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    #18776994 - 08/30/13 11:34 AM (10 years, 8 months ago)

I just tested positive for methcathinone.  and they say if I test pos for it, or anything again I will prolly loose my daughter, however I have no idea what caused the positive result.  I have not used any drug of any kind in quite some time and have been testing clean for the last 2 months.  so does anyone have any ideas what could have caused the positive result? (I don't even know what methcathinone is)  and what course of action I have in fighting it.  I already submitted another sample (saliva) which is the same kind of sample I gave before that I got the positive result from.  the only thing I can think is that my little cigars that I smoke are somehow contaminated, because I smoked one immediately before giving the positive sample???

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Re: childrens sevices [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #18779281 - 08/30/13 09:07 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

I just read that it is the primary psychoactive compound in khat.


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Re: childrens sevices [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #18779445 - 08/30/13 09:56 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

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I just tested positive for methcathinone.  and they say if I test pos for it, or anything again I will prolly loose my daughter, however I have no idea what caused the positive result.  I have not used any drug of any kind in quite some time and have been testing clean for the last 2 months.  so does anyone have any ideas what could have caused the positive result? (I don't even know what methcathinone is)  and what course of action I have in fighting it.  I already submitted another sample (saliva) which is the same kind of sample I gave before that I got the positive result from.  the only thing I can think is that my little cigars that I smoke are somehow contaminated, because I smoked one immediately before giving the positive sample???





Get a copy of your results, first, or at least tell us what test was done, exactly.  If you haven't used such a product, it sounds like they may have used a shoddy test, though it seems unlikely they'd be able to say methcathinone without a GC/MS.  You could always spring for a hair test if they can detect methcathinone and try to challenge your results claiming there was cross contamination or something at the lab.

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Re: childrens sevices [Re: johnm214]
    #18780143 - 08/31/13 02:22 AM (10 years, 8 months ago)

Why are you being pee tested in the first place?

The saliva test is bullshit, you should not be doing those in the first place if you can avoid it.

ALL positive tests should be confirmed by GC/MS automatically.  Sounds like you have some ignorant dipshit using shoddy drug store tests on you.

Never consent to shoddy tests or testing methods.  There should ALWAYS be automatic GC/MS confirmation on positive samples, and they should have a "B" sample stored from every test for at least a few months.  If they don't do this then you should refuse to participate because, as you now know, you risk fucking yourself over.

If you're a citizen in good standing you should NEVER consent to any test unless you're required to because you were driving.  Countless fools have fucked themselves into a public intoxication charge by blowing when caught walking around in public.  Just say NO!

It should also be pretty obvious that you don't do the same test that you already know is bunk, again.

Because you submitted yourself to shit tests, you're now fucked.  Any kat will be gone in a day or so, and you now have NO way to EVER prove that you're not a druggie.  At this point no amount of negatives will ever prove anything other than you got busted and decided to go clean.  That's why you ALWAYS make sure there is GC/MS confirmation AND a "B" sample on file.  This is standard procedure for all legit drug testing.


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Re: childrens sevices [Re: fastfred]
    #18781672 - 08/31/13 03:17 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

no it was GC/MS confirmed, and I only do the saliva test if the person collecting the sample is female otherwise its a urine sample.  and yeah I read up a bit about what that compound is and now im even more confused as how I could have tested positive for it?  they even brought me some paperwork about it, they say its one of the main ingredients in bath salts, which I have never done ever.  smoked some mystery cannabinoids before but those are long gone.  like I said its been months since ive done any drugs at all besides alcohol. 

the only reason im being tested is because of someone turning me in for drinking while my child was under my supervision.  and when the police showed up in response to the "anonymous tip"  I was there alone with my kid with a bac over the legal limit to drive.  so they called my sister to come take my kid for the night.  now I have a case open with the childrens services department in my county.


and what if somehow I did consume this substance unknowingly?  I mean I don't know how that is possible but as the one guy posted it is the active ingredient in khat, what if the khat was smuggled inside some tobacco that was later roled into cigars and sold to me with some khat still in it.  idk just thinking out loud.  but I did already take another test, with special instructions to test for "k2 ans bathsalts" so if the contaiminated tobacco theory is correct, (highly unlikely) I would be fucked cause im still smoking the same brand even out of the same carton.

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Re: childrens sevices [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #18784034 - 09/01/13 03:25 AM (10 years, 8 months ago)

I guess I don't get the situation.  If you have your rights, e.g. do not have a probation/parole sentence hanging over your head... not sure why you would consent to any contact whatsoever with government agents.

Sounds like it started when you consented to their entry without a warrant, then consented to a breath test you didn't have to, and just keep exposing yourself to more legal troubles.

In any case, I wouldn't look too hard for some mystery source, unless you suspect your ex spiked you.  False positives happen all the time.  All initial tests are labeled only as screening tests.  A screening test is not proof of anything, it always has to be followed up by a definitive test like GC/MS or other similar tests that will provide an exact and conclusive identification of any substances.

Anything can interfere with dip-stick or panel type tests, and they're subject to interpretation, timing, and lot's of other effects.  It's far more likely that the test failed, was interfered with by any number of random substances, or was read wrong than that some stray khat got into your cigar.

You should find out exactly what results they recorded and get a copy of all the labeling and literature on the product they used, including detection limits, etc..  Sounds like the details are pretty vague.

Are they saying 4-Methylmethcathinone (mephedrone aka "bath salts") or cathinone (khat) or  methcathinone (ephedrone aka "cat")?

If they can't tell you information like this then you should request, in writing, a legitimate GC/MS blood or urine test.

If you're going to get fucked in the ass by the man, you better at least demand some quality lube and not let them just use whatever used axle grease they can find.


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I find the whole "my drug should be legal but yours should be illegal" mindset disgusting and hypocritical. It's what George Bush and company do when they drink a cocktail and debate the best way to imprison marijuana users. -Diploid

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Re: childrens sevices [Re: fastfred]
    #18800646 - 09/04/13 07:27 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

Methcathinone is not the active ingredient in "bath salts," although it is related to most of those chems.


Methcathinone can supposedly be produced by the simple oxidation of ephedrine or pseudoephedrine. So if you use either of those medicinally, I suppose there's some tiny chance you actually accidentally consumed it. Of course, the meds would have to be under such conditions where oxidation could occur-- which seems pretty unlikely. But I don't know about impossible, per se.....


But yeah, false positives happen. I've had ephedrine trip a false positive for amphetamines once.


I've also had a false positive for cocaine, and one for "benzos" that I couldn't explain. :shrug:


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