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Getting started supplies?
    #18781802 - 08/31/13 03:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I just got my print today but for personal problem reasons I have to put everything on hold.My situational is I don't have any equipment yet not even a glove.What are your suggestions on what I need to stock pile until this issue blow over? I do have a fish tank


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Re: Getting started supplies? [Re: Enigma1]
    #18781816 - 08/31/13 04:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Getting started supplies? [Re: llama_police]
    #18781844 - 08/31/13 04:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

A fish tank is no good for this hobby really.

Plastic bins that can be drilled into multiple times are better.

Start here.

http://www.mushroomvideos.com/


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Re: Getting started supplies? [Re: Enigma1]
    #18781848 - 08/31/13 04:12 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Depending on your chosen technique, the main equipment can vary a lot.

Pressure cooker is good place to start.
Cleaning supplies: Bleach, hydoPerox, Alcohol, gloves, face mask, lysol neutra air.

Plastic totes for Fruitting Chambers, glove box, incubator, storing supplies.

Jars, PP5 containers, petris or small jars, grain bags if you like, slants

Scalple, inoc loop, syringes if you want.

RTV silicone, polyfil, tyvek sleeves, misting bottle, small fan, foil, gypsum, grain. . .

Fish tank is ok for Still Air Box but totes are lighter and mod-able.


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Re: Getting started supplies? [Re: llama_police]
    #18781853 - 08/31/13 04:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The youtube video 'Let's Grow Mushrooms' and making a spore syringe.


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Re: Getting started supplies? [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #18781874 - 08/31/13 04:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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elasticaltiger said:
The youtube video 'Let's Grow Mushrooms' and making a spore syringe.




Purchase the videos instead of watching on youtube and it will be the best money you'll spend on cultivation.

You should be able to acquire most supplies at local pharmacy, grocery store, hardware store, hydroponic store, etc.


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Re: Getting started supplies? [Re: llama_police]
    #18781879 - 08/31/13 04:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

well i'm assuming you want to do PF TEK in that cas you will need everything on this list:

brown rice flower
vermiculite and perlite
steril supplies(gloves,iso alcohol,sterilization lamp,cottonballs,hydrogen peroxide)
totes for fruiting chamber and glove box (TIT if needed)
pint mason jars
syringe or inoculation loop
paper tape
a drill and a drill bit (for making sgfc)

now a few things that you dont need but are always good to have extras
buckets
jars
totes
tyvek


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Re: Getting started supplies? [Re: llama_police]
    #18781888 - 08/31/13 04:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

lots of reading.

Here's the basics:

RR's "Let's Grow Mushrooms" DVDs (www.mushroomvideos.com)
A large tote to make into a Fruiting Chamber (FC)
Syringes at 12cc to 60cc.
Needles at 18 gauge 1.5" long
A Large tote to make an SAB
Shot Glass or the like for sucking up spore solution when making syringe.
Oust or Glade w/ Oust Technology
Isopropyl Alcohol @ 70% concentration.
Bleach for bleach+water mixture @ 10% bleach, 90% water
3 spray bottles, one for Alcohol, one for bleach+water & one for tap water for misting.
Paper towels.
Alcohol lamp or torch for flaming needles.
12, 1/2 pint Wide Mouth Jars
1 package Grain flour (Brown Rice, Rye, etc.)
1 package FINE vermiculite
Drill or nail to make holes in lids
Pot for steaming jars
Bowl & spoon for mixing ingredients
Large Grade Perlite
6500K rated light bulb (standard bulbs in a desk lamp work fine)
Water (not distilled or softened)


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Re: Getting started supplies? [Re: kinkaku]
    #18781891 - 08/31/13 04:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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The youtube video 'Let's Grow Mushrooms' and making a spore syringe.




Once again Elasticaltiger swoops in with the answers! ^^^This is what you need op. Or as llama simply said. "knowledge" Do your research and you will know exactly what you need :goodluck:


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Re: Getting started supplies? [Re: Stromrider]
    #18781911 - 08/31/13 04:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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lots of reading.

Here's the basics:

RR's "Let's Grow Mushrooms" DVDs (www.mushroomvideos.com)
A large tote to make into a Fruiting Chamber (FC)
Syringes at 12cc to 60cc.
Needles at 18 gauge 1.5" long
A Large tote to make an SAB
Shot Glass or the like for sucking up spore solution when making syringe.
Oust or Glade w/ Oust Technology
Isopropyl Alcohol @ 70% concentration.
Bleach for bleach water mixture @ 10% bleach, 90% water
3 spray bottles, one for Alcohol, one for bleach water & one for tap water for misting.
Paper towels.
Alcohol lamp or torch for flaming needles.
12, 1/2 pint Wide Mouth Jars
1 package Grain flour (Brown Rice, Rye, etc.)
1 package FINE vermiculite
Drill or nail to make holes in lids
Pot for steaming jars
Bowl & spoon for mixing ingredients
Large Grade Perlite
6500K rated light bulb (standard bulbs in a desk lamp work fine)
Water (not distilled or softened)




Well this^^ will work too :lol:


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Re: Getting started supplies? [Re: Stromrider]
    #18781929 - 08/31/13 04:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I forgot gloves :doh:


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Re: Getting started supplies? [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #18786447 - 09/01/13 06:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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mushrume man said:


Fish tank is ok for Still Air Box but totes are lighter and mod-able.



