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Need some advice on a small weed grow
    #18773762 - 08/29/13 03:50 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I have several questions, + rep to anyone willing to help. First off let me start by saying I have never grown weed, and have no idea where to start but Im an extremely fast learner. Im not looking to grow a lot, just enough for myself and maybe a few friends and will be doing it indoors in the same room I grow my shrooms if possible. I only smoke 1-2 times/week but Im tired of paying for it. I have had a lot of success with growing shrooms thanks to this forum so I dont think I'll have a problem with weed if someone could steer me in the right direction. So on with the questions:

1) Is there a weed growing tek out there similar to the PF Tek? Like as in easy step by step directions, easy to obtain the materials etc.

2) What is the best forum out there to learn about growing weed?

3) I plan on getting some feminized auto-flowering seeds, would this be my best bet to get started on a small personal grow?

4) Realistically, with auto-flowering feminized seeds how long from day 1 would it take to have my first bud(s)?

5) Can I grow in the same room I grow my shrooms? It is a 5 ft X 10 ft closet with plenty of light and FAE.

6) Can I use the same lighting I use for my shrooms? (6500 daylight fluorescent bulbs)

I had more questions in mind before I started this thread, I'll add more as I think of them. Thanks!


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Re: Need some advice on a small weed grow [Re: bEelzeBosS]
    #18773878 - 08/29/13 04:16 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I like autoflowers but they have some big disadvantages. With feminized autoflowers you will not be able to produce seeds or cuttings (easily anyway) so you will have to buy more seeds next time. There is no compelling reason to grow them indoors aside from novelty IMO, you can flower any weed plant at a small size if desired by changing the light schedule to 12/12. Outdoors they have a few advantages for stealth, they're small and they can finish very early.

The ones I grew took about 2 months from seed, different strains will have that info in the promo material.


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Re: Need some advice on a small weed grow [Re: psi]
    #18773979 - 08/29/13 04:36 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I have to grow indoors. I decided to go with autoflowers because my 12/12 schedule may not be perfect since the room will also be used for growing shrooms. I read somewhere that if you turn the light on even for a second during the 12 off time it can mess things up and Im in and out of that room all the time.


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Re: Need some advice on a small weed grow [Re: bEelzeBosS]
    #18774066 - 08/29/13 04:55 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I guess it would keep things simple in that way, but alternately you could build an enclosure within the closet to prevent light leaks. Buying feminized seeds for plants that can't easily be cloned seems like an annoyance IMO, but that's just me. It does seem to be difficult to find non-feminized autoflower seeds though last I checked.

From what I understand it is sometimes possible to clone autoflowers, I think I remember reading that it involves refrigeration. It is also possible to produce seed with no males. One way of doing that is with gibberellic acid but I have never tried it.


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Re: Need some advice on a small weed grow [Re: psi]
    #18774367 - 08/29/13 06:01 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Gotcha. Im going to start out with autoflowers then after that if Im still interested in it I'll move on to photoperiod. I found a beginner guide that says you need rockwool, coco (coir?), perlite, and clay pellets in addition to your potting soil. Is this all necessary or will some good potting soil work just fine?.


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Re: Need some advice on a small weed grow [Re: bEelzeBosS]
    #18774447 - 08/29/13 06:28 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I'm far from an expert in this stuff, but IME straight potting soil will work. I added bone meal and this powdered fish emulsion stuff to my soil when I grew indoors. Perlite is a component of most potting soils and gives it a fluffy airy quality, adding more is probably a good idea up to a point. Aerated soil is a good thing because plants take in oxygen through their roots. Perlite also has pretty good moisture retention.

I have not used the other additives you mentioned. Rockwool is often used as a support medium in hydroponics, I have not heard of it being used in soil but maybe it can be. Clay pellets can also be used in hydro setups. Coir is coconut fiber, I have not used it but I think it's somewhat like peat for moisture retention. Most potting soils have a lot of peat, which can harbor fungus gnats so it's good to microwave sterilize it. It's also difficult to re-wet when it dries out fully. I think coir may not have that re-wetting problem but I'm not sure.

BTW check out the Shroomery's sister site the Growery for MJ info. It's not too busy but there's some good info on there. There's a link to it at the top of the page.


