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Planting trees for mushrooms.
    #18771394 - 08/29/13 12:21 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I am putting in valley bottom trees and converting cattle pasture to a tree plantation for long term mushroom production and was wondering if anyone had any tips for good types. I have a mix of well drained and poorly drained valley bottom. It is much more energy and time efficient to create tree plantations on the bottom-land than getting mushroom logs off of slopes. You can just cut them down, cut them to size, and stack them into a pickup truck in no time.

Here is the plan so far...

Swamp White Oak - Poorly drained areas
Burr Oak (A type of white oak) - Decently well drained areas
Red Alder - Decently well drained areas

Poplar - Can't decide upon a type of poplar... Got a bunch of eastern poplar planted and growing here. Stuff grows like crazy... But, probably should put in western black poplar... It grows tall and straight trunks easy. Not sure...

I am really not sure about what type of spacing I should plant each type at to get optimal 5"-7" mushroom logs. I am thinking around 8'  for the alder and poplar, not sure about the oaks.

Any other suggestions?


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Re: Planting trees for mushrooms. [Re: loggrower]
    #18771680 - 08/29/13 02:47 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

this sounds awesome!  I would also consider a leguminous ground cover like clover or alfalfa. and I hear that root vegetables like radishes, beets, carrots are great near tree sets.


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Re: Planting trees for mushrooms. [Re: deadmandave]
    #18773875 - 08/29/13 04:15 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Australian native eucalyptus has some fast growing species that are tolerant of a variety of weather conditions.

Blue gum or shining gum are used successfully around the world for shiitake cultivation.  Blue gum is extremely fast growing and is used as plantation hardwood here in Australia.

I know that paper bark (Melaleuca sp.) loves having wet feet, so much so that it's gone crazy in Florida due to the optimal growing conditions.  I don't know how mushrooms grow on this one however.


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Re: Planting trees for mushrooms. [Re: NSF]
    #18774433 - 08/29/13 06:23 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Cedar, hemlock, maple, birch, elm

If I had to pick one, it'd be maple


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Re: Planting trees for mushrooms. [Re: Oeric McKenna]
    #18774677 - 08/29/13 07:20 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Around the PNW it is Red Alder, Maple being a close second.  Birch produces about 10% as much as Alder.


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Re: Planting trees for mushrooms. [Re: mycoloco]
    #18775445 - 08/29/13 10:19 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

But, going back to Poplar for Oysters, does anyone have any expertise in the non-hybrid varieties and whats best for growing fast straight logs in close plantings?


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Re: Planting trees for mushrooms. [Re: loggrower]
    #18775563 - 08/29/13 10:59 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I inoculated 3 large log, 2 small logs, one pole and two stacks of cottonwood with shiitake, oyster, lion's mane and reishi 15 months ago.  As compared to similarly inoculated red alder, the cottonwood colonization has been disappointing.  I will know more when they start to pin and fruit -- maybe next spring.


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Re: Planting trees for mushrooms. [Re: mycoloco]
    #18775602 - 08/29/13 11:12 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

What type of cottonwood? Eastern cottonwood (Deltoidies) or western black cottonwood (Trichocarpa)?


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Re: Planting trees for mushrooms. [Re: loggrower]
    #18775630 - 08/29/13 11:33 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Whatever the naturally occurring cottonwood is in wet spots in the PNW. I believe it is the black cottonwood.


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Re: Planting trees for mushrooms. [Re: mycoloco]
    #18775657 - 08/29/13 11:42 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Does it have triangular heavily serrated leaves or more rounded barely visible serrations?

I am going to try some Eastern Cottonwood(Poplar) this winter then. (Deltoidies) I got lots of it growing and planted here.


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Re: Planting trees for mushrooms. [Re: loggrower]
    #18775783 - 08/30/13 12:59 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Dude I'm sorry. I can tell from your response that you meant for growing mushrooms IN.
I thought you meant planting trees to grow mushrooms UNDER.
  Even so, birch has such life giving properties it would be a good choice for medicinals for specifically sick people. 

In that case, maple, elm


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Re: Planting trees for mushrooms. [Re: Oeric McKenna]
    #18775913 - 08/30/13 02:29 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Elm, that is an interesting one I had not looked at yet...

Btw, as for growing mushrooms under... Fir is the best choice I know of. There is high Banana Slug populations under the alder and maple around here and I wouldn't dare fruit mushrooms under it. The sharp needles deter slugs, in addition to their being not much food for them under a pure fir forest.

I will spawn run/rest logs in a building... Probably do all indoor fruiting too until I get a proper thick young fir forest setup for fruiting


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Re: Planting trees for mushrooms. [Re: loggrower]
    #18775925 - 08/30/13 02:38 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah man. Some of those hard trees like elm & oak, you wouldn't see too much, but your grandkids might!   

For the "under the trees" idea, the trees I mentioned would have the widest selection of gourmet species.
I mean for the symbiotic mushroom/tree in ground relationship.
I love pines too man. Wood nut I am. Tree hugger, literally


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Re: Planting trees for mushrooms. [Re: loggrower]
    #18776687 - 08/30/13 09:55 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Just curious, why do you want non-hybrid types?  A few years ago I planted a coppice of hybrid poplars for firewood.  This has been done successfully for thousands of years with various kinds of trees, but the hybrid poplars are used because they are bred to grow ridiculously fast.  It's a really cool way to grow tall, straight wood with few branches, and can be harvested and re-grown very quickly without re-planting.  This is called "short rotation coppicing."  Here are some links:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coppicing
http://www.coppice.co.uk/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_rotation_coppice
http://www.biomassenergycentre.org.uk/portal/page?_pageid=75,18092&_dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL

And here is where I have been buying my poplar cuttings.  They are the best supplier I have found, and their cuttings are very thick and establish very fast:
http://www.hybridpoplar.com/
Be careful -- there's another site, www.hybridpoplarS.com, and I found their cuttings to be very skinny and inferior to the one above.

You can coppice other types of trees, but they have rotation cycles on the order of decades, whereas the poplars can be cut every 5-8 years, depending on the variety.  The variety I used is called OP-367.  I planted them 3 years ago, and they will be nearly 20 feet tall by the end of this season.

I hope this helps.

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