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Gorlami



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Tripping with a first timer
#18780257 - 08/31/13 03:21 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Greetings fellow forum members!
I just joined this forum days ago and wanted to get ya'll to chime in. 
Me and my lady friend are going to drop mushrooms tommorow and it's going to be her first time. I want her to enjoy the experience, as it's going to be her first time exploring the effects of a psychadelic drug. We've done MDMA together on numerous occasions and feel very comfortable with one another. As for myself, I wouldn't consider myself an avid psychonaut, having only done mushrooms 20 times or so in a 10 year span (i'm now 28), the last time being last weekend. It was a glowing experience for me and I couldn't stop running my mouth about it. I peaked her interest and after speaking of all the positive things i've experienced and learned, she would like to try it as well. I made sure to send her a bunch of FAQ's and good primers for those interested and she has read all of them.
Now here are my concerns. Firstly, I really want to be able to gauge the right amount of mushrooms for her. 100mg of pure MDMA has her eyes almost glued shut and she's feeling a heavy body load... case in point, she's tiny. She weighs 45KG/100lbs and is 5'4". I was planning on taking 2 grams so that I could at least take care of her if she needs my attention. I was thinking 1.5g for her?
It's just the dosage that worries me, I don't want the experience to be a difficult one and I worry how she could react. I've only bad tripped once, and that has only made me have more respect for the drug. Although I will admit that a bad trip was exactly what I needed at the time.
Otherwise, I think I have all my bases covered. I live on a golf course so it will be easy to escape and enjoy the outdoors if we feel the need to. We both enjoy the same types of music and often share music between ourselves so that isn't a concern either.
Maybe i'm just being paranoid, any words of advice?
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Re: Tripping with a first timer [Re: Gorlami]
#18780268 - 08/31/13 03:30 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Your job as a guide is to keep things positive.
Intend to have fun.
Sex on shrooms is great too, but perhaps too much for a first timer. Let her get the hang of it first. If she has a good time, you can try sexy time on a future trip. Sex can emotionally overwhelm a woman especially during a trip.
Be prepared for her to curl up in a ball and meditate for six hours, while you have all the energy in the world and want to go exploring. Too bad. It is her trip. Be there for her don't require her be there for you. Let her have her first trip.
We all know music is great, but be prepared to shut it off if it gets too intense for her.
Listen to her suggestions, and keep her hydrated.
Have you ever made tea?
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Gorlami



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Re: Tripping with a first timer [Re: Rose]
#18780284 - 08/31/13 03:59 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey Cervantes, thank you for the reply. 
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Cervantes said: Intend to have fun.
Indeed, having fun is the prime directive. It's easy to lose sight of that, especially when putting emphasis on preparedness.
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Cervantes said: Sex on shrooms is great too, but perhaps too much for a first timer. Let her get the hang of it first. If she has a good time, you can try sexy time on a future trip. Sex can emotionally overwhelm a woman especially during a trip.
I wasn't really counting on it, but who knows, it could happen. 
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Cervantes said: Be prepared for her to curl up in a ball and meditate for six hours, while you have all the energy in the world and want to go exploring. Too bad. It is her trip. Be there for her don't require her be there for you. Let her have her first trip.
Good point... I think i'll take a threshold dose and smoke up. I wouldn't want to have her feel guilty about anything if I can't handle myself. :S
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Cervantes said: Have you ever made tea?
I can't say i've used the steeping method or LemonTEK. Seeing how she eats like a bird, maybe that would be a lot easier on her stomach?
Also, should I use caution and advise that she doesn't smoke weed if she asks to? Or is it best to smoke up on the come up so that it won't blow her mind and surprise her?
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Re: Tripping with a first timer [Re: Gorlami]
#18780310 - 08/31/13 04:33 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Good questions and many of the answers depend on her. You know her. I do not.
I would avoid sex unless she initiates it. It ROCKS though. But let her have her first trip. Sex will happen later even if she never trips again. 
I really think if you take 2g she can take 2g. If you are splitting an eighth, go even or give her the higher dose. The goal of being a guide is to keep her safe and happy, but it is also to give her a chance to trip. Usually I suggest lower doses for first timers, but 2g is above the threshold and you are pretty experienced. In groups, people tend to trip similarly to each other, it is tripping alone that can become weird. If you can handle 2g easily, let her try it too. If it shoots her into space, you will have the ability to guide her. Guiding can be boring. Often it is just letting a first timer have their experience, while you are in a similar mindset to aid communication.
Of course, she may be down like a clown Charlie Brown, an then you will BOTH have a blast, but there is no telling at this point.
Tea and the lemon tek can intensify things, while shortening the duration. But also, tea makes a guy look cool in his gals eyes. It is like cooking for her. It is a way to increase the odds of her actually tripping, and if she tripped balls, she will come down sooner. If you make it right, it will help insure she actually trips. It can be very disappointing to prepare for a first trip and then have it go bunk.
