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Evil Punkster
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I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs
#18773939 - 08/29/13 04:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have aspergers syndrome. I don't think there are many people with mental illnesses who use drugs, especially with autism, but I'm very curious. Does anyone of you suffer a mental illness and use drugs?
If so, what are your experiences with it?
As for me, I really love Spice and magic mushrooms. However, my spice trips sometimes seem weird to me, like if I had autism times 1000. Very crazy But I didn't have a single bad trip out of about 150.
Edit: I also experience fractal like visuals as if I'm zooming in on an infinitely large 3D fractal. They are most common in Spice and appear with eyes either closed or open. And these fractals gave me the feeling of being real, like this is the meaning of everything. Anyone else experienced this?
How about you?
-------------------- ToDo List: LSD, MDMA, DiPT Done:
- Alcohol, Caffeine, Nicotine
- Weed, Spice (JWH-210
, JWH-250, UR-144), AKB-48, AM-2201, - Mushrooms
, LSA, 4-HO-MET, AL-LAD, 25i-NBOMe, 2C-C, 2C-P - 5-MeO-DMT
, N2O, DXM , 3-MeO-PCP, 2-MeO-Ketamine, Salvia - 4-FA, Ethylphenidate
Edited by Evil Punkster (08/29/13 04:50 PM)
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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: Evil Punkster]
#18774687 - 08/29/13 07:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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What is your experience with real weed, if you don't mind me asking?
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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: windowlikcer] 1
#18774785 - 08/29/13 07:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Most people like me are fairly self centered and thus mentally ill IMO. That is most effectively cured by mescaline.
Also mescaline is fucking amazing at increasing empathy and social skills, tryit fucking now lol
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MagicalOrangutan said: tryit fucking now lol
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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: Labs4858]
#18774863 - 08/29/13 08:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Labs have you tried mescaline yet haha
-------------------- On the ground you lay, with your dogs you pray, at a neon hieroglyph sky you gaze Hugging your mind, praying to survive, feeling the love of the hieroglyphs in the sky We all need more love, and mainly less hate Hate is the blind that covers the heart's eye That makes the heart's eye cry Locked deep away in the skies of our minds It's all in the mind
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Chief keef has aspergers and im pretty sure he smokes weed
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MagicalOrangutan said: Labs have you tried mescaline yet haha
No i have not! Not sure where I would get it around these parts!
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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: Labs4858]
#18775019 - 08/29/13 08:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Not mentally ill, well at least not diagnosed as mentally ill.
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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: GreySatyr]
#18775138 - 08/29/13 09:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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i think most people who trip are mentally ill.
i have anxiety, and some combination of add and ocd. honestly i think the acid helped my anxiety alot, even though my trips were usually filled with anxiety, it took the edge off between trips.
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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: sailing]
#18775175 - 08/29/13 09:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'll say it till the cows come home, mescaline will make you enjoy being humble, and just a calm no anxiety anger free person who loves just living.
Lol sailing I have add, ocd, possible tourettes and probably borderline aspergers..mescaline doesn't do shit for add, but it has greatly relieved everything else I mentioned 
Not to mention..it's an incredible aphrodisiac. I need to actually try it with this girl I'm talking to when I finally lay her down..it will be soul-gasm.
-------------------- On the ground you lay, with your dogs you pray, at a neon hieroglyph sky you gaze Hugging your mind, praying to survive, feeling the love of the hieroglyphs in the sky We all need more love, and mainly less hate Hate is the blind that covers the heart's eye That makes the heart's eye cry Locked deep away in the skies of our minds It's all in the mind
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Quote:
MagicalOrangutan said: I'll say it till the cows come home, mescaline will make you enjoy being humble, and just a calm no anxiety anger free person who loves just living.
Lol sailing I have add, ocd, possible tourettes and probably borderline aspergers..mescaline doesn't do shit for add, but it has greatly relieved everything else I mentioned 
Not to mention..it's an incredible aphrodisiac. I need to actually try it with this girl I'm talking to when I finally lay her down..it will be soul-gasm. 
yeah, i havent had the chance to try mesc, but lsd has been really theraputic in every apect, it probly made the add worse, but for completely stripping away the anxiety, id make that trade off anyday.
