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Alexestalex
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Life is just a dream.
#18778902 - 08/30/13 07:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Observe your life for a split second and let's discuss what it is objectively. Your "life" is composed, more or less, of 5 dominant senses: vision, audio, smell, taste, and touch. Your brain attributes certain kinds of different emotions, sensations, and feelings to everything it experiences which make up your memories, beliefs, and desires. You age, die, and the slate of you is wiped completely clean while your sentience either gets completely nullified or you are simply reborn. The loop just goes on and on, and each life is like a single, long lucid dream only different from the last in terms of what you see/feel/hear/etc and the emotions you attribute to those sensations. Life is a giant recycling bin of pretty much legos (in the forms of atoms) that is constantly breaking and forming, creating and destroying, endlessly- nothing lasts but nothing is lost. The variety of these dreams is endless: some are made up of fear, some of hopelessness, some of joy, some of betrayal, some of dominance, and so forth. It's just a giant orgy of different temporary sensations and emotions and the way that your brain interprets the universe to form this dream is also infinite- you can experience new senses if you're born as an animal, for instance, that is completely alien to you in the human realm. Ever sat there wondering how a mosquito interprets the world?
I know this post comes off as being a little bit depressing but this world view fills me with nothing but bliss, unity, and joy. I observe people around me, especially successful individuals, who get so caught up in this dream and fuss over such simple matters that I just snigger in the corner. I'm fairly successful if you look at my life in the cookie cutter success meter but in the back of my mind I always know that this is simply a dream, that life is completely empty, and once this ends, whatever this existence is, "I" will be wiped clean forever. My reincarnated self will have absolutely no association to my current self, just as none of us remember a single detail about life before we were born, and the loop will just go on and on and on. All I want to know is why and how I'm caught up in this loop but that's a question for another day.
Have psychedelics given anyone else a perspective like this?
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Edited by Alexestalex (08/30/13 07:31 PM)
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Staplerhead
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Merrily, merrily, merrily...
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DeeBee
The Cake is a Lie

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In a way yes, I have had similar thoughts. Once I sat on a bench at a park and watched a bee pollinate different flowers for 30 minutes (tripping of course) just reflecting on how everything is programmed to do what it needs to do. Humans have the ability to focus too much on things that don't matter. I prefer to just sit back and enjoy life one day at a time collecting new experiences and reflecting on them. I love knowing that at the end of life, nothing will matter but how much I've enjoyed the experiences while I was living them.
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windowlikcer
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Alexestalex said: "I" will be wiped clean forever. My reincarnated self will have absolutely no association to my current self, just as none of us remember a single detail about life before we were born, and the loop will just go on and on and on. All I want to know is why and how I'm caught up in this loop but that's a question for another day.
Have psychedelics given anyone else a perspective like this?
On the contrary, you are 100% associated with the self of any past lives you have. Otherwise from where would the cause of this life arise?
When you were in the states in which you gained these intuitions about things, you had no need for the how or why. That is partly why the psychedelic experience is so profound. How and why are only mental concepts. In the state of self-awareness you are talking about, how and why are left behind and lost under the presence of silence and deep peace.
At least that is the perspective they have given me.
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wolf8312
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I'm with you OP I view reality in the same way, life death and rebirth, all of us just one spec of Gods fragmented consciousness constantly flicking on and off in different places. But then this all tells us nothing about anything really and certainly doesn't make more sense of reality!
It can be depressing but it can also be something of a relief sometimes to know that we need not take it all so seriously that nothing that upsets or hurts us here is actually important. Its the love I have for other people though that gets me!
Funny to think I'll have to go through all this again believing once again that its my first life! Hope at least I get the avatar of a millionaire playboy next time, though knowing my luck I'll probably end up in the middle east as a camel!
Then again its no doubt much easier to let go of a shitty life! The millionaire playboy has everything to lose!
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j_db69
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There is a lot of truth in your post of the "going-ons", but you seem to misinterpret the "intentions". You will see all your have done in the "past" and nothing will be lost or forgotten. You'll have a big laugh, I bet 
and yes, during mushrooms I understood that something else "existed" other than what we could see sober (including literal religious interpretations). Then a "half-way house with vaporized deem, and was finally taught by the teacher (aya).
