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Anonymous #1

Ivy league job prospects
    #18775090 - 08/29/13 08:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

If you're hiring someone, would it make any difference if one of your applicants had an Ivy league degree (assume similar in experience, etc.)?


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Anonymous #2

Re: Ivy league job prospects [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #18775141 - 08/29/13 09:07 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

yes... It proves not only knowledge, but also an ability to market ones self. If you can't make any of the ivy leagues, go for Cornell, it isn't -really- an ivy league school, but it is grouped there because there originally were four schools and they called themselves the IV league, which became ivy.


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Anonymous #3

Re: Ivy league job prospects [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #18775195 - 08/29/13 09:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

It makes some difference but a persons ability in knowledge and marketing can come from many other good colleges as well (remember not everyone can afford the ivy leagues). And to the etymology of the ivy leagues, it is more likely that it has to do with the ivy planting ceremonies, since the ivy leagues never consisted of four schools.


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Anonymous #2

Re: Ivy league job prospects [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #18775338 - 08/29/13 09:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

A common folk etymology attributes the name to the Roman numerals for four (IV), asserting that there was such a sports league originally with four members. The Morris Dictionary of Word and Phrase Origins helped to perpetuate this belief. The supposed "IV League" was formed over a century ago and consisted of Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and a 4th school that varies depending on who is telling the story.[38][39][40] However, it is clear that Harvard, Princeton, Yale and Columbia met on November 23, 1876 at the so-called Massasoit Convention to decide on uniform rules for the emerging game of American football, which rapidly spread.[41]


Although, that though never came to mind, I may stand corrected.


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Anonymous #4

Re: Ivy league job prospects [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #18776492 - 08/30/13 08:40 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #2 said:
yes... It proves not only knowledge, but also an ability to market ones self. If you can't make any of the ivy leagues, go for Cornell, it isn't -really- an ivy league school, but it is grouped there because there originally were four schools and they called themselves the IV league, which became ivy.




"It proves..an ability to market one self."

No it doesn't, it proves one had the ability to be accepted into a very competitive college, and graduate from that school. The ability to market one self has nothing to do with being from a Ivy league school.

Many companies DO NOT hire Ivy league graduates, grads think they already know everything (when they don't), and management does not like that type of attitude, who could blame them.


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Anonymous #5

Re: Ivy league job prospects [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #18776686 - 08/30/13 09:54 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

With absolutely ALL things being equal, sure, an IVY league school will probably give you a competitive edge.  That scenario is rare in the real world though.

In general, the effect of an ivy league school depends on the field.

In some occupations, hiring can be heavily influenced by the school you attended.  Things like law, and an MBA degree come to mind.  I believe other fields like computer science are also influenced by the institution you're educated at.

In other fields, like the basic sciences, nobody really gives a shit.


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Anonymous #6

Re: Ivy league job prospects [Re: Anonymous #5]
    #18785896 - 09/01/13 03:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

well obviously.....you can major in almost anything at an ivy and expect a well paying job right out of college


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Anonymous #7

Re: Ivy league job prospects [Re: Anonymous #6]
    #18788604 - 09/02/13 07:42 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Anonymous #6 said:
well obviously.....you can major in almost anything at an ivy and expect a well paying job right out of college



Some big banks in NYC hire philosophy majors right out of the ivy leagues starting salaries at like 100k a year!


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Anonymous #8

Re: Ivy league job prospects [Re: Anonymous #7]
    #18796623 - 09/03/13 09:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

No.  They are usually pretentious douche bags who can't talk to a regular cat.


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Anonymous #7

Re: Ivy league job prospects [Re: Anonymous #8]
    #18797166 - 09/03/13 11:08 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Anonymous #8 said:
No.  They are usually pretentious douche bags who can't talk to a regular cat.



Hardly they are just blessed with wealth and intelligence


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Anonymous #4

Re: Ivy league job prospects [Re: Anonymous #7]
    #18797225 - 09/03/13 11:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #7 said:
Quote:

Anonymous #8 said:
No.  They are usually pretentious douche bags who can't talk to a regular cat.