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Re: Need some advice on a small weed grow [Re: psi]
    #18776662 - 08/30/13 09:45 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

go to growery.org


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Re: Need some advice on a small weed grow [Re: bEelzeBosS]
    #18776811 - 08/30/13 10:46 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Kellog's organic patio plus works well. I've been adding a little extra perlite and a couple extra tablespoons of dolomite lime per 3 gallons or so. So far so good. Careful not to overdo the dolomite lime, that's where I messed up a few times.


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Re: Need some advice on a small weed grow [Re: Sse]
    #18776840 - 08/30/13 10:53 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I just bought a Hydrofarm FLCDG125D (sorry dont want to get in trouble for linking) can I use this for vegging and flowering? If not could someone recommend a bulb to switch to for flowering?


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Re: Need some advice on a small weed grow [Re: bEelzeBosS]
    #18776912 - 08/30/13 11:08 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

OP- while we could hold your hand and walk you through this, you will be far more successful if you do some research for yourself.  I would recommend buying a book about growing weed and reading it cover to cover.  That way you can weigh your options instead of relying on the internet.  The forums are better used for asking questions when things go wrong or you need to make a judgement call.  You should go to growery.org.  There are a few regular posters over there who grow weed for a living. 

To answer your question, high pressure sodium bulbs are the best bulbs for flowering.  You should ditch the florescent garbage and buy a 150 watt electronic ballast that can switch between metal halide and HPS bulbs.


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Re: Need some advice on a small weed grow [Re: bEelzeBosS]
    #18776947 - 08/30/13 11:18 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I've heard that 50watts per square foot is recommended, the more the better; as long as you can deal with the heat.

White light is good for veg and then for increased resin production and solid bud formation it is good to add red spectrum. Around the 3000k region.

People do complete grows with only white light but I think you will get much more airy stringy buds with less resins. If it's all you have to work with then may as well.

If I could afford it I would buy an HPS with a coolhood to switch in during flower.


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Re: Need some advice on a small weed grow [Re: SmOakland]
    #18776981 - 08/30/13 11:27 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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To answer your question, high pressure sodium bulbs are the best bulbs for flowering.  You should ditch the florescent garbage and buy a 150 watt electronic ballast that can switch between metal halide and HPS bulbs.





For one, maybe two plants max? Im not looking to do this for a living or spend a crazy amount of $. Im looking to get an ounce or two a few times a year.

Basically what I plan on doing is this:

-Germinate 3 autoflower feminized seeds in a wet paper towel (only want one or two plants, extra seed is in case one or two of them wont sprout)

-Transfer to a small pot of Fox Farms Ocean forest

-Place under the light I just bought, adjusting the height as necessary

-Transfer to 5 gallon bucket with drainage holes when the plant(s) outgrow the small pot

-Let mother nature take its course

Im trying to keep this as simple as possible because A - I dont have much time/$ to invest in this, and B - Im not looking to grow a lot, just enough to smoke occasionally.

Is my plan destined to fail? I remember something an ex-gf's dad (big time hippie, grew for personal use for 30+ years) told me..."Its a weed, its not hard to grow."


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Re: Need some advice on a small weed grow [Re: bEelzeBosS]
    #18777049 - 08/30/13 11:50 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

As Sse said, 50 watts per square foot is a good rule of thumb.  However, florescent lights are significantly weaker.  HPS/MH bulbs get more efficient as you go up to 600 watts, so a 150 watter is really what you need for 2 square feet.  Trust me dude, I have grown from start to finish with florescents.  They turn out very airy, way more airy than any fluffy outdoor weed, and take at least 30% longer to finish than if you use high intensity discharge lamps.  You should keep the florescent, and use it for germination and use it to add some blue light during flowering.  If you really are too broke to buy HID lights, be aware that you are going to have to buy a few more lights, like in this picture and some bulbs, if you want them to finish in less than 3 months. 

But i guarantee you- you are going to be disappointed with the final product.  I would be surprised if you somehow got a half ounce out of a grow with only 55 watts, and it will take way longer than you want it to. 


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Re: Need some advice on a small weed grow [Re: bEelzeBosS]
    #18777091 - 08/30/13 12:05 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

With CFLs efficiency gets worse as they get bigger, which means more heat to get rid of for the amount of light you're getting out of it. 7000 lumens at 125 watts is 56 lumens per watt which is quite low even for fluorescent (T8 and T5 tubes can be ~100 lumens/W). Might as well use it since you already bought it obviously. If you want to add some extra lumens of side lighting for cheap, 42W CFLs are about 2800 lumens and they cost like $12 (around here anyway.) That works out to ~66 lumens/watt, not super efficient but they're cheap if you're on a tight budget.

