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I would rather my daughters took MDMA than started smoking
    #18777436 - 08/30/13 01:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I would rather my daughters took MDMA than started smoking
What worries me is not so much illegal drugs, which mostly seem to cause a relatively low level of harm compared with cigarettes and alcohol. What worries me is addiction

    Tim Lott
    The Guardian, Friday 30 August 2013 13.00 BST

I was sent a press release last week suggesting that in a survey of more than 600 UK parents, 46% cited drugs as their number one parenting fear. I don't know how representative this survey is, but I have not spent a single moment worrying about my children taking drugs (the eldest are 18 and 20). I would rather they didn't, but I suspect this has more to do with my sense of wishing to maintain an aura of innocence around them than any rational argument.

During my own teenage years, I sought out and consumed all the soft drugs I could. I also smoked 20 cigarettes a day and spent a lot of time pissed. And I took LSD, which was wonderful and terrible and gave me mental-health problems later in life. Everything else I long ago left behind me, although I do still smoke occasionally.

I am aware that things have changed since I was a teenager. Legal highs represent a whole new arena of which I know nothing. New strains of skunk are much more powerful than anything in the 70s. Skunk can damage the development of young brains. Ecstasy is still out there, presumably along with cocaine, ketamine, heroin and God knows what else.

But I still don't worry about it. I would rather my elder daughters tried a well-sourced MDMA tablet than started smoking, as smoking is far more of a long-term risk. What worries me is not so much illegal drugs, which, apart from heroin and crack cocaine, seem to cause a relatively low level of harm compared with cigarettes and alcohol. What worries me is addiction.

You can be addicted to many things – order, purity, exercise, fasting, even water. You can be addicted to love, and to rejection. You may also be addicted to drugs, but in most cases it isn't the drugs that are doing it, but some inner void that needs to be filled.

My power, so far as it goes, is to try to stop my children suffering that inner void – which I have tried to do by giving them unconditional love and support and a sense of security. If you raise a well-balanced teenager, I think it is highly unlikely that they will end up on the street begging cash for another hit of crack.

There are a lot of teenagers, of course, who are not well-balanced, and who also live in an unbalanced environment, in which drugs and cheap, strong alcoholic drinks are consumed as part of everyday life. That, I think, is something to worry about – but isn't it strange that the real neurotics about illegal drugs are often well-heeled middle Englanders who read the Daily Mail and knock back a bottle of claret in the evening?

Of course, there are dangers in the drugs themselves. Heroin is physically addictive, as is cocaine and crack, but there are strong taboos in place against crack and needles (unlike some adults, teenagers don't see drugs as all the same). Cocaine, though often seen as glamorous rather than sleazy, is probably just too expensive, adulterated and hard to obtain for a teenager to get really hooked on.

The real threat is the societally approved drugs. Nicotine is horribly addictive and alcohol is horribly destructive. Maybe my children will become drinkers or smokers. If they do, there is little I can do – any more than I can stop them taking drugs.

All I can do is give them the facts and let them make up their own minds. Drugs, legal and illegal, are sometimes dangerous and sometimes addictive. But they aren't going away, and we need to talk to children as adults about them, because if we tell them lies – for instance, that a joint will inevitably lead to heroin addiction – then they will not trust us and will ignore our advice. So tell your children the truth about drugs – and love them, and hope for the best. It's all you can do.

Source: http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2013/aug/30/daughters-mdma-illegal-drugs-smoking


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Re: I would rather my daughters took MDMA than started smoking [Re: Mandark]
    #18778812 - 08/30/13 07:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: I would rather my daughters took MDMA than started smoking [Re: Ratatoskr]
    #18779406 - 08/30/13 09:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

very informed, nice article


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Re: I would rather my daughters took MDMA than started smoking [Re: Mandark]
    #18779709 - 08/30/13 11:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Lol LSD "gave" him mental health problems


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Re: I would rather my daughters took MDMA than started smoking [Re: Mandark]
    #18780316 - 08/31/13 04:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Skunk can damage the development of young brains.  :facepalm:

Define "young."  I hate bald assertions with no good means of confirming or denial.