I going to drill holes depending on what's cheaper glass bit or plastic tub.


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Re: Getting started supplies? [Re: Trippy_Penguin]
    #18786498 - 09/01/13 06:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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elasticaltiger said:
The youtube video 'Let's Grow Mushrooms' and making a spore syringe.




Purchase the videos instead of watching on youtube and it will be the best money you'll spend on cultivation.

You should be able to acquire most supplies at local pharmacy, grocery store, hardware store, hydroponic store, etc.




The YouTube videos are uploaded by Roger himself.  You can by the DVD from the links in the YouTube video.


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Re: Getting started supplies? [Re: tbagtag]
    #18786503 - 09/01/13 06:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

a plastic tote is way cheaper than a glass bit.
Also, you'll, most likely, crack the glass on the first try, which aquariums are expensive.
I paid over $100 for my terrarium, which can't hold water.


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Re: Getting started supplies? [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #18786589 - 09/01/13 07:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Pressure cooker is what I'm saving for..  Keeping an eye out at garage sales but it costs as much as a new one to ship one you find on Craigslist.  eBay seems like a good place to look.

Anyone have any advise on size of pressure cooker? Would love to have a big all american pressure cooker but I can't afford.  What's a good price point?


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Re: Getting started supplies? [Re: William McCarty Jr]
    #18786624 - 09/01/13 07:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I got my AA930, which holds 14 quart jars, for a bit over $300.
My 925x All American sterilizer runs around $800+ and holds 10 quart jars without the insert.

I won't preach any other PC than an All American.
They're a bit more initially, but the quality assurance and longevity of the PC is worth it without a doubt.


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Re: Getting started supplies? [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #18786636 - 09/01/13 07:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I got my AA930, which holds 14 quart jars, for a bit over $300.
My 925x All American sterilizer runs around $800+ and holds 10 quart jars without the insert.

I won't preach any other PC than an All American.
They're a bit more initially, but the quality assurance and longevity of the PC is worth it without a doubt.




This is going to sound like a weird question...But can you stick a magnet to the bottom of your AA's and let me know if it sticks.  Reason I ask is because I want to move to induction cooking for my lab.  My current PC does not have a steel plate across the bottom so it will not work for induction.


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Re: Getting started supplies? [Re: tbagtag]
    #18786641 - 09/01/13 07:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

They're all spun aluminum, so it shouldn't work.
I can check in a few days.


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Re: Getting started supplies? [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #18786649 - 09/01/13 07:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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They're all spun aluminum, so it shouldn't work.
I can check in a few days.




This part I know, according to the induction cookers though some of them will have a steel plate across the bottom to help heat up the pot.  I mean it could be BS to get me to buy the thing but its worth checking.  I appreciate it, no rush.


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Re: Getting started supplies? [Re: tbagtag]
    #18786658 - 09/01/13 07:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I highly doubt there is one, since it takes 20 minutes at least for the 930 to heat up.


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Re: Getting started supplies? [Re: William McCarty Jr]
    #18786686 - 09/01/13 07:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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TranscendingLife said:
a plastic tote is way cheaper than a glass bit.
Also, you'll, most likely, crack the glass on the first try, which aquariums are expensive.
I paid over $100 for my terrarium, which can't hold water.



QFT!

Most of my experience with having glass tanks drilled is that a majority of them use a tempered glass bottom.  It will shatter immediately.  Tempered glass hates being altered with holes.  Get a plastic tub.  Most are in the $6-12 range.

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eBay seems like a good place to look.
Anyone have any advise on size of pressure cooker? Would love to have a big all american pressure cooker but I can't afford.  What's a good price point?



Ebay can be a great resource.  However whats in the picture and whats in the box when you get it sometimes differs.  I picked up my 16qt vintage presto from ebay.  "Works great" it said.  I paid almost $40 for shipping, because of the size...over 2 weeks later I still did not have it, and by the 3rd week when I finally got it, the label stated that it cost $12 to ship.  I appreciate and pay for handling time, but tracking info showed it only took 5 days to get to me....Gaskets were shot, and there was no jiggler included...I guess that it fell out of the bottom of the poorly made box somewhere in shipping.  After a few heated messages with him and ebay, I was refunded the difference of the shipping, and boy was he pissed about that.  Probably not as pissed as I was, but that is no way to do business. 

After it was said and done, I paid as much as a brand new unit after all the gaskets and jiggler and shipping on them was covered.  Start to finish it was over 1 month in trying to get a PC cheap. 

The only thing I got out of that ordeal is a super cool vintage yellow pressure cooker.  I guess I can't complain lol.