Weed will intensify things. I love it. I often toke before the peak to get my trip started. But again, it intensifies things. You know her, I do not. I don't think it should be off limits, especially if she is experienced. Let her make the call. But really, a session 30 minutes after dosing really gets things going. And weed is shorter in duration than shrooms, so when she comes down from weed, her trip will be greatly lessened unless she tokes again. It is a great way to give her some intensity, while shortening the duration, just like tea. Also weed really helps the visuals, which most people expect from their first trip.
Just suggestions, but you are coming at this with maturity, and therefore I think you can take this to an intensity I wouldn't suggest to many newbie Shroomerites. 
Good luck and no matter what, please let us know how it goes. Your feedback improves our ability to offer advice to others in the future.
Search for Don Quixote's Mint Tea Tek. It has WAY too much info on how to make tea.
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Re: Tripping with a first timer [Re: Rose]
#18780325 - 08/31/13 05:01 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cervantes, you are the man, thanks for putting so much care into your responses.
You're right on all fronts, I can only guide her experience, not control it. Fits my style anyways, I wouldn't know how to do it any other way.
Really great advice. You're absolutely right about the groupthink phenomenon when tripping with others. I'll take the same dose as her so as to not make her feel alone in the effects she's feeling.
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But also, tea makes a guy look cool in his gals eyes. It is like cooking for her.
Thanks wingman. 
I'll give an update to this thread once everything has transpired.
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Re: Tripping with a first timer [Re: Gorlami]
#18780547 - 08/31/13 08:25 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Good luck!
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Re: Tripping with a first timer [Re: GreySatyr]
#18792781 - 09/03/13 12:08 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hello friends!
As promised, here is an account of what happened last night.
My girlfriend and I both met up at my place at roughly 1:00am, both having gone out to hang with some friends beforehand. We were both at baseline at this point, I had smoked a joint earlier, but by then the effects have subsided. I suggested eating the mushrooms, not sure whether she felt up to it considering the time it was. We both have Monday off... suffice to say, it was reason enough to do it.
We both weighed 1.75g of dried cubensis mushrooms each and I then chopped it up finely so that it would be easier to swallow quickly. We both chase it with orange juice and I queue up some videos for us to watch while we wait. We both haven't eaten in over 6 hours, the wait wouldn't be a long one We mostly talk until there was no denying the mushrooms were kicking in. I decide to put some calming music on that we both enjoy because the TV show we were watching was beginning to be overly complex to follow... plus it seemed ridiculous to sink our concentration on something so banal.
At this point, my girlfriend was looking around in awe as colors seemed more vivid and warm to her. She was fixated on an abstract oil painting on my wall, surprised at the shift in her perception, colors melting and flowing into neighboring ones. This didn't last long, she closed her eyes, and then got lost into the music. I did my own thing and was just dancing alone enjoying the music.
At this point, it got a bit weird, she wasn't saying much and when she finally lifted her face, she had been crying! I smile at her and she smiles back, no cause for alarm, the smile was genuine. She tells me that she's thinking of her friends and how much she loves them. Recalling early moments in their friendship in grade school. How she would do anything for them. How she saw me as a kind and loving person and she kept breaking down with what seemed like tears of joy. This continued for almost one hour, when finally she tells me to close the music. GOOD IDEA i thought, I was getting a bit emotional myself, lol. In retrospect, the music really was beautiful. Clean vocals, good beat with amazing instrumentals...
I poked fun of her crying in a playful manner and her spirit is quickly lifted up. She tells me that mushrooms were like nothing she's ever experienced, she couldn't believe how much emotion welled up inside of her. She tells me that this is exactly what she needed. On my end, I personally felt amazing, alive and in control.
She's much less emotional at this point. I suggest we go explore outside and with a bit of encouragement she accepts. It's 4am, we feel brave and want to go sneak onto the golf course close to my place. It's a bit cold outside and she's not dressed appropriately. I lend her some clothes and let her put them on. She starts to laugh hysterically, my clothes are absolutely huge on her! (I'm 6'1" and she's 5"4' and half my weight.) I lend her a belt and just looking at her struggle keep the pants up had me laughing to tears. Finally she's all dressed, looking like a thug and we're ready to go.
As we're walking through the obstacles to get to the first green on the golf course we can find, anxiety is welling up inside of me. This is private property, what if we get caught! Walking there was almost eerie, the only sound was the whistling of far off cars and the rustling of the trees. She was hallucinating at this point, bemused by the look of the ground, telling me it was undulated. I personally didn't get that many visuals, everything seemed to be breathing and textures were unbelievably interesting. We finally get to the green, safe and sound and have a look in the distance down the fairway with trees at both our sides. What a feeling it was to sit there and just take it all in. There was a lightning storm in the distance and it was incredibly entertaining to see the light rip through the clouds and sky.