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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: sailing]
#18775206 - 08/29/13 09:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hm. Mescaline doesn't help anxiety in the long term, but it does for a few days. Plus there is no anxiety during the trip itself. However it's fairly speedy and you feel an adrenaline rush that I've never felt on other psychedelics. I love that feeling tho.
-------------------- On the ground you lay, with your dogs you pray, at a neon hieroglyph sky you gaze Hugging your mind, praying to survive, feeling the love of the hieroglyphs in the sky We all need more love, and mainly less hate Hate is the blind that covers the heart's eye That makes the heart's eye cry Locked deep away in the skies of our minds It's all in the mind
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yeah, lsd only helps anxiety for about a month, a month after i quit, the anxiety came back, and 3 months later i had my first anxiety attack in 3 years.
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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: sailing]
#18775247 - 08/29/13 09:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm surprised that there's no anxiety on a mescaline trip yet there often is on LSD, considering LSD is physically harmless and mescaline feels rather speedy and like your blood pressure is way high lol
-------------------- On the ground you lay, with your dogs you pray, at a neon hieroglyph sky you gaze Hugging your mind, praying to survive, feeling the love of the hieroglyphs in the sky We all need more love, and mainly less hate Hate is the blind that covers the heart's eye That makes the heart's eye cry Locked deep away in the skies of our minds It's all in the mind
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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: windowlikcer]
#18776053 - 08/30/13 03:51 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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windowlikcer said: What is your experience with real weed, if you don't mind me asking?
I have smoked once. It was very weak, probably shitty weed tho. Also I'm addicted to spice and currently abstinent. If I use mushrooms or other psychedelics, they will lead me directly back to spice, so I can't use these anymore, I think.
-------------------- ToDo List: LSD, MDMA, DiPT Done:
- Alcohol, Caffeine, Nicotine
- Weed, Spice (JWH-210
, JWH-250, UR-144), AKB-48, AM-2201, - Mushrooms
, LSA, 4-HO-MET, AL-LAD, 25i-NBOMe, 2C-C, 2C-P - 5-MeO-DMT
, N2O, DXM , 3-MeO-PCP, 2-MeO-Ketamine, Salvia - 4-FA, Ethylphenidate
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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: Evil Punkster]
#18776154 - 08/30/13 05:26 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Typical drug denial and fiending.
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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: GreySatyr]
#18776198 - 08/30/13 06:10 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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GreyMorph said: Typical drug denial and fiending.
What, me? I'm not a drug denial. I love drugs but Spice almost destroyed everything I have.
So, what are you trying to say?
-------------------- ToDo List: LSD, MDMA, DiPT Done:
- Alcohol, Caffeine, Nicotine
- Weed, Spice (JWH-210
, JWH-250, UR-144), AKB-48, AM-2201, - Mushrooms
, LSA, 4-HO-MET, AL-LAD, 25i-NBOMe, 2C-C, 2C-P - 5-MeO-DMT
, N2O, DXM , 3-MeO-PCP, 2-MeO-Ketamine, Salvia - 4-FA, Ethylphenidate
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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: Evil Punkster]
#18776246 - 08/30/13 06:44 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hi OP, you might want to check out Alicia Danforth's work.
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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: Evil Punkster]
#18776611 - 08/30/13 09:22 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well personally i have,ive been diagnosed with severe ADHD, depression,bi-polar,severe anxiety at one point but never anything super bad like aspbergers,turret or Autism. However one of my (friends) had Autism,ADHD and turrets but we always just tryed to treat him like one of the guys,ya know. Except EVERYTIME he would buy a sack of weed from 20-50$ he would insist on smoking it all at once just because he thought it was cool to smoke bowl after bowl.I didnt mind the free hit here and there but the more weed he smoked he got LOUD and not just loud but obnoxious and annoying.
One of those "do you guys hate me" all the time kinda deals.We looked past that even but then it got to the point where he'd get super high at night too and he would throw rocks at my best friends trailer while he was fucking chicks.