I would seriously suggest you look at new items.  Its less headache. MAKE SURE it will do 15 psi and has a gauge that tells you 15 psi.

As for size, I think the biggest suggestion is making sure there is enough head room for full quart jars.  A 16 qt presto fits 7 quart jars nice.  I don't know IF smaller models will have enough head room, but that with cost would be how I would make a purchase.

I can't say much for the AA models, I've never been around one....but they sure do look nice as shit!


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Re: Getting started supplies? [Re: Enigma1]
    #18787005 - 09/01/13 08:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I'm a noob myself, but I highly recommend this book:

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/psilocybin-mushroom-handbook-l-g-nicholas/1110896530?ean=9780932551719

Read it front to back (it's a short read, but very informative), and I would also recommend purchasing several canisters of the Lysol wet wipes for sterilization when you inoculate your jars. I used the "oven method" and used those wipes to clean every surface in my kitchen prior to inoculating and it went perfectly. A hefty spray of Lysol around the kitchen and in the oven 30 minutes prior would be helpful too.


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Re: Getting started supplies? [Re: AphexTwin]
    #18787035 - 09/01/13 09:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:facepalm:

That's just bad info.
Read on this site for up-to-date information.
Nothing moves quicker than the internet.


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Re: Getting started supplies? [Re: Enigma1]
    #18787059 - 09/01/13 09:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I just got my print today but for personal problem reasons I have to put everything on hold.My situational is I don't have any equipment yet not even a glove.What are your suggestions on what I need to stock pile until this issue blow over? I do have a fish tank




Don't stockpile anything.  It has been a bad idea.  Just get your stuff when you need it.  If you have to do something just save up for a big pressure cooker and some syringes and needles.  If you move you end up not having to carry stuff you can just buy it.


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Re: Getting started supplies? [Re: HypnotoadCroaked]
    #18787470 - 09/01/13 10:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Thank you sir!! Made up my mind to just buy a new one.  Found a 23 quart for 100$


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Re: Getting started supplies? [Re: William McCarty Jr]
    #18787585 - 09/01/13 10:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Thank you sir!! Made up my mind to just buy a new one.  Found a 23 quart for 100$



If it was a presto or a mirro, for that price you got ripped off.

If it was an AA for that price, it was a steal.


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Re: Getting started supplies? [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #18812982 - 09/07/13 08:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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:facepalm:

That's just bad info.
Read on this site for up-to-date information.
Nothing moves quicker than the internet.




Can you explain how that is "bad info"? I spent many an hours reading guides and threads on here, along with some other sites; and was told numerous times that book is incredibly useful for first time growers and a great reference to have handy. I understand nothing moves faster than the internet, but as a first timer with very little knowledge when I decided to give this a shot I found that book to be awesome.

Not that I discount the knowledge of anyone on here, because I've received great tips and suggestions; but the knowledge of a professional is invaluable. I'm not trying to start a flame war at all, I just don't see how recommending a book to someone is "bad info". If walking into a store and buying a good old-fashioned book is too archaic for someone; then hell just download a PDF of the book or buy it digitally.


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Re: Getting started supplies? [Re: AphexTwin]
    #18813462 - 09/07/13 11:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Where can you find a presto cheaper?  I'm all about shopping around but it seems like your going to pay that much if its in shipping or just flat cost seems like they are about the same.  I'm open to suggestion, or if you can point me in the right direction to get a deal.    I had to spend more than I wanted on my spores, so I'm holding on my pc.


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Re: Getting started supplies? [Re: William McCarty Jr]
    #18813482 - 09/07/13 11:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Can you explain how that is "bad info"?



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I would also recommend purchasing several canisters of the Lysol wet wipes for sterilization when you inoculate your jars. I used the "oven method" and used those wipes to clean every surface in my kitchen prior to inoculating and it went perfectly. A hefty spray of Lysol around the kitchen and in the oven 30 minutes prior would be helpful too.



Lysol does not sterilize, it says right on the can "Surface Sanitizer"....nothing about sterilization...

The "oven method" is bad practice....it is also a good way to get a contam...I know I know...it worked for you this time....but what about next time?

A simple search here with the term "oven method" will return a massive amount of failure attributed to it.

If you do not have access to a laminar flow hood, the next best thing is still air, not an oven that is constantly blowing everything around your work from the heat currents.

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William McCarty Jr said:
Where can you find a presto cheaper?  I'm all about shopping around but it seems like your going to pay that much if its in shipping or just flat cost seems like they are about the same.  I'm open to suggestion, or if you can point me in the right direction to get a deal.    I had to spend more than I wanted on my spores, so I'm holding on my pc.



http://www.amazon.com/Presto-01781-23-Quart-Pressure-Canner/dp/B0000BYCFU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1378618736&sr=8-1&keywords=presto+23


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I have industrial air metered sanitizer going 15 min all day for the past year the kind hospitals use and access to a fogger and 15 second micro bust dry alcohol spray.


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