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Re: Obama is full of it. [Re: zappaisgod]
#18816984 - 09/08/13 09:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Obama is full of it. [Re: x Ju x]
#18817386 - 09/08/13 11:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well I guess I agree. Wonder where she stood on Bush's wars?
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Re: Obama is full of it. [Re: Icelander]
#18817866 - 09/09/13 05:35 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Do you not see a difference?
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Re: Obama is full of it. [Re: zappaisgod]
#18818441 - 09/09/13 10:38 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Do you not see a difference?
I do , the bush wars cost us wayyyyy more. Both in lives and dollars. But luckily for all of us Bush was smart enough to enact a war tax like every president before him since 1812 to pay for it, otherwise wed be up to our eyeballs in debt right now.
"He has not developed any significant capability in respect to weapons of mass destruction, he is unable to project CONVENTIONAL power against his neighbors" -Colon Powell in 2001.
So in one war we fought against a guy on false wmd pretenses,who couldnt fight back, whos military we had already decimated when they tried to run away out of Kuwait, and once we got there we just drove around in humvees for 10 years gettin blown up , or doing gods work , according to some geniuses.
In the war were about to have now, The guy can strike back, has a military , has chemicals weapons , but were not invading were just gunna drop bombs and shoot missiles, as long as no one shoots back.
Neither Assad or Saddam ever attacked the US, ( allegedly saddam plotted to kill bush)and they were both our allies at one time. Syria was our ally against Iraq in 91.
n 1988, Saddam gasses Kurdish resistance forces, but the relationship with Iraq at the time was deemed too important to throw away over it The United States did not even impose sanctions. Two decades later Rumsfeld and other members of the Bush administration repeatedly cited Hussein’s use of chemical weapons against his own people as a justification for invading Iraq There are some ironic similarities too.
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Re: Obama is full of it. [Re: psilynut]
#18818508 - 09/09/13 11:02 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Saddam attacked our ally, was an international menace and violated the terms of surrender he agreed to. Assad has done none of those things. Further the UN, the Arab League and Congress all signed off. In addition, about 50 other nations joined us.
Do you still not see a difference? Because if you don't you are utterly lost.
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Re: Obama is full of it. [Re: zappaisgod]
#18818711 - 09/09/13 12:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: There is no WW3 imminent and Obama has proven himself to be an idiot from the get go. His only skill is suckering schmucks into hiring him. Listen to the American People? He doesn't even listen to himself. http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/obama-and-biden-have-said-military-action-without-congressio
“The president does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation,” Obama said in 2008.
The only reason this is happening is because of his ego over backing his stupid ass into a corner last year with his red line pronouncement. Fucking idiot.
He wasn't president in 2008...Now that he is, he's going to grab as much power as he can. Every president had done that. I can't imagine why you'd be surprised by this.
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Re: Obama is full of it. [Re: Enlil]
#18818744 - 09/09/13 12:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't think any except for FDR's court packing scheme have had quite the chutzpah this cunt has. He is also one of the most egregiously lying pieces of shit to ever inhabit the Earth, not just the White House. He gets away with it because of Donovan McNabb.
McNabb was never any good.
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Re: Obama is full of it. [Re: zappaisgod]
#18818774 - 09/09/13 12:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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You only feel that way because he's on the other team. Both Bushes made huge power grabs.
I love how you rationalize us spending billions of dollars on wars based on the UN approving it. If the UN approves spending our money on buying Kim Jong Un a jet, would you be okay with that?
Saddam, the Taliban, and Assad have never been a threat to us.
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Re: Obama is full of it. [Re: Enlil]
#18818820 - 09/09/13 12:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enlil said: You only feel that way because he's on the other team. Both Bushes made huge power grabs.
Name 'emQuote:
I love how you rationalize us spending billions of dollars on wars based on the UN approving it. If the UN approves spending our money on buying Kim Jong Un a jet, would you be okay with that?
LOL, that is not the only reason. You know better than that course of argument, shyster.Quote:
Saddam, the Taliban, and Assad have never been a threat to us.
Saddam invaded our ally and the Taliban gave a base of operations and sanctuary to the assholes who pulled off 9/11. What has Assad done that comes even close to that?
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Re: Obama is full of it. [Re: zappaisgod]
#18818856 - 09/09/13 01:07 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Name 'em
Here are a few: http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/08/71614?currentPage=all
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LOL, that is not the only reason. You know better than that course of argument, shyster.
You're the one that mentioned the UN.Quote:
Saddam invaded our ally
over 20 years ago, sure. He posed no threat in 2003. Your argument that he violated his agreement is just ridiculous. Spending $1.9 trillion to punish someone for breaking an agreement is beyond foolish, and I don't believe that YOU even support such a waste of money for that purpose.Quote:
and the Taliban gave a base of operations and sanctuary to the assholes who pulled off 9/11.
