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rikuni

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i usually have a feeling of being reborn for the whole next day after a strong trip, but all visuals and tripy sensations completely stop between 10 and 12 hours for me, even on high 500 mic doses. anything longer than that and its probly not acid
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Can sleep after 10-12hrs with L And no visuals really after 10-12hrs, only minor ones Can function almost normally after 10hrs, back to normal there
Had it been dox i cant sleep for 12-16hrs at least often And would still be tripping pretty good at 12hrs
Even strobg lsd doses end at 12hrs usually Unless you eat 10strip
Theres always 1-7days afterglow with lsd Usually appreciation of colors / nature perhaos slight minor hallucibatiobs And maybe mild mindfuck still after 12hrs if you took a really high dose
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lessismore
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Newborn is a good word for lsd afterglow
Acceptance and appreciation of everything 
Living as/identifying as Thoughts/desires/emotions , or stress makes us forget ourselves partially/fully
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mio said: Newborn is a good word for lsd afterglow
Acceptance and appreciation of everything 
Living as/identifying as Thoughts/desires/emotions , or stress makes us forget ourselves partially/fully
its certainly very easy to forget that we are not these emotions, we are not these thoughts, and we are not these identities, we are the observers witnessing these thoughts and feelings
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sailing said: its certainly very easy to forget that we are not these emotions, we are not these thoughts, and we are not these identities, we are the observers witnessing these thoughts and feelings

couldn't have said it better , your thoughts are my thoughts ;-)
also 'the power of now' is a good book, but haven't read it all yet, someone gave it to me
it says the same thing, that we are not our thoughts, but the one observing them fits own experience well
because LSD removed all thoughts/worry , and made me realize I could be happy everyday by being myself without having anything , thoughts all the time only made me less happy , only think when needed , never worry
when a thought arises I can chose if I want to associate with it, only if it brings happiness to myself and others
acceptance always makes sense, together with appreciating what we have
Edited by lessismore (08/30/13 04:55 AM)
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sailing said: its certainly very easy to forget that we are not these emotions, we are not these thoughts, and we are not these identities, we are the observers witnessing these thoughts and feelings

