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King Klick
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Feels weird to contact politicians.
#18780243 - 08/31/13 03:04 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I was thinking about asking my state rep to back a bill that would prevent employers from discriminating for criminal convictions. But it feels weird....Do other people do this?
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Re: Feels weird to contact politicians. [Re: King Klick]
#18780252 - 08/31/13 03:14 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Feels weird to contact politicians. [Re: Chowder963]
#18780253 - 08/31/13 03:15 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thank you for that, I could feel the beat. Looks like a 5th generation incestuous deformity.
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Re: Feels weird to contact politicians. [Re: King Klick]
#18780263 - 08/31/13 03:23 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Lol I'm sorry I couldn't help myself, I was goin to make anoter post right after but my computer died an now I'm on my phone. To answer your question though, I don't think you would get results, maybe just advice or their opinion on what you should do if you have a criminal background. I saw this because I have to deal with the same background check crap.
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Re: Feels weird to contact politicians. [Re: Chowder963] 2
#18780273 - 08/31/13 03:37 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Chowder963 said: Lol I'm sorry I couldn't help myself, I was goin to make anoter post right after but my computer died an now I'm on my phone. To answer your question though, I don't think you would get results, maybe just advice or their opinion on what you should do if you have a criminal background. I saw this because I have to deal with the same background check crap.
Well I'm from wisconsin and apparently he's on Walkers side. So...fuck walker and all his supporters. But he's supporting some good bills right now. Like if an underage person is in posession of alcohol and gets medical help they can't be charged. He's vice chairman of the board of universities as well. I'm starting to like the guy.
But it's just a state rep, there's probably not much money in it for him. He might care. Maybe the problem is that nobody tries.
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Re: Feels weird to contact politicians. [Re: King Klick]
#18780566 - 08/31/13 08:34 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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King Klick said: I was thinking about asking my state rep to back a bill that would prevent employers from discriminating for criminal convictions. But it feels weird....Do other people do this?
This is something I think about often as well and always end up boiling down to the fact that I am not very good at articulating my opinion and I feel as if nothing would come about as a result anyways.
I'm in a similar boat as you I presume. Made a few mistakes that ended up with me spending 4 months in jail, while there I decided I needed to do something better with my life.
Now it seems like having a criminal record is barring over my head as far as what I will and will not be able to do career wise.
I've tried the best I can to go to school for a field in which I will likely be able to get a job that won't do background checks.
At the same time I feel why should people have a record held over their head limiting them from what they can and can't do, regardless of whether they have completely changed as a person.
I wouldn't be surprised if this policy in itself has made re-formed criminals opt back to the life they were living before due to financial reasons.
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Re: Feels weird to contact politicians. [Re: backfire16]
#18780627 - 08/31/13 08:59 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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backfire16 said:
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King Klick said: I was thinking about asking my state rep to back a bill that would prevent employers from discriminating for criminal convictions. But it feels weird....Do other people do this?
This is something I think about often as well and always end up boiling down to the fact that I am not very good at articulating my opinion and I feel as if nothing would come about as a result anyways.
I'm in a similar boat as you I presume. Made a few mistakes that ended up with me spending 4 months in jail, while there I decided I needed to do something better with my life.
Now it seems like having a criminal record is barring over my head as far as what I will and will not be able to do career wise.
I've tried the best I can to go to school for a field in which I will likely be able to get a job that won't do background checks.
At the same time I feel why should people have a record held over their head limiting them from what they can and can't do, regardless of whether they have completely changed as a person.
I wouldn't be surprised if this policy in itself has made re-formed criminals opt back to the life they were living before due to financial reasons.
I have a few friends who have felonies, and i've witnessed first hand how difficult it is for a felon to gain employment, even if it's cleaning floors at K-Mart.
My buddy was repeatedly denied employment after successful interviews once they found out he had a felony drug conviction.
Needing to make money to support himself, he went back to his only outlet for a source of income, and just recently got arrested again and will be going upstate for 3-5 years.
It's a system, built to keep you in a cycle.
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Re: Feels weird to contact politicians. [Re: backfire16]
#18780629 - 08/31/13 09:01 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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i think it should be up to the company, if they want to discriminate against convicted drug abusers they should be allowed.
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Re: Feels weird to contact politicians. [Re: druqs]
#18780636 - 08/31/13 09:02 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I called a politician once and when his secretary answered the phone I forgot what I was going to say, stuttered and probably made no sense at all.