My best friend told me one time he did that and he gave him a warning,he said "stop throwing fucking rocks at my trailer" and goes back to fucking his girl,then he throws a big ass rock again so my best friend runs out the trailer and is about to choke the life out of him but he let him leave.
Then we decided to give him another shot after many fucked up things he did getting us caught up and shit. We get super drunk at my house but i knew T couldnt handle taking the drugs and alcohol we were taking but he INSISTS he smoked drank and did drugs with us.Me and my 2 best friends and my cousin went outside to smoke more weed but this time he stayed inside.I go to check my face the next morning,MOTHERFUCKER broke it and at first he said he'd pay me back every cent(so i wouldnt beat the shit out of him) now he's saying to go fuck off basically.
Also he called my best friend a nigger and my brothers girl a fat ass cunt,then he apologized and is currently talking shit AGAIN behind our backs.Now if i was 16 and had something to prove and didnt give a shit,id beat him to a bloody pulp out of him but im above that as long as he doesnt go to far.
Sorry for rambling on but this dude has pissed me and every single one of my friends off 2-3 times each after we tried to help him stay out of the housing project with his "blood" friends that use him as a patsy.And made him part of our group of friends,mentored him, tried to teach him dignity and respect,he just says fuck you all.I don't think he would have done or said ANY of that had he not been so infatuated by doing as much and the same drugs as "popular people" in his eyes do.And the fact that his autism,turrets and ADHD didnt help his mental stability at all its made it progressively worse
In Summary i chilled with this guy on and off for like 2 years and when he stopped doing drugs for a little bit he actually seemed semi normal,which leads me to the theory that if you have something as severe as aspbergers,turrets or Autism and you use drugs ALL THE TIME it changes you somehow.That being said moderations the key,when he was moderating his shit he was doing pretty good too.Its just when he started smoking weed all the time and drinking doing pills and shit that it got intolerable for everyone except his ganbanger friends
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Edited by Seriously_trippin (08/30/13 09:30 AM)
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Yeah, you're rambling to people who don't give a flying fuck about your pathetic drama..so thanks for apologizing
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I didnt even want to talk about this motherfucker but i thought it might help OP to hear of someone in a similar situation that went down the wrong road sorry for all the "pathetic drama".
-------------------- R.I.P Zombi3, Blue Helix Modest Mouse Zappa Slothie That Kid With The face ShLong Le Canard split_by_nine & Big Worm Forever Etched in the sands of time in the shroomery and ever so beloved and deeply missed by many
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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: Evil Punkster]
#18776746 - 08/30/13 10:24 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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You said that mushrooms may lead you to spice? Like youre going to eat some shrooms then there is going to be some huge hallucinogenic neon sign glowing and saying "SMOKE SPICE", dude that is some straight DARE bull shit if I ever saw it. You have free will. Mushrooms aren't gonna hold a knife to your throat till you smoke spice...
Spice sucks BTW, it's for layman.
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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: Evil Punkster]
#18777022 - 08/30/13 11:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I tend to smoke weed to relieve depression and sometimes because of social anxiety. Never tried synthetic weed though, is it even close to the real thing?
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MagicalOrangutan said: Yeah, you're rambling to people who don't give a flying fuck about your pathetic drama..so thanks for apologizing
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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: theRAPeutic]
#18777051 - 08/30/13 11:50 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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No shroomlowie, I hear it's like a mix of Datura and Salvia. Stick to the real bud
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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: theRAPeutic]
#18777295 - 08/30/13 01:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I am drugs and I use the mentally ill
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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: theRAPeutic]
#18777450 - 08/30/13 01:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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tahp93 said: No shroomlowie, I hear it's like a mix of Datura and Salvia. Stick to the real bud
Oh right, I've also read accounts of it being dangerous, I only queried as I've read it's supposed to produce relatively close effects to what real bud does and wanted a users opinion. Real bud will do just fine though
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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: shroomlowie]
#18778230 - 08/30/13 04:34 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well, I've managed to quit spice for almost 3 months. Then I took some shrooms because what the hey. And after I was in my psychedelic mind again, days later, I felt the urge to smoke spice.
