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Im having trouble with telling the difference between racism and humor. I don't think racists are funny at all, but why is humor a little racist. case in point
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Re: Racist or funny [Re: Murph]
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I don't think it's racist at all. It's poking fun at culture and language, not supposed racial traits. IMO that movie was hilarious.
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Re: Racist or funny [Re: jvm]
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but that doesn't fully explain the use of blackface as used to entertain real racists. that is an explanation for why, but the reality is still racist, infact it doesn't even attempt to explain anything, it just offers a vehicle for racism.
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if it makes you laugh it's not racist unless you are.
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Re: Racist or funny [Re: druqs]
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if it makes you laugh it's not racist unless you are.
but someone has to say, ok blackface is funny, so is the way they sound, and we can make them stupid and violent.
even though it is totally racist by any objective standard, I find it funny.
You could say it is up to the observer but you'd have to disprove the facts supporting the humor.
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Well the satire is lost on some people.
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IMO the movie is meant to satirize the way America views other cultures (especially in film) just as much as it pokes fun at those cultures themselves. The crummy disguise is funny because it's such a half-assed effort. You would think that they would see right through the disguise but they don't.
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Re: Racist or funny [Re: psi]
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You would think that they would see right through the disguise but they don't
so we are idiots and the people on the other side are idiots.
it's a balance, but the racism is still motivating it. I don't see irony, please explain.
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The whole movie is being satirical it's called team America world police and the theme song is America fuck ya.
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I would like to think that such race-based humor is funny on the premise that some people out there actually think that way. in other words they are not making fun of the racial group, they are making fun of people who hold legitimate grudges based solely on race.
Dave Chappelle is a shining example. His content is almost all offensive, but it is absolutely hilarious because he is mostly poking fun at the fact that there really are racist people out there.
racist comedy is funny not because its racist, it's funny that there are racists in the first place.
Tl:Dr: Racist humor is making fun of racists, not race.
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Re: Racist or funny [Re: psi]
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They are represented as idiots because America sees them as idiots in popular culture. The disguise is mostly a physical comedy type bit though. Hollywood does a terrible job of fake beards in real life.
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Re: Racist or funny [Re: NWlight]
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except that we do kick ass and do police the world, that's (partially) truth.
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it's funny that there are racists in the first place.
this is the most American thing I've ever heard.
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it's funny that there are racists in the first place.
this is the most American thing I've ever heard.
haha how is me saying that "American?"
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Re: Racist or funny [Re: NWlight]
#18781914 - 08/31/13 04:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I find humor in slight racist jokes because it goes both ways, and just a joke
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Re: Racist or funny [Re: NWlight]
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but Americans come from a place where things like diversity are not only encouraged, they are enforced. Most countries everyone looks the same.
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If you're offended by Team America World Police or Borat you have missed the point and the creators did their jobs.
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Re: Racist or funny [Re: Murph]
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Re: Racist or funny [Re: NWlight]
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I can't get offended anymore (I just read a book by Sarah Silverman... yuck)
Im just looking at what is racist and why is it funny. It doesn't bother me that it's funny, but it shapes people's minds to think about people in a certain way. I don't think it's good for humor to be racist regardless of how funny it is.
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Fuck that listen to some Chris Rock he'll break it down for you.
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Re: Racist or funny [Re: NWlight]
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exaggerating how ridiculous racism really is
but doesn't this cheapen our own existence? and maybe make racism look attractive? Maybe we should just keep racism a bad thing and be mean to it no matter if it is funny or not.
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lazyfingers said: Im just looking at what is racist and why is it funny. It doesn't bother me that it's funny, but it shapes people's minds to think about people in a certain way. I don't think it's good for humor to be racist regardless of how funny it is.
I don't think the humor in that movie has much to do with purported "racial" attributes at all. It's culture that's being made fun of for the most part. Even the blackface thing is not really racial humor IMO. The joke is that the disguise is shitty, not that Middle Eastern people have dark skin.
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but doesn't this cheapen our own existence? and maybe make racism look attractive? Maybe we should just keep racism a bad thing and be mean to it no matter if it is funny or not.
Interesting to me how you are personifying racism.
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Re: Racist or funny [Re: NWlight]
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well im thinking, that everyone has a race (so we're all a little racist) ,but liking racist humor should always be looked down on instead of celebrated, just because it's racist.
that's what I mean by being mean.
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If everyone's overly afraid of being seen as racist then you run into problems too though. IMO culture should be fair game to poke fun of a little.
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Re: Racist or funny [Re: psi]
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If everyone's overly afraid of being seen as racist then you run into problems too though.
yes you're right, it's probably a matter of taste, they should label racist things maybe. We need paid multiethnic racism committees, best job ever.
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lazyfingers said: well im thinking, that everyone has a race (so we're all a little racist) ,but liking racist humor should always be looked down on instead of celebrated, just because it's racist.
that's what I mean by being mean.
Abraham Lincoln was a huge fan of colored jokes and he signed the emancipation proclamation
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Re: Racist or funny [Re: NWlight]
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and he got shot in the head, didn't turn out so well in the long run did it Abe?
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Re: Racist or funny [Re: NWlight]
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He was probably shot by a racist, however.
