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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: kyoto]
    #18777346 - 08/30/13 01:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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You know it's possible that more than one party can use chemical weapons, right?




Of course. But only one side would face a devastating GLOBAL military offensive if they were to use the weapons. If Assad used them, he is fucked. If the " activists" used them, Assad is fucked then also.

1. The terrorists/activists have already been caught red handed with sarin gas.

2. The "rebels" have already been busted lying about chemical attacks on them.

3. To attempt to appease his Saudi masters, Obama must "argue for war" "convince a war weary public"  or as Pelosi said "provide more transparency" LMAO, what? Obama not transparent? Isn't that the very thing he touted as one of his campaign promises?

The Brits want nothing to do with this bullshit. The vast majority of Americans realize this WMD fear mongering has been played out, and criticized by Obama over and over again, yet the fuck-stain has no problems "going it alone" circumventing both the UN as well as Congress, and most importantly the American tax paying public that he is paid to represent.

This from the state Dept. is hilarious:

On Wednesday, the State Department bluntly said it doesn’t matter whether Assad gave the order.

The commander in chief of any military is ultimately responsible for decisions made under their leadership, even if command and control — he’s not the one that pushes the button or said, ‘Go,’ on this,” spokeswoman Marie Harf told reporters.

Really? The commander in chief is ultimately responsible for what happens under his leadership?

Didn't the asshole Obama claim both no knowledge or responsibility for Fast and Furious where Mexican drug cartels were given guns by his admin. to kill an American as well as hundreds of Mexicans, He didn't know why the Mexican government wasn't informed as to why he was sending guns across the border, he didn't know nor was he responsible for the IRS targeting Americans, or the NSA spying on Americans, or the FBI investigations, he didn't know about the Petraus investigation, he didn't know about Benghazi, he didn't know his parasitical whore aunt was in the country illegally, or that he claims he never said " you didn't build that", he knew nothing about the illegal spying at the AP, about the economic crisis he said " he didn't know how bad it was", he didn't know his staff was threatening both Benghazi and CIA whistle blowers, he knew nothing about the DHS/ICE releasing illegal immigrants, as a matter of fact he said he didn't realize it until he read it in the paper, of course there is also this that Obama knows nothing about, but one of his closest allies had no problems telling the American people:

A database owned by the Obama campaign, which she describes here, which Obama described to her as “everything on everyone”, would have to include private, confidential tax records illegally obtained from the IRS. This would indicate that Obama not only knew what the IRS was doing, but was actively engaged with them in doing it, and perhaps compelled them to.

“The President has put in place an organization with the kind of database that no one has ever seen before in life,” Representative Maxine Waters told Roland Martin on Monday. “That’s going to be very, very powerful,” Waters said. “That database will have information about everything on every individual on ways that it’s never been done before and whoever runs for President on the Democratic ticket has to deal with that. They’re going to go down with that database and the concerns of those people because they can’t get around it. And he’s [President Obama] been very smart. It’s very powerful what he’s leaving in place.” – Maxine Waters

So, Obama knows jackshit. Obama is responsible for jackshit. Obama distances himself from all these "pretend scandals" because "he didn't know". Yet every other is ultimately responsible for any action that takes place in their administration. What a hypocrite, lying, sanctimonious fuck.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: Therian]
    #18777522 - 08/30/13 02:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Your rant is all over the place, how did you go from Syria to Fast and Furious and Benghazi, can we keep or discussion relevant to the topic at hand, or itleast the mid-east and the conflict emanating from Syria in general.

Im not a fan of Obama, or his administration im not going to defend it, or his actions, but your hatred of Obama has blinded you to the actions of real tyrants like Assad, him and his Baath party are trash relegated to the dustbin of history. Instead of enacting the reforms his people demanded (and he even promised before the civil war even started)instead he clamped down and this war is the result of this clamp down, protests turn to civil war.  He is a despicable tyrant who hires western and American PR firms to make his ass look good and disseminate propaganda, he supports PFLP, PFLP-GC, and Hezbollah respectively. I just cant see how you so blindly defend this guy, not saying other Arab leaders are just as good, but I mean, compared to master politician Erdogan who seemed to have swept his troubles under the rug. This is all endemic to those wanting a free hand in the economies of the world, the arab tyrants will tumble one by one as their people struggle with economic stagflation.