There were many other "road signs" along the way, little puzzle pieces, fun to put together too 
Sorry for the many uses of the " marks, but I think I will need a few more descriptive words if were to be written lol
try and remember the experiences you have now though, hold on to them. I think reflections are a must, I wish I had done more of them anyway.
take care
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j_db69
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Re: Life is just a dream. [Re: wolf8312]
#18779447 - 08/30/13 09:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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wolf8312 said: Funny to think I'll have to go through all this again ... The millionaire playboy has everything to lose!
living like most of the millionaires are more likely to CAUSE you to have to do this again, down to the thieving addict. I learned where the "heaven and hell" thing came about... and you have probably seen some of the "beings" stuck in the loop of "hell" for unfathomable lives (eternally you might say but I think Mr gates might slip on through
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Agentchewy
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Re: Life is just a dream. [Re: j_db69]
#18779637 - 08/30/13 10:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Favorite philosopher of all time
Who do you think you are?
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Alexestalex
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Let me just elucidate how I view existence:
In your head, imagine your most prized possessions. Imagine your reputation. Imagine your friends. Imagine your family. Think deeply about your hidden, personal thoughts, opinions, desires, and so forth. Think of your soul, if you will, that you associate with so dearly.
Now place a timer on every single one of those things. How does this make you feel? Well, initially it made me anxious. Every time a timer goes off, you lose something you're attached dearly to. And these timers go off all the time, absolutely nothing is permanent. Once the ultimate timer of death rings, everything else will disappear too. This is what I mean when I say its analogous to a dream. When you have a dream, you're experiencing the ultimate 'now' just like in real life- you often don't even have a single association to your past self. You don't think, wow this is just a dream. No, whoever this person is, you literally are. Those people you're seeing? They're literally there. And then suddenly there's a poof- you wake up and that dream is completely gone. All the things you saw in your dream, all the deep feelings you felt (some people's dreams get so emotionally heavy they wake up crying or so scary they wake up screaming), and that different self you may have been goes to oblivion instantly. For a few, it remains a muddy memory that you randomly recall once or twice in your life . Life is just like that, the dream is just longer but in the universal stretch its not even a microliter of water in a planet of water. A dream happens when you're asleep and at this point the brain is no longer in maximum survival mode. It has no reason to pay a huge slice of attention to what's going around and the sounds that are being made or to recall the person's memories, current emotions, and so forth. The brain just wanders and creates a new reality. All being sober means is that your brain interprets the vibrations around you in the kind of way that a certain 'code' tells it to. The code just tells you what tastes good, what to not eat, and so forth. There is no 'real', what you see isn't what really is. The entire universe and everything in it is just vibrations with huge amounts of empty space. All your brain does is observe this energy and its configuration and create a sensation based on that specific energy model.
Imagine how radically different (almost magically different) life would be if existence and the self was 100% permanent and eternal. I'm not talking about space and food, imagine if those variables were taken care of, I'm just talking about how much our attitudes towards everything would change. How 'real' everything would become...
I have absolutely no reason to believe that we will ever be judged. Its extremely biased to judge one's actions without placing every single 'soul' in their exact same shoes. I don't mean them just being in his position, I mean having his genetics, his parents, his luck, his memories and so forth. This whole spirituality stuff is a human made concept. For a few billion years the world was literally filled with wild animals that had absolutely no sense of self and operated on instinct. If these entities are real and made us and all that crap, why did they wait this long to create the only animal who can fathom the idea of spirituality (often poorly)? Animals aren't spiritual, you must understand that. Under natural conditions they will literally kill you, devour you, slice you to bits and so forth. We derived from them. And if acting on instict is spirituality, then why fear being judged? You don't get much of a choice if it's instict based. I don't associate human beings to be above animals for two reasons: firstly, lots of individuals have commited abhorable acts and secondly, animals are just like us. They survive and derive pleasure from sex. A wasp feeds it children, like a man, protects his family, like a man, builds a house for its family, like a man, searches for a mate like a man, avoids danger and pain, like a human being, and the list just goes on and on.
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Edited by Alexestalex (08/31/13 12:09 AM)
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DeeBee
The Cake is a Lie

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Alexestalex said: I don't associate human beings to be above animals for two reasons: firstly, lots of individuals have commited abhorable acts and secondly, animals are just like us. They survive and derive pleasure from sex.