Those assholes were mostly from Saudi Arabia, and they trained in the U.S. among other places. I've seen no evidence that the Taliban funded their training or supported it in any way.
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Re: Obama is full of it. [Re: Enlil]
#18818934 - 09/09/13 01:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enlil said:
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zappaisgod said: Name 'em
Here are a few: http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/08/71614?currentPage=all
LOL
I don't see that as Presidential power grabs since Congress passed the Patriot Act and I don't consider waterboarding torture any more than I consider the bar exam as torture. Obama has far surpassed Bush on surveillance and kept the prisoners in Guantanamo. What they list is nothing close to what Obama has done in Libya and is trying to do in Syria and his other activity in granting waivers from legislation for favored actors affected by his Obamacare bullshit. Fuck one, fuck all, I say.Quote:
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LOL, that is not the only reason. You know better than that course of argument, shyster.
You're the one that mentioned the UN.
Along with several other distinctions I drew. See below.Quote:
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Saddam invaded our ally
over 20 years ago, sure. He posed no threat in 2003. Your argument that he violated his agreement is just ridiculous. Spending $1.9 trillion to punish someone for breaking an agreement is beyond foolish, and I don't believe that YOU even support such a waste of money for that purpose.
There was a Congressional Authorization to Use Military Force. Pay attention to the word "Congressional". It is very important in this context.
I do not believe that you are correct about the dollar amount but it wasn't 20 years old in 2003, was it?. Even the feckless cunt Clinton bombed them. Saddam was under an obligation to open up and didn't do it. There was a surrender agreement and either you enforce contracts or you don't have contracts. Do I think it was a mistake not to have taken him out in 1990? You fucking bet I do.Quote:
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and the Taliban gave a base of operations and sanctuary to the assholes who pulled off 9/11.
Those assholes were mostly from Saudi Arabia, and they trained in the U.S. among other places. I've seen no evidence that the Taliban funded their training or supported it in any way.
I didn't say they did. I said they gave them a base of operations and sanctuary. Pay attention to the words, shyster. It is your stock in trade.
Oh yeah, there was also Congressional authorization far that as well.
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#18818969 - 09/09/13 01:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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You have a pretty consistent history of endorsing actions by members of your chosen team and damning those same actions by members of the opposite team. Your tribalism blinds you. If you could step back from it for just a few seconds, you'd see that both teams are pretty much identical.
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Re: Obama is full of it. [Re: Enlil]
#18818985 - 09/09/13 01:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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If by "identical" you mean both teams suck, you're correct.
If by "identical" you mean both teams suck the same way or want the same things, you're incorrect.
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They want the same things, generally. They both want a more powerful federal government and a reduction in civil rights. The only real difference is in what specific powers they want and what rights they want curtailed.
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Re: Obama is full of it. [Re: Enlil]
#18819126 - 09/09/13 02:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enlil said: You have a pretty consistent history of endorsing actions by members of your chosen team and damning those same actions by members of the opposite team. Your tribalism blinds you. If you could step back from it for just a few seconds, you'd see that both teams are pretty much identical.
Bullshit. There are posts after post of me supporting the surveillance under Obama. The fact that I can see a clear distinction between Syria and Iraq/Afghanistan and you can't speaks more to your blinkers than mine.
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Re: Obama is full of it. [Re: zappaisgod]
#18819150 - 09/09/13 02:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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1.9 trillion dollars spent in Iraq because saddam broke an agreement...Do you really think that's worth spending nearly $6,000 for every man, woman, and child in the U.S.?
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Re: Obama is full of it. [Re: Enlil]
#18819172 - 09/09/13 02:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Like I said I think your cost is fucked http://nationalpriorities.org/cost-of/
We have a $16T debt and in 2011 alone we gave away a trillion dollars in government largesse to losers and bums. Since the Iraq War resumed in 2003 we have spent less that a $T on it.
We spent that money since 2003 in Iraq because we didn't do what should have done in 1990. And it is fucking peanuts compared to what else the federal government is spending. Peanuts.
In just five years Obama has managed to eradicate any credibility we might have to influence the world to not be assholes.
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Re: Obama is full of it. [Re: zappaisgod]
#18819198 - 09/09/13 02:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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The CBO came up with the $1.9 trillion figure, not me.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/10/24/us-iraq-usa-funding-idUSN2450753720071024
Also, another half a trillion for the war in Afghanistan. Sounds like a great use of that money considering our whole reason for going was to get a guy that turned out to be living in Pakistan.
That's 15% of the national debt, right there. What did we get for that 15%? Are we safer? Did our standard of living improve?
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Re: Obama is full of it. [Re: Enlil]
#18819288 - 09/09/13 03:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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The CBO also said that Obamacare would be cost neutral. They have less credibility than a defense attorney.
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