking out that hot chick you're into, standing up for yourself when you feel threatened or taken advantage of, life skills, etc...the reality is, is we(the universe) needs this internal drive to keep us all from stagnating and fucking-up in the big picture of things. (I don't think most people would fare-well with a permanently dissolved ego.)
Well, I don't truly know just yet...but I'm getting closer. I believe the ego keeps you "in the game", and helps keep you from boundless introspection and finding things out about yourself/humankind by creating boundaries and blockades "rationalities" to keep you within society's behavioral-constrains, as well as suppressing your animalistic instincts. Would you not agree?
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