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Re: Feels weird to contact politicians. [Re: Big Worm]
#18780687 - 08/31/13 09:19 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Big Worm said:
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backfire16 said:
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King Klick said: I was thinking about asking my state rep to back a bill that would prevent employers from discriminating for criminal convictions. But it feels weird....Do other people do this?
This is something I think about often as well and always end up boiling down to the fact that I am not very good at articulating my opinion and I feel as if nothing would come about as a result anyways.
I'm in a similar boat as you I presume. Made a few mistakes that ended up with me spending 4 months in jail, while there I decided I needed to do something better with my life.
Now it seems like having a criminal record is barring over my head as far as what I will and will not be able to do career wise.
I've tried the best I can to go to school for a field in which I will likely be able to get a job that won't do background checks.
At the same time I feel why should people have a record held over their head limiting them from what they can and can't do, regardless of whether they have completely changed as a person.
I wouldn't be surprised if this policy in itself has made re-formed criminals opt back to the life they were living before due to financial reasons.
I have a few friends who have felonies, and i've witnessed first hand how difficult it is for a felon to gain employment, even if it's cleaning floors at K-Mart.
My buddy was repeatedly denied employment after successful interviews once they found out he had a felony drug conviction.
Needing to make money to support himself, he went back to his only outlet for a source of income, and just recently got arrested again and will be going upstate for 3-5 years.
It's a system, built to keep you in a cycle.
I would argue that the system wasn't built to keep people in the system, I believe it was originally built as a way to deter people from committing crimes. It may be different in the states due to the privatization of the prison complex but that's how it is in Canada.
It's just ignorance of the people who determine the rules to the system to continue pushing harsher penalties for crimes over focusing on rehabilitating people in the prison system and solving what has brought them into the system in the first place.
The prison system truly is a vicious cycle. How can politicians expect criminals to reform when they are sentenced to an environment where fighting, stabbings, drug-use and the likes are common place.
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Re: Feels weird to contact politicians. [Re: druqs]
#18780699 - 08/31/13 09:24 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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druqs said: i think it should be up to the company, if they want to discriminate against convicted drug abusers they should be allowed.
The problem is that it ends up having unintended consequences. If a criminal decides to make a change and contribute to society instead of stealing, robbing, drug dealing and can't because of policies and discrimination and they end up going back to the same life of crime they were involved in before, who loses?
Everyone.
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Re: Feels weird to contact politicians. [Re: backfire16]
#18780758 - 08/31/13 09:53 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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indeed, they should treat every case on it's individual merits.
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Re: Feels weird to contact politicians. [Re: King Klick]
#18780876 - 08/31/13 10:47 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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King Klick said: I was thinking about asking my state rep to back a bill that would prevent employers from discriminating for criminal convictions. But it feels weird....Do other people do this?
It always feels weird to ask things from bigger criminals than yourself.
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Re: Feels weird to contact politicians. [Re: backfire16]
#18781355 - 08/31/13 01:21 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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backfire16 said:
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King Klick said: I was thinking about asking my state rep to back a bill that would prevent employers from discriminating for criminal convictions. But it feels weird....Do other people do this?
This is something I think about often as well and always end up boiling down to the fact that I am not very good at articulating my opinion and I feel as if nothing would come about as a result anyways.
I'm in a similar boat as you I presume. Made a few mistakes that ended up with me spending 4 months in jail, while there I decided I needed to do something better with my life.
Now it seems like having a criminal record is barring over my head as far as what I will and will not be able to do career wise.
I've tried the best I can to go to school for a field in which I will likely be able to get a job that won't do background checks.
At the same time I feel why should people have a record held over their head limiting them from what they can and can't do, regardless of whether they have completely changed as a person.
I wouldn't be surprised if this policy in itself has made re-formed criminals opt back to the life they were living before due to financial reasons.
Actually, I've never been charged with anything even mildly serious. But, that might change...Anyways, it's a good bill, good reasoning, needs support.
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Re: Feels weird to contact politicians. [Re: King Klick]
#18781876 - 08/31/13 04:17 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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King Klick said:
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backfire16 said:
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King Klick said: I was thinking about asking my state rep to back a bill that would prevent employers from discriminating for criminal convictions. But it feels weird....Do other people do this?
This is something I think about often as well and always end up boiling down to the fact that I am not very good at articulating my opinion and I feel as if nothing would come about as a result anyways.
I'm in a similar boat as you I presume. Made a few mistakes that ended up with me spending 4 months in jail, while there I decided I needed to do something better with my life.
Now it seems like having a criminal record is barring over my head as far as what I will and will not be able to do career wise.