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Re: I would rather my daughters took MDMA than started smoking [Re: Brakepad]
    #18780476 - 08/31/13 07:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Brakepad said:
Lol LSD "gave" him mental health problems




Try dosing as high as you can

It will have long lasting effects, even if subtle

But I've only taken 16 hits at a time before

It changes a lot of stuff, usually subtle, you don't know for a long time

and depending on which point in your life you trip, it can cause disaster or it can cure you

don't trip when you're sick/unemployed/have a bad day

only trip when you feel ready

egodeath changes everything, I can only imagine some people getting trouble after egodeath
you will be forced to rethink everything you 'knew' to be true, incl your identity

don't assume LSD is without risk, any drug is with risk, even MJ if you smoke enough (I used to smoke 1/8th a day)

set,setting,dose , with any psychedelic (incl MJ) , then you can minimize risks
MJ is about as hard on the psyche as LSD  in my experience, can be very hard on the psyche

personally LSD has only helped me, but it has also made life hard when I tripped too much so had to take a >1 year break
egodeath takes a -long- time to process, it's the hardest trip you can possibly process, together with NDE's
if you process it wrong/don't process, you will probably go crazy

I think it is a good article though, but I don't doubt that some people can get long lasting damages from LSD
but they would have gotten it from shrooms as well, or salvia, dmt , lsa, ayahuasca etc.
all psychedelics do the same  , dissolve boundaries(ego)

agree that alcohol and cigs are often worse than MDMA , if the MDMA is pure
scientifically MDMA is safer if you drink enough water with it
alcohol kills brain cells easily if you drink what most people do, my memory was so bad after binge drinking, and my liver looked like an alcoholics said my doctor when I was 19
but after weed it became better, have quitted weed now, never had so good memory as I have now (or maybe it was LSD+meditation in nature)


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Re: I would rather my daughters took MDMA than started smoking [Re: lessismore]
    #18780488 - 08/31/13 07:53 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

But as with any drug

compare benefits vs side effects

then LSD is worth it for most people(great benefits, can cure view on life and bring love for self and everything so you don't destroy yourself), except the 1-5% or so who shouldn't be tripping

people already know if they should be tripping

there are side effects with any drug, only you know if you want to take them

often the side effects are due to prohibition ...

paranoia with weed that gets so intense you feel crazy, due to society looking down on it
for LSD, you can often get a DOx instead as they're usually legal, or 25i/dragonfly that can kill you with 1 hit (I got a DOx once that I tripped about 16hrs+ from and I still got permanent vision changes - red fractal stars overlapping the whole picture when I watch tv - but luckily it only happens on CRT tvs - mostly with white backgrounds, very noticeable there, impossible to watch tv on CRT tvs sometimes - not a problem on LCD, it's the flickering that causes it. The overlap is about as clear as the picture on the tv.. it has made it very hard to read sometimes, but that varies (mostly weeks after trips/smoking weed))
I do have normal HPPD symptoms from LSD too
walls breathing a bit, and road outside breathing always, but minimal if I don't trip/smoke weed for months , else it is very intense even out side - about as intense as when I trip sometimes lol

the biggest danger with LSD is due to prohibition
you can never talk about your trips with your friends unless they are hippies
everyone will think you are going nuts.... you can't talk to anybody about your trips (unless they are -very- openminded)
talking about your experience is a good way to integrate too... so it will make it harder to integrate, and easier to go crazy from not being able to integrate


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Re: I would rather my daughters took MDMA than started smoking [Re: lessismore]
    #18781333 - 08/31/13 01:12 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Nice article, little strange in the beginning.

I would rather advise you guys to read the two Nutt studies or go to erowid if you want to know about possible harms of certain substances.


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Re: I would rather my daughters took MDMA than started smoking [Re: lessismore]
    #18781352 - 08/31/13 01:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

If you abuse a drug of course there will be negative effects from it. i doubt LSD gave him problems later on in life. the problems would have manifested after he took cidnot years later. also Norwegian researchers just found out that responsible LSD users have a lower risk of mental health problems.


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Re: I would rather my daughters took MDMA than started smoking [Re: lessismore]
    #18781587 - 08/31/13 02:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Some nice thoughts and comments there mio, but alcohol has been categorically proven not to kill brain cells, it is still widely assumed and I think it gives alcohol an unfair stigma, it does enough other damage, just not the death of brain cells.


Also N.B., about the only damaging effect of pot discovered by real research is the hampered development of "young" brains/minds. I believe the research carried out showed that those aged 13-17 were at risk, presumably those younger than that too, but the studies did not find a large enough sample group to really bother mentioning the indication of damage on those 12 and under.


As for the article itself, it doesn't really seem to have any actual point to it, just some liberal daydreaming in print about his thoughts on drugs in general and in a very superficial manner at that.
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Heroin is physically addictive, as is cocaine and crack...




Cocaine and crack are not physically addictive either, just psychologically, though where the mind stops and the body begins is, I suppose, debatable.