I don't see any good coming out of Syria, I think the US does need to act, though maybe not through military strikes, certainly not military strikes until we have a cohesive exit strategy and political solution, in other words, war is an extension of politics by other means.

Lets examine here... The FSA are totally splintered, between secular and sunni extremists, the FSA are just so politically incoherent. I think this sums it up well http://www.thenorthstar.info/?p=2528 The FSA is a umbrella term for any who share in the opposition, we saw  distinct Jihadist forces split from the FSA or grew independently from it. 

http://www.understandingwar.org/report/jihad-syria

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Moderate political Islam is not incompatible with democratic governance. However, ultraconservative Sunni Islamists, known as Salafists, envision a new world order modeled on early Islam that poses a significant threat to both democracy and the notion of statehood. Salafi-jihadists are those who commit to violent means to bring about the Salafi vision.




Exactly my point ive been trying to raise, the Salfist have this idea of a global Islamic caliphate, its totally unrealistic and I guarantee the Syrians themselves do not want to be governed by foreign asshole jihadi's, they want power for themselves, I think a US strike could hopefully bring the curtain down on these bad actors and offer more coherent support to the FSA.


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The vast majority of Syrians opposing the regime are local revolutionaries still fighting against autocracy; while they are not Islamists, in the sense that their political visions do not depend upon Islamic principles, they espouse varying degrees of personal religious fervor. There are also moderate Islamists operating within the Syrian opposition, including those who comprise rebel groups like Suquor al-Sham and the Umma Brigade, who are typified by a commitment to political Islam that is compatible with democracy.:




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Al-Qaeda’s direct involvement in Syria has been exaggerated in the media. However, small al-Qaeda affiliated networks are operating in the country, including elements of al-Qaeda in Iraq, Abdullah Azzam Brigades, Fatah al-Islam and Jordanian Salafi-jihadists. Rather than sending large numbers of operatives, these networks are providing operational support, including trainers and bomb makers, in order to capitalize on the instability in Syria and expand their influence in the region.




Notice, Al Qaeda, absolutely needs instability to operate in the region, like botulism in oxygen it simply can not live in a state that is stable democratically and militarily. This is why Al Qaeda is so large in Yemen, the political instability in Yemen, in Mali, in Nigeria, in Algeria, etc, the civil wars and instability of these countries gives them a "base of operations" to work from. The goal of the world should be to erode these places of instability, and eliminate these salfist safe havens...


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: elax420]
    #18778159 - 08/30/13 04:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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elax420 said:
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Isn't it great that we have a competent leader in foreign policy, diplomacy and things military?

He is far worse than Carter.



Keep pushing that agenda





What agenda?  The man is a fucking idiot.  Spit out the cock.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18778458 - 08/30/13 05:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Russia, Syria and Iran all say that the rebels deployed chemical weapons, not Assad. Why would Assad gas his own civilians when he knew UN inspectors were in Damascus? It is an invitation for foreign intervention. The rebels are mostly foreign insurgents who have little to no connection to the Syrian people. Assad's government even has an amnesty program where 'rebels' (more like terrorists) can turn themselves in without penalty. Some of them are even fighting alongside the Syrian army now that they are aware they've been tricked.

The rebels were caught using chemical weapons a few months ago, but now we are preparing to attack Assad without complete evidence of who was behind the atrocity. If there is evidence why haven't any of us been privy to it? Why is the MSM ignoring the possibility that the rebels could be behind the chemical weapons attack, so they could blame it on Assad and force western intervention? They didn't cover the Britam security leak that mentioned a false flag attack, either.

I'm starting to think the talking heads are less informed than the average Joe, and not deliberately withholding the truth.




Link?




Google

Article

Notice how they admit it to the AP reporter, but not a single mainstream source (in the US, anyways) has picked up this story.

