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Offlineakira_akuma
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Re: Jimi Hendrix must have sold his soul [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #18777962 - 08/30/13 03:32 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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"clearly a great player" means, he's a great player. there is nothing more to it then that.



I completely disagree. There's a hell of a lot more to making someone great in my eyes than just their technical proficiency.  How do you measure "soul and power"?  Everyone has a different metric, but 95% of people agree that Jimi and SRV had "it".  There's a reason they made it.  Of course some of it was dumb luck, as is every great success in this world, but a lot of it is on the back of hard work and an undefinable characteristic I'm referring to as "soul" and "charisma".



alot of guitarists ahve that soul and you don't see it. my point being that, your equation of what makes "it soulful" isn't the fucking formula everyone uses.

again, you're being blind to the fact that ASIDE FROM SRV and Jimi, there are MANY (make a note of that, many many many) guitarist that have the same "soul", and you're not seeing it, because you don't want to. :shrug: you're not invested enough to actually listen for more then you think an artist is worth, to your immediate sensibilities, which is why... you'll always say that some few guitarists "beat out in soul" the literally thousands of other immensely soulful guitarists. whatever, i'm not trying to convince you. just, statistically... you're just wrong.


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Re: Jimi Hendrix must have sold his soul [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #18777963 - 08/30/13 03:33 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

cream started in 66, hendrix started his career in 63


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Re: Jimi Hendrix must have sold his soul [Re: Led Zeppelin]
    #18777967 - 08/30/13 03:33 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

and didn't "innovate" until he got into a studio. so? that was my point. PS: Eric Clapton started his career in Cream, after his stint in the Yardbirds, which was 1963, and he had an actual album on his belt, BEFORE Hendrix, so your point is moot.


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Re: Jimi Hendrix must have sold his soul [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18777973 - 08/30/13 03:35 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

well im not going to argue about music which is subjective. I think he was the most innovative guitarist, you dont. ok


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Re: Jimi Hendrix must have sold his soul [Re: Led Zeppelin]
    #18777977 - 08/30/13 03:36 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

ok, that's fine. it's objective reasoning, that i can really cope with, i mean... Jimi was a one of the most innovative guitarists, for like a few years of time. amazing effort.


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Re: Jimi Hendrix must have sold his soul [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18777985 - 08/30/13 03:38 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

:facepalm:


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Re: Jimi Hendrix must have sold his soul [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18777986 - 08/30/13 03:39 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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alot of guitarists ahve that soul and you don't see it. my point being that, your equation of what makes "it soulful" isn't the fucking formula everyone uses.

again, you're being blind to the fact that ASIDE FROM SRV and Jimi, there are MANY (make a note of that, many many many) guitarist that have the same "soul", and you're not seeing it, because you don't want to. :shrug: you're not invested enough to actually listen for more then you think an artist is worth, to your immediate sensibilities, which is why... you'll always say that some few guitarists "beat out in soul" the literally thousands of other immensely soulful guitarists. whatever, i'm not trying to convince you. just, statistically... you're just wrong.




alot of guitarists ahve that soul and you don't see it. my point being that, your equation of what makes "it soulful" isn't the fucking formula everyone uses.

again, you're being blind to the fact that ASIDE FROM SRV and Jimi, there are MANY (make a note of that, many many many) guitarist that have the same "soul", and you're not seeing it, because you don't want to. :shrug: you're not invested enough to actually listen for more then you think an artist is worth, to your immediate sensibilities, which is why... you'll always say that some few guitarists "beat out in soul" the literally thousands of other immensely soulful guitarists. whatever, i'm not trying to convince you. just, statistically... you're just wrong.




Unfortunately you can't be "wrong" about opinions, which leads me to the conclusion that no, I am not wrong.  I have given many guitarists a lot of ear time, and I like a lot of them.  I have yet to find one that I prefer to SRV, Jimi as a close second.

One factor I have not explicitly mentioned is that I love blues-rock - it resonates with me in a way no other music ever has.  Obviously, this makes me gravitate to blues-rock guitarists.  I love Chris Duarte and Kenny Wayne Shepherd too, but they do not live up to SRV in my opinion.

It's great that your opinion differs from mine, and I'm more than willing to keep listening to great guitarists in hopes of finding one who is better, but I simply have not yet.


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Re: Jimi Hendrix must have sold his soul [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #18777998 - 08/30/13 03:41 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

awesome, so Jimi isn't "the best and most innovative guitarist".

i agree completely. there are lots.

PS: you can't be wrong about your opinion, that's why your opinion is important here about making a point... so what in the flying hell is your point? that Jimi and SRV are your favorite guitarists? cool, i have a favorite guitarist too... tops for me, has gotta be Fred Firth.

gotta be.



PS: damn, almost forgot about Otomo Yoshihide too. great guitarist, producer and composer overall.


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Re: Jimi Hendrix must have sold his soul [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18778003 - 08/30/13 03:42 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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awesome, so Jimi isn't "the best and most innovative guitarist".

i agree completely. there are lots.



I never said that he was.  He is one of my favourites.  That is all I said.


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Re: Jimi Hendrix must have sold his soul [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #18778013 - 08/30/13 03:44 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

i didn't say you said that. a couple other people said that. i think you might have seen something i said to someone else, and extrapolating from that.

i'm pretty sure you and i have come to some sort of consensus now, yes?


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Re: Jimi Hendrix must have sold his soul [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18778020 - 08/30/13 03:46 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

:yesnod:


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Re: Jimi Hendrix must have sold his soul [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #18778026 - 08/30/13 03:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

:cookiemonster: whew.


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Re: Jimi Hendrix must have sold his soul [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18778062 - 08/30/13 03:55 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Fred Firth must have sold his soul even more, becuase just look at this soulless farce of a guitarist playing huge headline shows for thousands of people.

HIPSTERS!!1 :rant: all of 'em!



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Re: Jimi Hendrix must have sold his soul [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18778077 - 08/30/13 03:58 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

:nomoreinternet:


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Re: Jimi Hendrix must have sold his soul [Re: Konyap] * 1
    #18778080 - 08/30/13 03:59 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

there should be a "nominal music to circle jerk about" forum.


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Re: Jimi Hendrix must have sold his soul [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18778112 - 08/30/13 04:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not even going to get that far, if you pick up a guitar one day and get a tab book for jimi's albums (which are widely available) you will learn all sorts of shit and no one will hold a gun to your head to listen to jimi hendrix.

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Re: Jimi Hendrix must have sold his soul [Re: Konyap]
    #18778129 - 08/30/13 04:11 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

what? i like Jimi Hendrix, and i have a guitar.

PS: Alan Holdsworth; soulless.



love that Synth Guitar.


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Re: Jimi Hendrix must have sold his soul [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18778143 - 08/30/13 04:13 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I played this game with you before. Not today.
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Re: Jimi Hendrix must have sold his soul [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18778151 - 08/30/13 04:15 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

why is this debate so important to you? just enjoy the music man:hippie: so what if we disagree about which guitarist is what?


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Re: Jimi Hendrix must have sold his soul [Re: Led Zeppelin]
    #18778169 - 08/30/13 04:19 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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why is this debate so important to you? just enjoy the music man:hippie: so what if we disagree about which guitarist is what?



hey, it's not really important. i'm just following up with the new posts that people are making.

in fact, right now i am loving music, like i have been the past hour. :yesnod:

look at these soulless bastards here.



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Bill Frisell, has immense soul that has been traded away from his afterlife.


String Trio of New York, too, they have an amazing soulless guitar wizard here.


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