We go explore further and I run up a little mountain to see what's on the other side. It took me a while to realize it, but out in the distance there was someone patrolling on their 4 wheeler. I'm all of the sudden extremely concerned. I tell my girlfriend that we're not alone and that we should go. Her having not seen what I've seen what just telling me I hallucinated it... I start questioning what I saw, thinking that maybe she was right. We both wanted to go back, it was so peaceful and beautiful. I wanted to believe I didn't see it, but thankfully I resolved to leave, because just as we left, we both saw the light shinning through the woods coming our way. FIEW, we left at the right moment.
We got back to my place at around 5:30 am, just talked about a whole lot of things and put on an anime movie while we were coming down.
I would classify this as a level 2 trip. I'm glad it didn't get to be more then that. We had a great time of it and are both looking forwards to trying it again together when the time is right.
Overall... AMAZING. I apologize for the long post, I hope it's within forum guidelines.
Cheers!
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Re: Tripping with a first timer [Re: Gorlami]
#18792828 - 09/03/13 12:29 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks for that.
So happy it worked out.
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Re: Tripping with a first timer [Re: Rose]
#18793045 - 09/03/13 03:01 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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just today, i ate a pound of mushrooms and can feel something. i know what they are since i grew them. and just for the first group they are fucking goooood! lol
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Re: Tripping with a first timer [Re: ithernet]
#18793258 - 09/03/13 06:44 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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^^ that.is.awesome...
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Re: Tripping with a first timer [Re: Gorlami]
#18794059 - 09/03/13 11:57 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Good story, I am glad it worked out for you. How did she like it? Is she interested in tripping again? :P
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Re: Tripping with a first timer [Re: SomeGuyX]
#18794243 - 09/03/13 12:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nice report, sounds like an awesome trip!
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Be prepared for her to curl up in a ball and meditate for six hours, while you have all the energy in the world and want to go exploring. Too bad. It is her trip. Be there for her don't require her be there for you. Let her have her first trip.
Been there! The ONLY time I've dosed a girl, I had all the conditions just right, very similar dosage, set, and setting as WhaleChunks, but just as it started to kick in she started talking about how the flow of the river was going to pull her soul away into nothingness and she curled up in a ball on the couch.
I attempted to keep her upbeat and okay for the next 5 hours. It never got worse than that, but she didn't experience any of the "good stuff" and I think she was fighting the experience the whole time. Since then I've learned that even Indica-heavy weed puts her into a mumbling trance, so no more psychedelics for her.
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Re: Tripping with a first timer [Re: gornyhuy]
#18794344 - 09/03/13 01:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nice report! glad things went well for you both.
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i was so out of it. for some reason i started having my muscles feel like im ticklish inside but in a real warm relaxing way. is it bad if you eat too much of them? in the end at maybe 4 in the morning i woke up and i saw the wood starting to get sucked up in the closet that was everywhere in my room. after i stared at the wood i was seeing it get sucked in with blood shooting out of the wood. so messed up hard to explain. today my heads hurts so bad. normal for tripping and seeing so many patterns you cant even concentrate for ever 2 seconds? personally it was the funnest experience i have ever had. it was amazing lol
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Re: Tripping with a first timer [Re: gornyhuy]
#18799895 - 09/04/13 04:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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SomeGuyX said: Good story, I am glad it worked out for you. How did she like it? Is she interested in tripping again? :P
I think she'll come around to it again. Albeit the crying, she had a memorable experience!
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gornyhuy said: Nice report, sounds like an awesome trip!
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Be prepared for her to curl up in a ball and meditate for six hours, while you have all the energy in the world and want to go exploring. Too bad. It is her trip. Be there for her don't require her be there for you. Let her have her first trip.
Been there! The ONLY time I've dosed a girl, I had all the conditions just right, very similar dosage, set, and setting as WhaleChunks, but just as it started to kick in she started talking about how the flow of the river was going to pull her soul away into nothingness and she curled up in a ball on the couch.
I attempted to keep her upbeat and okay for the next 5 hours. It never got worse than that, but she didn't experience any of the "good stuff" and I think she was fighting the experience the whole time. Since then I've learned that even Indica-heavy weed puts her into a mumbling trance, so no more psychedelics for her. 
Hey gornyhuy, thanks for sharing. I guess there's no telling how someone will react. My lady friend usually falls asleep when I toke her up, so naturally I was a bit concerned this would be too much for her to handle. To my surprise, smoking her up on shrooms didn't make her freak out, instead it helped come to terms with the overwhelming amount of feelings washing over her.
She experienced some lows, but thankfully the whole experience was a positive one that she will remember.
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baltimark said: Nice report! glad things went well for you both.
Thank you!
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