Everyone's favorite politician Ron Paul says it's a false flag:


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: SWEDEN]
    #18778508 - 08/30/13 05:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Info wars.  Thanks for clearing that up.  It's not that I don't doubt it but infowars has exactly as much credibility as Obama.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: SWEDEN]
    #18778532 - 08/30/13 05:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Your rant is all over the place, how did you go from Syria to Fast and Furious and Benghazi, can we keep or discussion relevant to the topic at hand, or itleast the mid-east and the conflict emanating from Syria in general.




Dude, read the post. Our state Dept. stated it DOESN'T MATTER if Assad didn't send the gas, or if he DIDN'T KNOW about it. They stated WHATEVER happens in his administration is ultimately HIS FAULT.

I then contrasted to all the things Obama DIDN'T KNOW, yet he is free of any blame, responsibility, culpability, or recourse. I guess the whole collective responsibility excuse Obama is attempting to use is a one way street.

If Assad is to blame if someone under him in his administratin killing someone, then so too is Obama. Why can't the mexicans killed during fast and furious as well as the border guards relatives hold Obama responsible and drop bombs on his ass, or sue him for manslaughter? It's ok for Obama, but the rules change for anyone else.

How many children have been killed by predator drone strikes, which Obama the judge, jury, and executioner authorized? It's different though, they were just burned to death or had their limbs blown off, thank god they didn't inhale some sarin, now THAT would be murder!


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18778577 - 08/30/13 06:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Info wars.  Thanks for clearing that up.  It's not that I don't doubt it but infowars has exactly as much credibility as Obama.




Infowars is only the first result. Did you not look any further?
Here is a video of the imported "rebels" loading and firing chemical weapons
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HM_FElma6Cw


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: Therian]
    #18778622 - 08/30/13 06:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Instead of enacting the reforms his people demanded (and he even promised before the civil war even started)instead he clamped down




OOOOHHHH, shall I provide you with a list of all the "reforms" Obama promised us? A vast majority of Americans also are demanding that we DON'T bomb Syria yet he is prepared to "go it alone" Illuminate me as to the difference between one tyrant directly opposing the will of the people, and another doing the same here.

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He is a despicable tyrant who hires western and American PR firms to make his ass look good and disseminate propaganda,




Really? Obama too has PR firms to push his propaganda. I don't believe they are run by "typical white people" though.

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he supports PFLP, PFLP-GC, and Hezbollah respectively.




Yes, and ours supports AL-Q, the very assholes that are responsible for the deaths of thousands of Americans including thousands of children globally. Don't forget about the Al-Nusra front, the Muslum Brotherhood, ( as a matter of fact one of the reasons for the overthrow of Morsi was due to the fact he stated it was Egypt's responsibility to declare jihad on Syria, travel there and kill their people), the list could go on and on.

Ultimately we need to do nothing. Obama stated he has to do something to keep the world from being "paralyzed" by the situation. Sorry, people are not paralyzed. They are sick of being trillions of dollars in debt, sick of the constant, ubiquitous, sectarian murders taking place in the middle east. And ultimately sick of being told it is somehow OUR responsibility to take care of the messes they make, by of course losing trillions of dollars and thousands of American lives for these fucks.

The Saudis et. al. Love to send in jihadists to foment and instigate rebellion and discord in the middle east, then let their chicken shit selves take care of the problem THEY helped create and exacerbate. Let the Arab league spend their fortunes protecting "their Muslim brothers and sisters". Can't have that, just let the American people get bombed and die for these assholes, why should they have any skin in the game? Let us fight for them, die, and then of course be criticized later for not conducting the war as they would have liked, as we of course are the great imperialistic oppressors.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: SWEDEN]
    #18778640 - 08/30/13 06:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Info wars.  Thanks for clearing that up.  It's not that I don't doubt it but infowars has exactly as much credibility as Obama.