It's just how I feel. If you haven't experienced addiction, you don't know how it's like. It's like I need more spice just because I had a bad day or I can remember pleasurable episodes of the trip.
My mind is just so fucked up by Spice, that I can't even use harmless drugs such as mushrooms anymore... That's what I meant.
-------------------- ToDo List: LSD, MDMA, DiPT Done:
- Alcohol, Caffeine, Nicotine
- Weed, Spice (JWH-210
, JWH-250, UR-144), AKB-48, AM-2201, - Mushrooms
, LSA, 4-HO-MET, AL-LAD, 25i-NBOMe, 2C-C, 2C-P - 5-MeO-DMT
, N2O, DXM , 3-MeO-PCP, 2-MeO-Ketamine, Salvia - 4-FA, Ethylphenidate
Edited by Evil Punkster (08/30/13 04:51 PM)
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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: shroomlowie]
#18778639 - 08/30/13 06:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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shroomlowie said: I tend to smoke weed to relieve depression and sometimes because of social anxiety. Never tried synthetic weed though, is it even close to the real thing?
Nah, I've heard some people say that they trip and shit off it. I smoked it on several occasions and really didn't feel shit. I only felt a shitty body buzz and a lazy like high that had no euphoria, it also tastes horrible and I've also heard that its dangerous. The best spice that I ever smoked only gave me a very short weed like high and that was the best that spice had to offer me.
OP, I've never had a drug problem and I've tried nearly all of them. I think that your self control and will power is the issue and not drug use.
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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: GreySatyr]
#18778654 - 08/30/13 06:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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shroomlowie said: I tend to smoke weed to relieve depression and sometimes because of social anxiety. Never tried synthetic weed though, is it even close to the real thing?
Nah, I've heard some people say that they trip and shit off it. I smoked it on several occasions and really didn't feel shit. I only felt a shitty body buzz and a lazy like high that had no euphoria, it also tastes horrible and I've also heard that its dangerous. The best spice that I ever smoked only gave me a very short weed like high and that was the best that spice had to offer me.
OP, I've never had a drug problem and I've tried nearly all of them. I think that your self control and will power is the issue and not drug use.
the perspective you gain after you use drugs is the issue.
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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: mr sniffles]
#18778707 - 08/30/13 06:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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That is no issue. The addictive qualities of drugs are typically euphoria based not altered perception. The added perspective that you gain is a bonus of insight from your own brain that can typically be drawn from again if used properly, if not then you get guys like the Op who need to use again to see from this perspective. Of course, it is nice to renew your perspective\perception on occasion but to fall victim to a chemical is pure lack of will power. Using it effectively is key.
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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: GreySatyr]
#18778803 - 08/30/13 07:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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GreyMorph said: That is no issue. The addictive qualities of drugs are typically euphoria based not altered perception. The added perspective that you gain is a bonus of insight from your own brain that can typically be drawn from again if used properly, if not then you get guys like the Op who need to use again to see from this perspective. Of course, it is nice to renew your perspective\perception on occasion but to fall victim to a chemical is pure lack of will power. Using it effectively is key.
as much as i agree with that, the same insight can be gained from meditation. the drugs only force you into a meditative mindset. I forget who said it, but one of my favorite quotes is "it takes more courage to explore the deepest parts of your own mind than it does for a soldier to go into battle." I think thats when people get broken is when they become traumatized by the experience, the symptoms of drug induced psychosis is very similar to the effects of acute stress reaction. but like you said, the addiction is purely psychological with these drugs, and are fueled by a obsessive desire to induce euphoria.
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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: sailing]
#18778973 - 08/30/13 07:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Agree.
I think of psychedelics as a key to my mind/soul. I believe meditation is like peering through the keyhole or through a window or the crack under the door. I believe that after you've used the key you can open the door any time you like with meditation but you can't blow it off its hinges without the key. Most people say we don't need drugs to visit altered states but I believe that's what they're here for specifically. We need air to breathe, water to quench our thirst, food for energy, medicine for health, why wouldn't we NEED psychedelics to venture our own mind or souls?