Not trying to be a smart-ass, just spreading info. :peace:


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Re: I would rather my daughters took MDMA than started smoking [Re: egodeathflux]
    #18782690 - 08/31/13 07:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

And I took LSD, which was wonderful and terrible and gave me mental-health problems later in life



You can be addicted to many things – order, purity, exercise, fasting, even water. You can be addicted to love, and to rejection. You may also be addicted to drugs, but in most cases it isn't the drugs that are doing it, but some inner void that needs to be filled.


New strains of skunk are much more powerful than anything in the 70s. Skunk can damage the development of young brains.


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Good article for the most part.  Though not perfect the writer has his head in the right place.


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Re: I would rather my daughters took MDMA than started smoking [Re: lessismore]
    #18782884 - 08/31/13 08:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

mio said:
Quote:

Brakepad said:
Lol LSD "gave" him mental health problems




Try dosing as high as you can

It will have long lasting effects, even if subtle

But I've only taken 16 hits at a time before

It changes a lot of stuff, usually subtle, you don't know for a long time

and depending on which point in your life you trip, it can cause disaster or it can cure you

don't trip when you're sick/unemployed/have a bad day

only trip when you feel ready

egodeath changes everything, I can only imagine some people getting trouble after egodeath
you will be forced to rethink everything you 'knew' to be true, incl your identity

don't assume LSD is without risk, any drug is with risk, even MJ if you smoke enough (I used to smoke 1/8th a day)

set,setting,dose , with any psychedelic (incl MJ) , then you can minimize risks
MJ is about as hard on the psyche as LSD  in my experience, can be very hard on the psyche

personally LSD has only helped me, but it has also made life hard when I tripped too much so had to take a >1 year break
egodeath takes a -long- time to process, it's the hardest trip you can possibly process, together with NDE's
if you process it wrong/don't process, you will probably go crazy

I think it is a good article though, but I don't doubt that some people can get long lasting damages from LSD
but they would have gotten it from shrooms as well, or salvia, dmt , lsa, ayahuasca etc.
all psychedelics do the same  , dissolve boundaries(ego)

agree that alcohol and cigs are often worse than MDMA , if the MDMA is pure
scientifically MDMA is safer if you drink enough water with it
alcohol kills brain cells easily if you drink what most people do, my memory was so bad after binge drinking, and my liver looked like an alcoholics said my doctor when I was 19
but after weed it became better, have quitted weed now, never had so good memory as I have now (or maybe it was LSD+meditation in nature)




good shit man.  MJ can be extrememly hard on the psyche.. read my report in my sig.  I still dont smoke to this day because im still scared to death and jan of this year would make it a decade since.  the last time I smoked was about 3 years ago and I still had a panic attack because it brang that same feeling/memory right back.  it can be very scary. smoke with caution


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Re: I would rather my daughters took MDMA than started smoking [Re: Mandark]
    #18784461 - 09/01/13 08:58 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I've never known anybody with a serious drug problem who wasn't also a tobacco user.  Also, has marijuana really gotten that much stronger since the 70's?  I've heard that the potency isn't actually that much higher.


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Re: I would rather my daughters took MDMA than started smoking [Re: shelolam-18]
    #18785554 - 09/01/13 02:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

MDMA drains your dopamine and frys fucking holes in your frontal lobe. its beyond addictive.. anybody can quit cigarettes. MDMA will make you sick and develop flu symptoms. MDMA stands for methylenedioxymethamphetamine. if you can read youl see the MA stands for methamphetamine. as in meth. meth and sassafras. isosafrole. thats pretty much the recipe. its like the DOM of L dopa. its a straight up meth analogue. smoking pot is one thing. if your talking about giving your own daughters ecstasy... your talking lobotomy method. your talking treason... incest.... your talking... your a fucking pedophile. you should be shot... straight up. this isnt an argument... im an ex mdma user. id like to see your throat cut. this thread should be closed. nuff said.


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Re: I would rather my daughters took MDMA than started smoking [Re: Judeanpeoplesfront]
    #18785558 - 09/01/13 02:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

gee thanks dad now im a prostitute. thats child abuse. ill beat your rollin ass. you pagan faggot. your talkin some aryan brotherhood shit. your a piece of shit. you better hope your a big huge bad buff ninja mother fucker talkin about rollin your fuckin babies isnt worse than smokin camel filters cuz your talkin about you wanna be fuckin home watchin your own daughter porn and youre just givin yourself away in a public chat sayin some 60s hippy caught balls deep in a baby bullshit how dare you fucking say that how dare you say smokin a doobies worse than rollin your fuckin daughters if i could if you fuckin said that to me in a fuckin room at the fuckin table id dive over the fuckin table and stick my steak knife in your chest just for talking about it. this mother fucker likes his steak more rare than i do what kinda tenderizer you using mother fucker?