I've tried the best I can to go to school for a field in which I will likely be able to get a job that won't do background checks.
At the same time I feel why should people have a record held over their head limiting them from what they can and can't do, regardless of whether they have completely changed as a person.
I wouldn't be surprised if this policy in itself has made re-formed criminals opt back to the life they were living before due to financial reasons.
Actually, I've never been charged with anything even mildly serious. But, that might change...Anyways, it's a good bill, good reasoning, needs support.
Awesome seems like you have a good head on your shoulders.
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Re: Feels weird to contact politicians. [Re: backfire16]
#18781940 - 08/31/13 04:31 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you write a letter you can double check everything you want to say. I know for a fact that letters work best.
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Re: Feels weird to contact politicians. [Re: lazyfingers]
#18782932 - 08/31/13 08:39 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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lazyfingers said: If you write a letter you can double check everything you want to say. I know for a fact that letters work best.
Care to explain why? Story time
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Re: Feels weird to contact politicians. [Re: King Klick]
#18782935 - 08/31/13 08:40 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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The emoticon has nothing to do with my post. I just fealt it needed an emotican and it was on deck.
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Re: Feels weird to contact politicians. [Re: King Klick]
#18783256 - 08/31/13 09:55 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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His secretary will probably just send you back some pre-written copy pasta BS letter that they send out 500 times every day to every person that sends in a letter / call on the same/similar subject.
He will sign it of course. But it will basically say Thank you for your interest, we are very dedicated to BLAH BLAH BLAH and BLAH BLAH BLAH and hope to promote BLAH BLAH BLAH , BLH BLAH BLAH BLAH,
Deepest Regards, Senator
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Re: Feels weird to contact politicians. [Re: backfire16]
#18783311 - 08/31/13 10:15 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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backfire16 said:
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King Klick said: I was thinking about asking my state rep to back a bill that would prevent employers from discriminating for criminal convictions. But it feels weird....Do other people do this?
This is something I think about often as well and always end up boiling down to the fact that I am not very good at articulating my opinion and I feel as if nothing would come about as a result anyways.
I'm in a similar boat as you I presume. Made a few mistakes that ended up with me spending 4 months in jail, while there I decided I needed to do something better with my life.
Now it seems like having a criminal record is barring over my head as far as what I will and will not be able to do career wise.
I've tried the best I can to go to school for a field in which I will likely be able to get a job that won't do background checks.
At the same time I feel why should people have a record held over their head limiting them from what they can and can't do, regardless of whether they have completely changed as a person.
I wouldn't be surprised if this policy in itself has made re-formed criminals opt back to the life they were living before due to financial reasons.
I have a few friends who have felonies, and i've witnessed first hand how difficult it is for a felon to gain employment, even if it's cleaning floors at K-Mart.
My buddy was repeatedly denied employment after successful interviews once they found out he had a felony drug conviction.
Needing to make money to support himself, he went back to his only outlet for a source of income, and just recently got arrested again and will be going upstate for 3-5 years.
It's a system, built to keep you in a cycle.
I would argue that the system wasn't built to keep people in the system, I believe it was originally built as a way to deter people from committing crimes. It may be different in the states due to the privatization of the prison complex but that's how it is in Canada.
It's just ignorance of the people who determine the rules to the system to continue pushing harsher penalties for crimes over focusing on rehabilitating people in the prison system and solving what has brought them into the system in the first place.
The prison system truly is a vicious cycle. How can politicians expect criminals to reform when they are sentenced to an environment where fighting, stabbings, drug-use and the likes are common place.
Spot on! Except, In America, it is absolutely a cycle.
We'll send you to prison for a smaller crime. Label you a felon and when you get out, we're gonna ask for money for probation / parole fees. Knowing that you can't get a job because of your record, you are in deep shit. If you return to old habits, it's back to the slammer for even more time. But if you can't make a payment because of your record, we're still gonna send you to prison. Court fees are more for the state's benefit (and obvious lawyer fees) that actual victim restitution.
Besides, prison returnal rate in America is around 70-80% this year. It is definitely a cycle. I personally have been there and studied statistics for quite a while as well as the behavior of criminals. It's sickening.
And sadly, although justly in some situations, background records are an extremely important factor in gaining a job. I've applied to dozens of places in my small town practically begging for a job but none have even called for an interview. A person with a severe mental disability is more likely to get a job than me.. even though I'm more capable of representing the company and gaining more profit for the business.
I'd back you on your decision to contact him but in all honesty, it probably won't change that much. People are scared of criminals and past offenders.
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