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Re: Christianity On Psychedelics (moved) [Re: Asante]
#18780367 - 08/31/13 06:13 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Jesus Christ said he was Jesus Christ and everybody put him down for it
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Re: Christianity On Psychedelics [Re: GreySatyr]
#18780917 - 08/31/13 11:00 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I first tried mushrooms in bible college. half way through the trip I realized I was God. This was very unsettling at first and so I tried to play worship hillsong music to get my head in the right space again. But western christianity does not vibe at all with the psychedelic experience and so started my complete disillusionment with it. psychedelics are all about unity and oneness; the religion of christianity is built on the notion of separation/division, it would not exist otherwise.
1)psychedelics are truth 2)communing with god (my true self) is why I use psychedelics 3)if Im doing psychedelics, of course they are righteous and justified in the eyes of god. the eyes of god are my eyes and your eyes.
true christianity = death of self, resurrection of SELF (the christ story)
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Re: Christianity On Psychedelics (moved) [Re: Asante]
#18780961 - 08/31/13 11:14 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said: <img src='http://www.shroomery.org/forums/images/moved.gif'> This thread was moved from The Psychedelic Experience.
Reason: Best suited here, please give it serious respectful replies
Are there Christians on the Shroomery?
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Re: Christianity On Psychedelics [Re: GreySatyr] 1
#18780985 - 08/31/13 11:23 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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GreyMorph said: So I have a few questions for Christians...keep in mind that this is a question specifically for Christians that actually believe and have faith in god and Jesus, not for guys who have read the bibles or went to church or anything like the but for people who truly have faith.
1. How do you feel about psychedelics? 2. Have you ever used psychedelics in an attempt to commune with god? 3. Do you believe that your use of psychedelics is righteous and justified in the eyes of god?
I'm agnostic by the way.
News Flash!: History is on-going. Here is evidence that early Christians used Amanita muscaria mushrooms: http://distelrath.tripod.com/fabbro.htm I am living evidence that 20th-21st century Christian Gnostics also used psychedelic mushrooms. Here is a pic of my votive table, replete with symbols, including a mushroom. Mushrooms serve a sacramental function for me. At the end of the day, the depictions of Y'shua ben Miriam (Iesous Son of Mary) from the Bible, the Christian Apocrypha, and the Nag Hammadi library, all taken together, form a profile of a kind of human being (mystic, psychic, prophet, healer, teacher, visionary) that mushrooms help me get a better understanding of for my own development. I do not strive to believe in the God-Realization of a 1st century Jewish peasant, I strive to have the same Realization, to Realize "the mind of Christ, and in so doing to "Know Thyself," as the Delphic/Socratic statement dictates.
My God is a Panentheistic version, not a Theistic version, nor a Pantheistic version. Panentheism simply suggests that the Eternal co-exists with space-time, but not in a dualistic way, or else there could be no communication between separate modes of being. Creation and Creator are co-extensive, gradations of Reality, symbolized by the spheres on the Kabbalistic Tree. Like the Buddhist formula that Nirvana is Samsara, form is not separate from the formless. Creation is not, as orthodoxy asserts, separate from God. It is a paradox, perhaps akin to light behaving as waves and particles in a scientific idiom.
There are therefore no "eyes of God" in ANY anthropomorphic sense, so your question cannot be answered because it is constructed on false premises. God is not an Old Bearded Guy in the Sky. God is Spirit, and Spirit (Latin: Spiritus, Greek: Pneuma, Hebrew: Ruach) is an archaic word for Consciousness or Awareness. Consciousness is therefore the Ultimate reality, formless and eternal, intelligent and compassionate. If "God is Love," it is agapé love, which is equivalent to the Buddhist karuna in meaning, compassion. The Qur'an also states "God the Merciful, the Compassionate at the beginning of every sura. This is love as a state of being, not interpersonal love. It is universal in nature. Inasmuch as "God is love," Universal Mind is the metaphysical infrastructure of Reality, to use philosophical terms to explain religious language. Universal Mind is called the Logos, usually translated as "word" in the New Testament. To have one's human mind suffused by the Logos, the Universal Mind, is to "be in Christ," biblically speaking. It is evidenced by increased compassion, and a tendency to constellate synchronicities around oneself - a modern word for miracles. But this is just my 2¢.