Infowars is only the first result. Did you not look any further?
Here is a video of the imported "rebels" loading and firing chemical weapons
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HM_FElma6Cw



You are a comedy act.  Gordon Duff narration of what, exactly?  You really have to do better than that or just stay in conspiracies.  Like I said, I don't doubt that the opposition did it just on qui bono reasons but I would like to see some proof either way.  In what way did it benefit Assad to do this?  It clearly benefits the opposition.  Make no mistake I think they are both scum.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: kyoto]
    #18778687 - 08/30/13 06:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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kyoto said:
Young islamic people from Western Europe fight in Syria. I know , i live in Western Europe and we have proof of it. We busted some when they returned.




No shit they do, that fact alone doesn't even come close to justifying the statement that foreigners make up the majority of the Syrian opposition.  Sober up.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: SWEDEN]
    #18778696 - 08/30/13 06:34 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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SWEDEN said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HM_FElma6Cw




How do you know the identity of those people and how do you know what the fuck they are supposedly firing?


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #18778773 - 08/30/13 06:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

plain and simple, it was a false-flag operation carried out by either the US or Israel.

if you can't see that, you are a moron.

do you not find it suspicious that the very lone thing that would give the US carte blanch to invade/attack Syria is the one thing Assad would do?
I could understand a move like that from N Korea, who is all about flexing muscle and bravado.. but Assad is currently dealing with a serious civil war, he isn't that stupid.

also, why would Obama, in the same breath, condemn Assad and say that he is absolutely positive he gassed those people, then say that we aren't trying to bring about regime change or back the rebels?

If Obama had real evidence, we would have seen it by now, not conjecture supported by loose anecdotal euphemisms.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #18778826 - 08/30/13 07:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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plain and simple, it was a false-flag operation carried out by either the US or Israel.

if you can't see that, you are a moron.

do you not find it suspicious that the very lone thing that would give the US carte blanch to invade/attack Syria is the one thing Assad would do?
I could understand a move like that from N Korea, who is all about flexing muscle and bravado.. but Assad is currently dealing with a serious civil war, he isn't that stupid.

also, why would Obama, in the same breath, condemn Assad and say that he is absolutely positive he gassed those people, then say that we aren't trying to bring about regime change or back the rebels?

If Obama had real evidence, we would have seen it by now, not conjecture supported by loose anecdotal euphemisms.




Assad is scum.  The opposition is scum.  Obama is an idiot.  100,000 people have been killed, about 1,000 by chemical means and he is going to expend American military might just to save face because he opened his stupid piehole.  Not America's face, his face.  We have a fucking retard in the Oval Office.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18778895 - 08/30/13 07:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

regardless of whether or not Assad is scum, and even if he really did gas the fuck out of people... why would america intervene? what is our role in this? why is it up to us to do something about it? why have we created the UN, and become the primary enforcer of the UN, only to usurp its power and act like it is a deficient bureaucratic skin tab?

i also found this interesting...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=t_B1H-1opys


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    #18779455 - 08/30/13 09:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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If Obama had real evidence, we would have seen it by now, not conjecture supported by loose anecdotal euphemisms.




And you call that video real evidence?  I could make that in my back fucking yard.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #18779532 - 08/30/13 10:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Speaking of which I could get s bunch of actors to lie down and play gassed pretty easily.


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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: Shins]
    #18779735 - 08/30/13 11:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

BREAKING rebels admit it was them that set off the chemical weapons, but it was an accident! They didn't even intentionally set it off. It was supposed to go to another group and were mishandled by these idiots.


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    #18779785 - 08/30/13 11:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Assads deployed Chemical weapons against civilians. [Re: Shins]
    #18779789 - 08/30/13 11:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Speaking of which I could get s bunch of actors to lie down and play gassed pretty easily.




Yep, these lying muslim fucks have done it time and time again, and of course the liberal western media just eats this shit up. Much like Obama they have zero credibility. When it bleeds, it leads. Just look at all the poor dead Syrian civilians.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-XtuCYuZBH4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=t_B1H-1opys

http://shoebat.com/2013/08/09/propaganda-101-pallywood-training-in-egypt/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VFYEy5GeMaM



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