couldn't have said it better , your thoughts are my thoughts ;-)
my point exactly ;p
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Jeez that was a crazy night lol.
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GreySatyr
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Stupid debate, clean and dirty either refers to the purity of the chemical or its used as a subjective term to identify with how someone felt on a certain batch of the chemical. That said, rarely is there any real science behind these debates. There really haven't been any studies on this subject as far as I know. I'd assume that the more pure a substance is then the less product you'd have to ingest to get the desired results. With LSD I'd assume that it wouldn't matter how pure it is because of the super low dosage needed to attain the desired effect.
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MagicalOrangutan said: Ken kesey tried real Sandoz shit in 1959 and said any underground made LSD was "never anywhere near as good as that government stuff". People who tried both Sandoz and owsley acid said owsleyacid was speedy and less mystical than Sandoz. I doubt any acid today is better than the owsley acid hippies got in the sixties. So yes, purity is clearly enormously important.
As for the kind of trip Sandoz LSD gave you..the cia dropped LSD into the water supply of a French community in the 50s and people were committing suicide, going crazy for a few hours, and thought that"flowers were growing on their skin and that their heads were turning into molten lead". However, on a good trip of this stuff, Ringo starr who tried Sandoz LSD in 65 said "when it kicked in I felt the most concentrated form of all good feelings I've ever had..I wanted to go around telling everyone how much I loved them, people I'd never seen before".
REAL Sandoz shit was just crazy mystical shit, lol
No you are wrong. Sandoz LSD is exactly the same in every way from street LSD. You cannot tell them apart. http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_article2.shtml
Everything mentioned in this thread as dirty acid is a side effect of LSD. And sometimes they happen, sometimes they don't, suck it up buttercup that is LSD.It is not possible to detect this "bad acid" in blind taste tests. The same sheets produce side effects some times and "clean" trips other times. 10 micrograms of an impurity is not something that you can sense. It didn't give muscle aches or shivers or stomach ache etc. People need to learn LSD sometimes has side effects and know what these side effects are. And stop reading that Chinacat crap.
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Re: "Clean" Acid vs "Dirty" Acid [Re: my3rdeye]
#18777517 - 08/30/13 02:04 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Honestly my man ir don't believe that story. Someone put street acid in liquid and put that in some vial, or some other hoax. LSD is more fragile than a suffle on a bumpy train ride as I've come to understand
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Re: "Clean" Acid vs "Dirty" Acid [Re: GreySatyr]
#18777598 - 08/30/13 02:19 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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GreyMorph said: Stupid debate, clean and dirty either refers to the purity of the chemical or its used as a subjective term to identify with how someone felt on a certain batch of the chemical. That said, rarely is there any real science behind these debates. There really haven't been any studies on this subject as far as I know. I'd assume that the more pure a substance is then the less product you'd have to ingest to get the desired results. With LSD I'd assume that it wouldn't matter how pure it is because of the super low dosage needed to attain the desired effect.
the concept of "dirty," or lower purity acid feeling dirty is thought to be because of the other chemicals that are byproducts of lsd production, it's entirely possible for these byproducts to be slightly psychoactive and create a different feel to the trip. alot of people who extract psilocyben do so because it makes the trip feel alot cleaner because it gets rid of alot of the extra alkaloids that arent psilocyben.
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Re: "Clean" Acid vs "Dirty" Acid [Re: sailing]
#18777744 - 08/30/13 02:46 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Guys,
If any of you are arguing about there not being a difference between purities in batches of acid, you're just wrong. Look up Chinacat's well-known thread here about the different types of LSD (needlepoint, white fluff, amber, etc). The amber crystal, for example, is like 30% less LSD than needlepoint (white crystal).
Batches of acid can certainly be "dirty," or not pure LSD.
EDIT: Got it for you: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/1287892
Edited by KingKnowledge (08/30/13 02:48 PM)
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GreySatyr
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Re: "Clean" Acid vs "Dirty" Acid [Re: sailing]
#18778650 - 08/30/13 06:23 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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What makes everyone assume that impurities are psychoactive?
The other psychoactive components of mushrooms are what makes it a mushroom trip.
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Re: "Clean" Acid vs "Dirty" Acid [Re: GreySatyr]
#18778831 - 08/30/13 07:05 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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GreyMorph said: What makes everyone assume that impurities are psychoactive?
The other psychoactive components of mushrooms are what makes it a mushroom trip.
psilocyben is the primary and most potent of the psychoactive alkaloids in mushrooms, but there are other alkaloids that effect the trip. Thats why a p.cyanescens trip feels different than a p. cubensis trip. its why certain strains of weed feel different because of the different balances between THC and cannabinol
who assumes the impurities in LSD are not psychoactive?
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Re: "Clean" Acid vs "Dirty" Acid [Re: sailing]
#18779015 - 08/30/13 07:48 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I understand that. You're making sense.
I assumed that impurities were not psychoactive because of everyones HUGE desire for the most pure product. If the a product was more impure with a non psychoactive compound it would just be cheaper and have a higher dosage for desired effect. Like cuts on meth or cocaine. If the impurities were psychoactive then what would it matter?...unless they increased vasoconstriction or a negative psychical effect. That I could understand but how would an impure product increase visuals and if so then why would it matter how impure a product is? Sounds backwards.
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Re: "Clean" Acid vs "Dirty" Acid [Re: GreySatyr]
#18779028 - 08/30/13 07:51 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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GreyMorph said: I understand that. You're making sense.
I assumed that impurities were not psychoactive because of everyones HUGE desire for the most pure product. If the a product was more impure with a non psychoactive compound it would just be cheaper and have a higher dosage for desired effect. Like cuts on meth or cocaine. If the impurities were psychoactive then what would it matter?...unless they increased vasoconstriction or a negative psychical effect. That I could understand but how would an impure product increase visuals and if so then why would it matter how impure a product is? Sounds backwards.
this is not cutting the product that im talking about. its that whenever you have a chemical process, there will always be extra shit that didnt quite turn into whatever you wanted. thats where purity comes from, the percentage of wanted product vs unwanted product. thats why chemists crystalize and recrystalize to get a little higher purity by slowly getting rid of unwanted product. but no matter how many times they recrystalize it will never be 100%, just doesnt happen. and not everything psychoactive is good.
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Re: "Clean" Acid vs "Dirty" Acid [Re: sailing]
#18779037 - 08/30/13 07:55 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I understand that, fucksakes.
Good is subjective.
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Re: "Clean" Acid vs "Dirty" Acid [Re: GreySatyr]
#18779051 - 08/30/13 07:57 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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GreyMorph said: I understand that, fucksakes.
Good is subjective.
i get the feeling we're talking about 2 different things here.
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Re: "Clean" Acid vs "Dirty" Acid [Re: sailing]
#18779087 - 08/30/13 08:09 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Not really, I understand what you're saying. The whole impurity=negative thing is what I fa to comprehend. There really hasn't been a scientific study that I'm aware of to show the effects and since psychedelics are already highly subjective then I don't they could point out the negative or positive results of certain impurities. It's just up for debate between chemists I believe. Sativa and indica strains, that I get but there is no LSD varieties that I'm aware. I mean needlepoint and silver fluff or whatever, yeah but what's the scientific name of these "impurities", I've read of the psychoactive impurities of mushrooms and I'm not concerned since they're naturally grown, who cares? They'll always be there unless I extract and I don't plan on doin it unless I'm a chemist. Ill never know the purity of my LsD either unless I luck out and meet a chemist...highly unlikely.
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