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Invisibleeasyskunkin


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problem with mushroom alcohol extraction ?
    #18777297 - 08/30/13 01:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

A friend and I tried today an extraction of 25 grams of cubensis with 190 proof alcohol, like this :

- pulverized the shrooms with blender
- mixed with alcohol (250 ml) in quart jar and put in double boil until the alcohol started to boil slowly (water around 85 celsius) for 55 minutes, mixing the mushroom powder every now and then
- filtered in funnel with two coffee filters, pressed the slurry
- slurry back to double boil with 100 ml alcohol, faster boil (water 88-92 celsius) for 55 minutes, filtered
- and third extraction same amount alcohol and temp, same time. The extracted alcohol from the three extractions was a little bit troubled, and a white deposit had formed in the bottom of the receiving jar.
- It was then filtered with a pollen mask, resulting in a very clear, yellow colored, mushroom smelling alcohol solution.

The problem started here, to reduce these more or less 350 ml down to the 25 ml we were aiming at : we placed the alcohol solution to double boil, but in a large metal pan instead of a jar, to increase the surface of evaporation, and the alcohol started to boil when the water in the first pan hit 85 celsius, as before, but evaporated quickly and left a yellow, sticky residue on the metal where the alcohol had evaporated. My friend and I thought that maybe this was going wrong, and the cause was the metal pan, so we placed the alcohol solution (reduced to 150 ml by then) in a smaller glass jar, and back to double boil, but the yellow residue continued to form on the side and the bottom of the jar. It doesn't mix with the alcohol anymore. We ended up with 25 ml of alcohol, and some of this yellow stuff, that worries us : could it be that some or all of the magic got trapped in this yellow residue ? Anyone has seen this happen before ? We cannot try the liquid before monday or so, too busy now. Did we go wrong trying to reduce the alcohol solution with heat instead of waiting for evaporation at room temperature ?


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Re: problem with mushroom alcohol extraction ? [Re: easyskunkin]
    #18779504 - 08/30/13 10:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Sounds like you heated it way too much and let it dry.

Pulverize/powder, then let it soak in ethanol (everclear) in at least double (triple is better if you have the funds) the amount of material in a jar.  Shake it hard 1-2 times a day, leaving it in room temp is fine (stir bars are better, especially when you dose). 

After about 3-4 days at least, filter the matter out, and let it evaporate on it's own, leaving a paper towel over it or something (a fan will speed it up) so that dust or other particles won't fall in.  When it is down to a specific volume that you can measure, stop.  Do not let it evap down dry, as it will oxidase rapidly.  You can then seal it up and store in freezer.  I have seen 0 loss in potency in about 7 years (and counting).

Make sure you use the stir bar (or shake really well) before measuring out your mL of enhanced ethanol, because if you pull the stuff at the bottom, you just did too much.... man

Weigh cracker dry material before starting to gauge strength, then what is left.  You have to use ~ estimate when making note, don't be an hero (or do :wink:


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Invisibleeasyskunkin


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Re: problem with mushroom alcohol extraction ? [Re: j_db69]
    #18780317 - 08/31/13 04:46 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

thanks for the reply, j_db69, but I had read many teks and they all used the double boil technique ? I will try yours next.
So anyone has seen the sticky yellow material I was talking about in the op ?


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Re: problem with mushroom alcohol extraction ? [Re: easyskunkin]
    #18781417 - 08/31/13 01:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I would wager that the sticky stuff is not active, or at least won't be now.  I'm not sure what psilosibin oxidizes into, which is what you have.

Were you looking into having dry material?  It would be extremely difficult to store, you should keep it suspended in the ethanol (or similar) after reduction.


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Invisibleeasyskunkin


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Re: problem with mushroom alcohol extraction ? [Re: j_db69]
    #18781565 - 08/31/13 02:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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j_db69 said:
I would wager that the sticky stuff is not active, or at least won't be now.  I'm not sure what psilosibin oxidizes into, which is what you have.

Were you looking into having dry material?  It would be extremely difficult to store, you should keep it suspended in the ethanol (or similar) after reduction.




No, I didn't want dry material, I know it can't be stored. I just want a tincture, but reduced to the point where 1 gram dry = 1 ml. I just wonder if the 25 ml I have contain all the magic, or if I lost some of it to the yellow stuff. Next week I'll try to manage a day off to give the liquid a try, see if it's active at all, I'll let you know. Wether it's active or not, next time I do this I will try to evaporate at room temp with a fan.


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