I read an interesting comparison of 150W HPS vs CFLs. The author was saying that overall efficiency only works out to like 76 lumens per watt for 150 HPS if you factor in the power used by the ballast. That's more efficient than CFL but not by a whole lot (for smaller CFLs anyway.)

http://forum.grasscity.com/lighting/321592-thinking-about-using-150w-hps-dont-bother-heres-why.html

What I had been using was a 150W metal halide with supplemental 42W CFLs. People say HPS is better for flowering but I was happy with the results personally, no problems with bud density or anything like that. I found the ballast in some rubble by the beach so it didn't cost me anything, just had to buy the bulb and reflector.


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Re: Need some advice on a small weed grow [Re: psi]
    #18777206 - 08/30/13 12:45 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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With CFLs efficiency gets worse as they get bigger, which means more heat to get rid of for the amount of light you're getting out of it. 7000 lumens at 125 watts is 56 lumens per watt which is quite low even for fluorescent (T8 and T5 tubes can be ~100 lumens/W). Might as well use it since you already bought it obviously. If you want to add some extra lumens of side lighting for cheap, 42W CFLs are about 2800 lumens and they cost like $12 (around here anyway.) That works out to ~66 lumens/watt, not super efficient but they're cheap if you're on a tight budget.

I read an interesting comparison of 150W HPS vs CFLs. The author was saying that overall efficiency only works out to like 76 lumens per watt for 150 HPS if you factor in the power used by the ballast. That's more efficient than CFL but not by a whole lot (for smaller CFLs anyway.)

http://forum.grasscity.com/lighting/321592-thinking-about-using-150w-hps-dont-bother-heres-why.html

What I had been using was a 150W metal halide with supplemental 42W CFLs. People say HPS is better for flowering but I was happy with the results personally, no problems with bud density or anything like that. I found the ballast in some rubble by the beach so it didn't cost me anything, just had to buy the bulb and reflector.




Cfls waste a lot of light because it just bounces around on the inside of the bulb.  The light does not go nearly as far as with HIDs.  That 55 watter will only be able to grow a plant about 6 inches tall.


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Re: Need some advice on a small weed grow [Re: SmOakland]
    #18777258 - 08/30/13 01:03 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yes, I believe that's part of the reason why the biggest ones are the least efficient. It's a 125W the OP got though I think.


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Re: Need some advice on a small weed grow [Re: SmOakland]
    #18777539 - 08/30/13 02:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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But i guarantee you- you are going to be disappointed with the final product.  I would be surprised if you somehow got a half ounce out of a grow with only 55 watts, and it will take way longer than you want it to. 




55 watts? I'll have one of these, and I already have four of these with 1600 lumen bulbs I use for shrooms to clip and point anywhere I want around the plant(s). I'll also have the closet walls covered with aluminum foil. Will this really not be enough for 1-2 plants? :confused:


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    #18777720 - 08/30/13 02:43 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Sounds like a workable amount of lighting to me for what you want to do (~13,000 lumens total.) A lot of people recommend against aluminum foil though because it tends to crinkle. Mylar is supposed to be a better choice. You can also just use surfaces painted in matte white.


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Re: Need some advice on a small weed grow [Re: psi]
    #18777750 - 08/30/13 02:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Did not know that, all my friends always used foil. Thanks for the tip! Would this work?


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    #18777800 - 08/30/13 02:58 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I don't know why I thought 55 watts.  That 125 watt florescent supplemented by four smaller bulbs will be enough to grow three autoflowers, but I doubt that you will get an ounce out of it.  Considering the risk, price, time taken, and quality of the product you are better off just buying weed.  You are talking $60 for electricity, $20 for nutrients, $10 for soil, money for seeds, etc. to produce $100 worth of weed. 
And yeah aluminum foil is a stupid idea, both because it creates a fire hazard, is not especially reflective, and creases in ways that light gets concentrated in certain places and burns the plants.  It is cheaper and more effective to buy a can of flat white paint.  As I stated above- read a book about growing weed.  Not using aluminum foil and florescents is pretty basic shit.  If you were learning the alphabet, you wouldn't even be at "a" yet.  You don't want to spend money and then screw everything up and waste a bunch of money.  If you look around you can find downloadable versions of jorge cervantes books.  If you really are going to insist on being totally lazy and doing minimal research, you need to go to growery.org or icmag.org and find a grow similar to yours  by someone with some experience and just try to do exactly what they do.


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