Elaborate on these two reasons for why humans are not above animals? As far as I know, the only animals that have sex for pleasure are humans, dolphins, and certain monkey species. Everything else is just for reproduction. I don't see the correlation between these reasons and the idea of humans and animals being grouped together.
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Sleepwalker
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Re: Life is just a dream. [Re: DeeBee]
#18779885 - 08/31/13 12:25 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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DeeBee said: As far as I know, the only animals that have sex for pleasure are humans, dolphins, and certain monkey species. Everything else is just for reproduction.
I hear this all the time and it makes no sense. You think dogs fuck each other because they know that it will create offspring and the species can live on? No, they fuck because it feels great. That is the drive.
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Alexestalex
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Well said. Why do dogs hump people's legs if they're only doing it to survive? Its like food- you eat because of instinct but a large part of that instinct is the pleasure that you know you will derive from it.
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PrimalSoup
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Alexestalex said: Observe your life for a split second and let's discuss what it is objectively. Your "life" is composed, more or less, of 5 dominant senses: vision, audio, smell, taste, and touch. Your brain attributes certain kinds of different emotions, sensations, and feelings to everything it experiences which make up your memories, beliefs, and desires. You age, die, and the slate of you is wiped completely clean while your sentience either gets completely nullified or you are simply reborn. The loop just goes on and on, and each life is like a single, long lucid dream only different from the last in terms of what you see/feel/hear/etc and the emotions you attribute to those sensations. Life is a giant recycling bin of pretty much legos (in the forms of atoms) that is constantly breaking and forming, creating and destroying, endlessly- nothing lasts but nothing is lost. The variety of these dreams is endless: some are made up of fear, some of hopelessness, some of joy, some of betrayal, some of dominance, and so forth. It's just a giant orgy of different temporary sensations and emotions and the way that your brain interprets the universe to form this dream is also infinite- you can experience new senses if you're born as an animal, for instance, that is completely alien to you in the human realm. Ever sat there wondering how a mosquito interprets the world?
Well, it's a lot of interpretation. Was there a point?
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Edited by PrimalSoup (08/31/13 01:11 AM)
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wolf8312
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Re: Life is just a dream. [Re: PrimalSoup]
#18780057 - 08/31/13 01:40 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well, it's a lot of interpretation. Was there a point?
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Maybe that is the point!
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DeeBee
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Re: Life is just a dream. [Re: DeeBee]
#18780197 - 08/31/13 02:46 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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DeeBee said:
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Alexestalex said: I don't associate human beings to be above animals for two reasons: firstly, lots of individuals have commited abhorable acts and secondly, animals are just like us. They survive and derive pleasure from sex.
Elaborate on these two reasons for why humans are not above animals? As far as I know, the only animals that have sex for pleasure are humans, dolphins, and certain monkey species. Everything else is just for reproduction. I don't see the correlation between these reasons and the idea of humans and animals being grouped together.
Still haven't gotten my answer for this...
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Sleepwalker
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Re: Life is just a dream. [Re: DeeBee]
#18781464 - 08/31/13 02:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I responded. Animals are driven to do things because it gives them pleasure. They don't know that having sex will create offspring, so to say they do it purely for reproductive purposes doesn't really make sense.
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DeeBee
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How does that make humans and animals the same? Also "I don't associate human beings to be above animals for two reasons: firstly, lots of individuals have commited abhorable acts" doesn't make sense either. We're talking about levels of consciousnesses and reasoning abilities here not just actions that both animals and humans do.
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Re: Life is just a dream. [Re: Agentchewy]
#18781804 - 08/31/13 03:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Agentchewy said: Favorite philosopher of all time
Who do you think you are?
I love this guy. i dont think ive seen this one yet, im watching it now.
I love his catchphrases "You've missed the point," "Come to your senses"
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Sleepwalker
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Re: Life is just a dream. [Re: DeeBee]
#18782097 - 08/31/13 05:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I wasn't commenting on anything but your post. There are many obvious and large differences between humans and other animals (our complex language, various cultures, technology, etc) and there are just as many similarities (we eat, shit, fuck, and die).
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