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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: GreySatyr]
#18779011 - 08/30/13 07:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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GreyMorph said: Agree.
I think of psychedelics as a key to my mind/soul. I believe meditation is like peering through the keyhole or through a window or the crack under the door. I believe that after you've used the key you can open the door any time you like with meditation but you can't blow it off its hinges without the key. Most people say we don't need drugs to visit altered states but I believe that's what they're here for specifically. We need air to breathe, water to quench our thirst, food for energy, medicine for health, why wouldn't we NEED psychedelics to venture our own mind or souls?
I think you vastly underestimate the power of the mind. meditation is very powerful if you are practiced in it. to say we NEED anything is counter-intuitive in my very personal opinion. The only thing i NEED is to live and then die. whatever happens in between that is entirely up to me and my desires.
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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: sailing]
#18779027 - 08/30/13 07:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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You need food, water and air if you desire to live. Why would you not need psychedelics if you desired to explore your inner self? If you desired to survive an allergic reaction to a bee sting then you would need medicine. Sure, you may survive without it but is is healthy or more beneficial to do without? Most would say no. Needs are needs. You need things to fulfill desires.
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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: GreySatyr]
#18779043 - 08/30/13 07:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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GreyMorph said: You need food, water and air if you desire to live. Why would you not need psychedelics if you desired to explore your inner self? If you desired to survive an allergic reaction to a bee sting then you would need medicine. Sure, you may survive without it but is is healthy or more beneficial to do without? Most would say no. Needs are needs. You need things to fulfill desires.
I was born once, i could have lived for a good 10 minutes without food water or air, and then died. That would fulfill everything thats required of me in this life. i WANT to live, so I WANT food water and air. but i dont NEED to live, so i dont NEED food water and air.
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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: sailing]
#18779100 - 08/30/13 08:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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You want to live so you do NEED these things...and I don't think you'd live ten minutes without air..I know that you don't NEED to live however you have necessities to accomplish what you want.
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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: Evil Punkster]
#18779394 - 08/30/13 09:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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To OP's post, I consider myself mentally "fragile" to a certain extent, but I've never been diagnosed professionally. Partly out of that not-wanting-to-know if something is definitely wrong, but also because I don't want to be a slave to a pharmaceutical and medical records that follow me around the rest of my life.
I've managed up to this point to reign in my insanity and be fairly normal, though I do have my draw backs. I have a family history of depression, bi-polar tendencies, but my biggest struggle that I deal with is social anxiety. My cynical mind would like to think that's a made up term but having lived with it for so many years I can't help but to come to terms with it. People have also wanted to slap the aspergers label on me but I don't think that I'm down that road, maybe just flirting with it a bit.
On the drug use side of things, I was very cautious in approaching it as I know mental instabilities and strong psychoactive substances aren't the best combinations. But my fascination with the psychedelic world ended up overriding my hesitations and I for one am glad that that happened. And the biggest help, so far, was my marijuana use. I smoked weed for years before I ever did a psychedelic, but I did it in as almost a psychedelic way as possible; in solitary settings, meditatively, setting intentions and diving deeply introspective to places I wasn't necessarily comfortable with, but I came out a better person on the other side. I considered it a therapy of sorts as it has helped tremendously with the anxiety side of things, and am grateful for what I was able to come out of it with. As for full blown psychedelics themselves, I've only barely gotten my feet wet, so we'll see how that plays out.
I don't want to encourage others who are struggling with mental illness to do as I've done, but in my case it worked out for the better. For whatever it's worth
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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: Evil Punkster]
#18779603 - 08/30/13 10:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Aspergers is an autism spectrum condition and OP I'm sure you have heard about this study?
Pretty moving stuff :P
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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: GreySatyr]
#18780396 - 08/31/13 06:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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GreyMorph said: The addictive qualities of drugs are typically euphoria based not altered perception.