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Re: I would rather my daughters took MDMA than started smoking [Re: Judeanpeoplesfront]
    #18785796 - 09/01/13 03:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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MDMA drains your dopamine and frys fucking holes in your frontal lobe. its beyond addictive.. anybody can quit cigarettes. MDMA will make you sick and develop flu symptoms. MDMA stands for methylenedioxymethamphetamine. if you can read youl see the MA stands for methamphetamine. as in meth. meth and sassafras. isosafrole. thats pretty much the recipe. its like the DOM of L dopa. its a straight up meth analogue. smoking pot is one thing. if your talking about giving your own daughters ecstasy... your talking lobotomy method. your talking treason... incest.... your talking... your a fucking pedophile. you should be shot... straight up. this isnt an argument... im an ex mdma user. id like to see your throat cut. this thread should be closed. nuff said.





Did you get your information from a 20/20 special on ABC?  You sound a bit misguided with your info.  The author isn't talking about abusing MDMA.  I think you took this out of context.  Taking a drug once at a concert, and abusing a substance to the point of addiction are two very different things. "Starting" smoking, and "taking MDMA" I think are the key phrases behind the meaning the author was getting at.


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Re: I would rather my daughters took MDMA than started smoking [Re: Mandark]
    #18785920 - 09/01/13 04:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I'd rather my daughter not do anything potentially harmful to her health. or at least stay away from them until she's fully grown.


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Re: I would rather my daughters took MDMA than started smoking [Re: Blindtheeye]
    #18786748 - 09/01/13 07:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

you know what dude, dont even freaking start..... this is MDMA SHANK

and for the record i got my information from first hand MDMA use

i took the real shit the 100 milligrams in a pill shit not this baby cut molly bullshit that turns into a "pure" "clean" faggot argument. theres no fucking molly its fucking bullshit. i could crush up 3 triple stacks and it would weigh out to be the same as one dose rail of bullshit for 3 full doses and people would fuckin die. oh look colored molly... retard. in my opinion if your out in public asking for cute name baby shit you should be given a bag of PCP and get thrown out with your head on fire. how dare you. how dare you nigger blowjob.

and the guys who used to sell it to me... they didnt push that shit. id nag them for it. and theyd allways say look man, be real careful with this shit. dont take 2... take 1... maybe even take half of one.... you know why? cuz it was fuckin REAL thats why. cuz it was real 120 milligram hits of ecstasy... not this coke cut bitch rail stab club bullshit.

and another thing.... the real shit... fuckin HURTS YOUR FUCKIN HEAD it HURTS YOUR HEAD afterwords your head fuckin HURTS your body temp raises and your head throbs like someone smacked you with a frying pan. because your dopamine is stored in your fuckin forehead and you just drained that shit out... .you know something.. if your head doesnt hurt afterwards... you didnt even fuckin roll... thats just fuckin meth... crushed up in some coke and some bullshit. its pathetic... its pathetic molly.. its... its make stony cry. its make stony cry blowjob ripoff.

DONT EVEN START TO FUCKIN TALK ABOUT MDMA. UNLESS YOUR FUCKIN 18 FUCKING BITCH YEARS OLD DONT EVEN TRY TO FUCKING TALK TO ME ABOUT FUCKING MDMA! FUCK YOU. and they delete my no duh wet post but they leave up this daughter rolling stab bullshit. FUCK YOU. shank molly.

oh shit!!! did you hear the news? the rest of the concert was cancelled.... your daughters DIED HAHHAAHAAHAHH!

have you ever watched porn, and then when you were done, wonder if it was porn for you to get off on or if it was actually a hot german drug induced mental retard patient? and then wonder... and then wonder if you even know the difference anymore?
hey you know what... same exact thing at the club.


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Re: I would rather my daughters took MDMA than started smoking [Re: Judeanpeoplesfront]
    #18788574 - 09/02/13 07:26 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Your lack of posts combined with your crass attitude are extremely off putting.  If this is how you talk in real life then I feel sorry for you.  Learn how to get your point across without being so angry.  I'm 30 btw, but I don't think that matters.


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Re: I would rather my daughters took MDMA than started smoking [Re: Le_Canard]
    #18793661 - 09/03/13 10:02 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Your post was really funny up to the point that you started laughing about the death of an innocent.
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