Hardly they are just blessed with wealth and intelligence





Most are blessed with wealth, no denying that fact, but as far as intelligence?  Nothing special relative to the most collegiate high achievers.

Ivy League is all hype, I know tons of Ivy grads, they are far from special, it's called hard work and motivation, intelligence is small factor in relative terms.


Edited by Anonymous (09/03/13 11:24 PM)


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Anonymous #9

Re: Ivy league job prospects [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #18804045 - 09/05/13 04:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Hey - I'm dealing with this right now as I'm about to graduate from business school.  This is somewhat more true for business school than undergrad, but in my case DEFINITELY yes.  Certain top firms will ONLY recruit / hire from top business schools.  You have to want to want to go to work for Goldman Sachs or McKinsey for it to matter, but if you want to work at the upper echelon of consulting and finance, in particular, an Ivy League background is nearly a prerequisite. 

Undergrad... Yes and no.  You'll stand out in the veritable stack of resumes employers will receive, so you'll get some benefit but you'll still have to sell yourself during the interview.

Another thing to think about is if you have ambitions of working for a top firm in law, finance, or consulting, you'll want to go to a top law or business school program.  And in that case, going to a top undergraduate program (doesn't have to be Ivy, just not East Armpit Technical) is a big leg-up during the admissions process.  Your choice of undergraduate school will affect your admissions process down the line (and really does impact more than just your first job prospects).

Don't let the nay-sayers convince you that world is only for the wealthy or that any background will do.  Lots of scholarships are handed out at top schools (trust me - the cost of university attendance is the equivalent of a car's "sticker price" and can be negotiated or subsidized), and econ degrees, finance degrees, undergraduate business degrees, and accounting degrees definitely get a second nod in the business community, as does hard work demonstrated by high GPA and test scores.  All of this is doubly true in a weak and selective hiring environment as we are now.

Good luck.  Happy to assist if I can be helpful.


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Anonymous #10

Re: Ivy league job prospects [Re: Anonymous #9]
    #18810005 - 09/06/13 11:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Not really, because many can simply buy themselves into the Ivy Leagues if you come from wealth. The Rich Chinese are now flooding top American Universities, which has turned many off. To the Asians what school you go to is everything because they hope to buy up America's resources, businesses, and real estate.

It would also depend on your profession. In Law it is important what school you go to so they can bill clients more. 10 years out of college nobody really cares and experience is more sought after.

I know some business owners who don't hire Ivy League because they have too much theory and less real world application.


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Anonymous #9

Re: Ivy league job prospects [Re: Anonymous #10]
    #18811817 - 09/07/13 02:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #10 said:
Not really, because many can simply buy themselves into the Ivy Leagues if you come from wealth. The Rich Chinese are now flooding top American Universities, which has turned many off. To the Asians what school you go to is everything because they hope to buy up America's resources, businesses, and real estate.




Wealth and ability to pay your way helps, but doesn't guarantee admission or preclude US citizens from attending college or receiving financial aid and scholarships.  It also helps that foreign students tend to absolutely murder standardized tests because - guess what - they work really hard.

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It would also depend on your profession. In Law it is important what school you go to so they can bill clients more. 10 years out of college nobody really cares and experience is more sought after.





Agree to disagree here I suppose, but I just read that Harvard has more CEOs of Fortune 500 companies than any other school, and the list progresses predictably: Stanford, MIT, Wharton, etc.  Certainly choice of school did not cause these former students' success, but...

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I know some business owners who don't hire Ivy League because they have too much theory and less real world application.




Does that mean that lower ranked schools, by virtue of being lower ranked, grant students greater real-world experience?  I don't think so.  My guess would be that they're not looking for people with a lot of horsepower and ambition which can be difficult to motivate and manage, especially if they're hiring for support-level positions.

OP: work hard and do as well as you can.  That, in and of itself, is admirable.  Just don't let people convince you to give up before you've given it your best shot.


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Anonymous #11

Re: Ivy league job prospects [Re: Anonymous #9]
    #18824835 - 09/10/13 07:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The Ivy League Is a life of luxury.


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