For me, I think it's not the case. I used 4-FA (MDMA analouge) before and it's very euphoric but I did not at all get addicted to it. I have no interest in using it what so ever.
The problem is, I'm bored all day, I am depressed, have very few friends living far away. I have very few hobbies etc. That comes all together to support an addiction. I live in my own autistic world all day but after smoking spice it's like I'm trapped inside this crazy world, far far away from reality. Hard to describe. I think my high is different than the one of others.
I think everyone has a specific drug they would enjoy. For me, it's spice. For others it might be ketamine, heroin, MDMA... anything! Maybe I would not get addicted to heroin as much as someone else because it's not what I'm looking for.
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, JWH-250, UR-144), AKB-48, AM-2201, - Mushrooms
, LSA, 4-HO-MET, AL-LAD, 25i-NBOMe, 2C-C, 2C-P - 5-MeO-DMT
, N2O, DXM , 3-MeO-PCP, 2-MeO-Ketamine, Salvia - 4-FA, Ethylphenidate
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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: Evil Punkster]
#18780539 - 08/31/13 08:22 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think you just stated your real problems. You just use spice to escape the fact that you have let your life become dull and you haven't applied any flare to it. You need friends, hobbies, work, your mind desires an outlet of use and you only use it when you smoke spice. You're suffering of your own will. Only you have the power to change your life and make it worthwhile.
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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: GreySatyr]
#18780583 - 08/31/13 08:39 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks. I'm working on it the best I can. I know it's gonna be a long way with many relapses. But eventually I'll be abstinent. It's also sad that I can't use non-addictive drugs like mushrooms, because they may cause a relapse...
I was totally anti-drug 2 years before. Then I became interested and tried drugs and loved it. Today, I know that I should have known better. I'm not saying drugs are bad and will lead everyone to addiction or problems. But for me they did and so I'm recommending drug use with caution.
I didn't listen to people telling me to stay away from drugs, now I'm addicted. If anyone asks me, I will warn them about the possible risks and they will probably not listen to me just as I did. Don't get me wrong, I'm definitely not anti-drugs. But for me, drugs caused many problems. Most people will not have problems, tho...
I honestly don't know if I should be pro-drugs or anti-drugs now... I think everyone should try it, but I also know that a handful of people like me will eventually flush their live down the toilet.
If I'd only stayed away from Spice, I could have had wonderful experiences one after the other without having any problems at all.
-------------------- ToDo List: LSD, MDMA, DiPT Done:
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, JWH-250, UR-144), AKB-48, AM-2201, - Mushrooms
, LSA, 4-HO-MET, AL-LAD, 25i-NBOMe, 2C-C, 2C-P - 5-MeO-DMT
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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: Evil Punkster]
#18781083 - 08/31/13 11:53 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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You shouldn't be pro or anti drugs. You should spread the truth of drugs and let other decide of their own will instead of trying to turn people one way or the other. As for you, it's not a drug that causes a relapse, it is the mind state that you're in right now that is causing the relapses.
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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: GreySatyr]
#18781973 - 08/31/13 04:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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What grey said....
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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: Evil Punkster]
#18782578 - 08/31/13 07:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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To the OP...I can relate to your thread title. I'd like to say, though, I don't find the autism spectrum to be a mental "illness", I can't stand that label. It's just a different operating system of sorts, a different way of perceiving the world, nature has a use and need for neuro-diversity, the collective that is humanity needs a diverse mix of different ways of thinking/perceiving. I think the autism spectrum is mis-understoond by a lot of folks.
I am on the autism spectrum and find psychoactive plants/chemicals and altered states of consciousness to be super interesting, both are deep interests of mine. Growing up I was naive when it came to drugs, caught up in all the propaganda, but I've always been a super curious person. Eventually curiosity and knowledge of the truth in regards to drugs got to me and I tried alcohol and cannabis....Even before I tried my first drug, alcohol, I was finding ways to alter my consciousness and/or explore my mind from as far back as I can remember (using various methods such as, spinning in circles, doing mantras that I made up, repetitive movements that would trance me out in a way, lucid dreaming, etc...). Though I have dabbled with a wide variety of actives (erm, "drugs"), my main interest is cannabis and the classic psychedelics (and psychoactive plants/ medicinal herbs generally). I didn't get a buzz from alcohol for my first time until I was around 17 or 18, didn't smoke weed until I was 19, and didn't trip for my first time until I was 20. Also do months of research into anything before I try it.