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but that doesn't fully explain the use of blackface as used to entertain real racists. that is an explanation for why, but the reality is still racist, infact it doesn't even attempt to explain anything, it just offers a vehicle for racism.
yeah i know. i just think discrimination or segregation of any human being is wrong and i feel as if there is so much emotion already tied to the very word racism that debating about whether it should be used as an outlet for humor or not is pretty moot. Obviously it is funny but at the same time that humor can be brought out through the feelings of becoming tense at viewing such images that are supposed to make people uncomfortable. Common sense tells me that muslims who wear turbans are not terrorists. Yet i can look at it satirically and laugh.
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Re: Racist or funny [Re: jvm]
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Yet i can look at it satirically and laugh.
the problem with me is every time I see a turban I laugh, but these are normal people not just dot heads. society is making me look down on them.
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if it makes you laugh it's not racist unless you are.
but someone has to say, ok blackface is funny, so is the way they sound, and we can make them stupid and violent.
even though it is totally racist by any objective standard, I find it funny.
You could say it is up to the observer but you'd have to disprove the facts supporting the humor.
If they can't take the joke I say f em Quit being a whiney baby. There are more Polack ,Irish and Italian jokes than you could tell in a lifetime. Why should the Sandniggers get away scott free?
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Re: Racist or funny [Re: vinsue]
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Yet i can look at it satirically and laugh.
the problem with me is every time I see a turban I laugh, but these are normal people not just dot heads. society is making me look down on them.
i can be pretty cynical about this stuff but i have to take at least 30 seconds out of the day to laugh at just how fucking stupidly funny society and culture really is.
it implemented the idea but you can choose to take a step back and see it for what it really is, either emotional manipulation or social manipulation.
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if it makes you laugh it's not racist unless you are.
but someone has to say, ok blackface is funny, so is the way they sound, and we can make them stupid and violent.
even though it is totally racist by any objective standard, I find it funny.
You could say it is up to the observer but you'd have to disprove the facts supporting the humor.
If they can't take the joke I say f em Quit being a whiney baby. There are more Polack ,Irish and Italian jokes than you could tell in a lifetime. Why should the Sandniggers get away scott free?
This thread is about to spiral into extremely racist non-satirical stupidity.
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lazyfingers said: well im thinking, that everyone has a race (so we're all a little racist) ,but liking racist humor should always be looked down on instead of celebrated, just because it's racist.
that's what I mean by being mean.
Sometimes using humor about stereotypes is a good way to discredit the stereotype, I wouldn't call that celebrating racism.
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Re: Racist or funny [Re: Murph]
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Sometimes using humor about stereotypes is a good way to discredit the stereotype, I wouldn't call that celebrating racism.
but it isn't discrediting it, it is enforcing it. Especially in the video above, it shows stupid americans and stupid muslims, those are bad stereotypes and shouldn't be encouraged.
Jewish people are funny but damn.
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Yet i can look at it satirically and laugh.
the problem with me is every time I see a turban I laugh, but these are normal people not just dot heads. society is making me look down on them.
A lot of people see Sihks wearing turbans and think they're Muslims.
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Sometimes using humor about stereotypes is a good way to discredit the stereotype, I wouldn't call that celebrating racism.
but it isn't discrediting it, it is enforcing it. Especially in the video above, it shows stupid americans and stupid muslims, those are bad stereotypes and shouldn't be encouraged.
Jewish people are funny but damn.
The video was stupid, but sometimes characters in a TV show can act racist, but they show how stupid they really are, for example Micheal Scott in "The Office", he would always say racist and sexist comments, but his character was of a ignorant office manager.
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Re: Racist or funny [Re: qman]
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an ignorant white male, please go on,
this is the media. it is a problem.
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Re: Racist or funny [Re: Murph]
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if it makes you laugh it's not racist unless you are.
but someone has to say, ok blackface is funny, so is the way they sound, and we can make them stupid and violent.
even though it is totally racist by any objective standard, I find it funny.
You could say it is up to the observer but you'd have to disprove the facts supporting the humor.
If they can't take the joke I say f em Quit being a whiney baby. There are more Polack ,Irish and Italian jokes than you could tell in a lifetime. Why should the Sandniggers get away scott free?
This thread is about to spiral into extremely racist non-satirical stupidity.
Um Er no the truth hurts more than satire if you expect to be accepted by any culture you should conform to their norms and morays. Fact is that we can't accept everyone for themselves. and they may not like how our culture lives. I dare you to go to an Arab or Irish home for a wake . We may not like each other but man up
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...the fuck are you talking about? Nobody has made a coherent statement since like page 1 of this thread.
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Re: Racist or funny [Re: Murph]
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I could not follow that post either. I'm not sure what the example of a wake at an Irish or Arab home means.
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I saw a poor old lady fall over today on the sidewalk!! At least I presume she was poor - she only had $1.20 in her purse.
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My girlfriend thinks that I'm a stalker. Well, she's not exactly my girlfriend yet.
Damn squid head, almost 10 years here and 55 posts?
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Racism is the view of superiority over other cultures
Asians good at math, blacks good at sports, whites great at swimming? <- all stereotypical and slightly racist, but in a uncle tom sort of way
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My girlfriend thinks that I'm a stalker. Well, she's not exactly my girlfriend yet.
Damn squid head, almost 10 years here and 55 posts?
Get busy, man... . . . 
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I needed pedo to keep the racist away!
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im also offended by what I say sometimes, but I think Im a closet hetero diversity expert.
wait, there have to be words for nonracists and nonchildmolesters,
why is our language all negative when I want to say something positive?
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shroomerite 
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