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Re: Christianity On Psychedelics (moved) [Re: Yogi1]
#18781056 - 08/31/13 11:46 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've seen Christians post on the shroomery. That's the reason I posted the thread here. I know of at least two. I can't remember their names though.
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MarkostheGnostic said:
News Flash!: History is on-going. Here is evidence that early Christians used Amanita muscaria mushrooms: http://distelrath.tripod.com/fabbro.htm I am living evidence that 20th-21st century Christian Gnostics also used psychedelic mushrooms. Here is a pic of my votive table, replete with symbols, including a mushroom. Mushrooms serve a sacramental function for me. At the end of the day, the depictions of Y'shua ben Miriam (Iesous Son of Mary) from the Bible, the Christian Apocrypha, and the Nag Hammadi library, all taken together, form a profile of a kind of human being (mystic, psychic, prophet, healer, teacher, visionary) that mushrooms help me get a better understanding of for my own development. I do not strive to believe in the God-Realization of a 1st century Jewish peasant, I strive to have the same Realization, to Realize "the mind of Christ, and in so doing to "Know Thyself," as the Delphic/Socratic statement dictates.
My God is a Panentheistic version, not a Theistic version, nor a Pantheistic version. Panentheism simply suggests that the Eternal co-exists with space-time, but not in a dualistic way, or else there could be no communication between separate modes of being. Creation and Creator are co-extensive, gradations of Reality, symbolized by the spheres on the Kabbalistic Tree. Like the Buddhist formula that Nirvana is Samsara, form is not separate from the formless. Creation is not, as orthodoxy asserts, separate from God. It is a paradox, perhaps akin to light behaving as waves and particles in a scientific idiom.
There are therefore no "eyes of God" in ANY anthropomorphic sense, so your question cannot be answered because it is constructed on false premises. God is not an Old Bearded Guy in the Sky. God is Spirit, and Spirit (Latin: Spiritus, Greek: Pneuma, Hebrew: Ruach) is an archaic word for Consciousness or Awareness. Consciousness is therefore the Ultimate reality, formless and eternal, intelligent and compassionate. If "God is Love," it is agapé love, which is equivalent to the Buddhist karuna in meaning, compassion. The Qur'an also states "God the Merciful, the Compassionate at the beginning of every sura. This is love as a state of being, not interpersonal love. It is universal in nature. Inasmuch as "God is love," Universal Mind is the metaphysical infrastructure of Reality, to use philosophical terms to explain religious language. Universal Mind is called the Logos, usually translated as "word" in the New Testament. To have one's human mind suffused by the Logos, the Universal Mind, is to "be in Christ," biblically speaking. It is evidenced by increased compassion, and a tendency to constellate synchronicities around oneself - a modern word for miracles. But this is just my 2¢.

Yes! the universal mind is the mind of Christ. have you heard of Tim Freke? he's pretty cool.
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Re: Christianity On Psychedelics (moved) [Re: Agentchewy]
#18781518 - 08/31/13 02:24 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Blasphemy! This man is god vvv
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Re: Christianity On Psychedelics [Re: mt cleverest]
#18781591 - 08/31/13 02:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes! the universal mind is the mind of Christ. have you heard of Tim Freke? he's pretty cool.
Yes, we're friends on FB. I own all the books he wrote with Peter Gandy on Gnosticism.
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Oh boy. Opened a can of worms.
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MarkostheGnostic said: Yes, we're friends on FB. I own all the books he wrote with Peter Gandy on Gnosticism.
Cool! ya, I just finished reading "the gospel and the second coming." After getting into psychedelics pretty heavily a few yrs ago, I went from popular christianity straight into nonduality, and have been trying to reconcile the two ever since. That book was the missing piece. it really confirmed many things Ive been feeling about Christ(not to be confused with jesus lol).
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