I use cannabis every day and have been doing so for the past 6 years, besides a few days I'll go with out here and there. I use it more as a medicine rather than something purely to get "high" off of....that's not to say I don't like getting really high and stoned out of my gourd from time to time...I'm just saying generally all I smoke is a tenth to two tenths of a gram a day, a hit off the pipe or bong every few hours, no need to smoke myself into a stupor all day long. It dulls down social anxiety and anxiety in general, helps me sleep, usually I can socialize and interact a bit better after smoking, it just all around smooths things out for me and packs a whole bunch of other health benefits.
Can I ask why you smoke spice instead of real cannabis? As you probably already know, the synthetic cannabinoids found in those spice blends are not as "safe" and benevolent as cannabis. I believe most of them are full cannabinoid CB1 agonists, with little to no action on CB2. In comparison to natural cannabinoids like THC, which is only a partial agonists. And in real cannabis there's a whole bunch of other cannabinoids and terpenes that touch other parts of the cannabinoid system and balance out the effects. All the spice chemicals do is hit CB1 heavily, bringing out far more side effects.
MDMA helped me out a lot with problems I have associated with being on the spectrum. I'm not even going to begin trying to find the words to explain, and it'd likely end up a ridiculous long rant with many tangents, so I'll just say that my first couple experiences with mdma was a huge eye opener for me. I'll go into things more detailed if you want, or through PM.
I've always been in my own little "bubble", constantly in my mind, spacing out and thinking about random shit, going over patterns, visualizing concepts non-stop, and on and on....Being the curious, introspective, observant, non-verbal thinking, chill passive dude that I am, with a decent amount of self control...Psychedelics & drugs in general are something that really meshes with me well .
I've talked to quite a handful of folks that are on the autism spectrum that smoke cannabis regularly, and for similar reasons and amounts that I use it. And quite a few of those that are interested in psychedelics as well. Though it seems like a lot of people on the spectrum are doped up on pharmaceutical anti-depressants, stimulants, anti-psychotics, etc etc etc, caught up in that viscous cycle of non-sense chemicals.
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GreyMorph said: You shouldn't be pro or anti drugs. You should spread the truth of drugs and let other decide of their own will instead of trying to turn people one way or the other. As for you, it's not a drug that causes a relapse, it is the mind state that you're in right now that is causing the relapses.
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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: openmind]
#18784167 - 09/01/13 05:12 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Can I ask why you smoke spice instead of real cannabis?
Because I don't leave my house unless I really need to. I only go outside to go to work and then return home. I tried to buy some weed with a friend some time ago and got ripped off. I'm afraid to talk to people, you know. Going outside is a big toll on my psych. I buy everything from Amazon even if it costs a lot more.
Spice is something I can order online. Also the effects are so strong, that I can perceive morphing 3D images everywhere. I don't think weed can give me this. It's like staring at the wall and seeing a beautiful movie appearing there.
I just like to get heavily stoned and I always enjoyed it, about 150 times without a single bad experience.
Currently, I'm trying to stay abstinent. I already got a week.
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- Alcohol, Caffeine, Nicotine
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, JWH-250, UR-144), AKB-48, AM-2201, - Mushrooms
, LSA, 4-HO-MET, AL-LAD, 25i-NBOMe, 2C-C, 2C-P - 5-MeO-DMT
, N2O, DXM , 3-MeO-PCP, 2-MeO-Ketamine, Salvia - 4-FA, Ethylphenidate
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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: Evil Punkster]
#18785076 - 09/01/13 12:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think your real problem is your idle mind. When I was younger and I had a idle mind I found myself addicted to porn, Mountain Dew and video games. Your problem is that you have no drive, no focus, no motivation, no hobbies, no interests, no goals ect and ect.
In other words, you're wasting your life away without realizing this and the potential that you have to alter your own perception by just doing something besides smoking spice. Every action creates an altered perception of the world. If I go for a jog it creates and altered reality to what I normally perceive. There is nothing changing in your life and that is why you feel as if you need spice, because it powerfully alters your mind and after having it idle for so long, it feels good to have an altered perception so quickly and powerfully. You're basically using spice to compensate for your lack of using your minds potential when sober. No psychoactive substance should be used this way. A psychoactive should be used to enhance the quality of life, not overcome the lack of life altogether.
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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: GreySatyr]
#18785502 - 09/01/13 02:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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GreyMorph said: I think your real problem is your idle mind.
You nailed it. I think that's my problem. I'm looking forward to stay abstinent, otherwise I will go to rehab. I honestly have no idea how they will help me, but it's worth a try if everything else fails.
-------------------- ToDo List: LSD, MDMA, DiPT Done:
- Alcohol, Caffeine, Nicotine
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, JWH-250, UR-144), AKB-48, AM-2201, - Mushrooms
, LSA, 4-HO-MET, AL-LAD, 25i-NBOMe, 2C-C, 2C-P - 5-MeO-DMT
, N2O, DXM , 3-MeO-PCP, 2-MeO-Ketamine, Salvia - 4-FA, Ethylphenidate
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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: Evil Punkster]
#18786517 - 09/01/13 06:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I haven't had a truly bad day since I first tried psychedelics.
I must be real mentally ill, or a genius. Wait, its the same thing. Naw but seriously even my worst trips taught so much about how I want to live my life, now I'm doing exactly what I dreamed of doing. Living the life I always wanted lead. And its only the beginning, not even too long out of highschool still. It's gonna be an interesting life..
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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: EvolveShrooms]
#18787018 - 09/01/13 08:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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It may help, evil. Then again it may set you back, they will try to brain wash you.
Evolve, I'm sorta in the same boat although I have had bad days, I've lived a rough early life as an adult. Things are getting better though. Psychedelics definitely helped me a lot, they also held me back in some ways but they helped more in most aspects. It just took me a long long time to be able to be a productive person in modern society. It's still difficult but what is life without a little challenge?
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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: GreySatyr]
#18787110 - 09/01/13 09:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Don't do drugs. Life is long.
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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: Yage]
#18787788 - 09/02/13 12:07 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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if you have aspergers and you want to be a part of society i suggest working with your mirror neurons to have a feel of what the people around you are feeling, and then try to integrate that into your interactions with people. it will take a little trial and error but once you figure it out you'd be better at it than people who never had this in mind.
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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: Evil Punkster]
#19522088 - 02/04/14 07:37 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Evil Punkster said: I have aspergers syndrome. I don't think there are many people with mental illnesses who use drugs, especially with autism, but I'm very curious. Does anyone of you suffer a mental illness and use drugs?
Autism of any kind is not a "mental illness." It's a neurological variation. I would expect you of all people to appreciate the difference...
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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: Advocate]
#19522753 - 02/04/14 09:41 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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My brother has asbergers and as a student of psychology and anthropology I can honestly tell you the concept of asbergers is a lie. You have different strengths and weaknesses than what society deems as "normal" Don't let anyone tell you that you're mentally ill, weird or challenged in any way.
Do all the drugs you want as long as you don't begin to prioritize it over work, school, socializing, etc.
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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: Advocate]
#19522774 - 02/04/14 09:44 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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hmmm, my son has and been tested for aspergers, and oppositional defiance disorder. I wanna choke him out most of the time. His IQ is off the charts, but so is his behavior at times..a lot of the times.
I busted him smoking pot. It slows him down a lot and makes him a mouth breather, to the point I can actually tolerate him and talk with him.
Weed, actual weed may be a good thing for you, in moderation. Don't smoke it to get fucked up. Smoke it as a med, not a social escape or party drug.
It may round the edges for you and make you less touchy to your world that you live in.
Fuck spice, that's hobo weed...made in china, you want to smoke anything made in china?
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