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OfflineSeriously_trippin
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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #18776704 - 08/30/13 10:02 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I didnt even want to talk about this motherfucker but i thought it might help OP to hear of someone in a similar situation that went down the wrong road sorry for all the "pathetic drama".


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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: Evil Punkster]
    #18776746 - 08/30/13 10:24 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You said that mushrooms may lead you to spice? Like youre going to eat some shrooms then there is going to be some huge hallucinogenic neon sign glowing and saying "SMOKE SPICE", dude that is some straight DARE bull shit if I ever saw it. You have free will. Mushrooms aren't gonna hold a knife to your throat till you smoke spice...

Spice sucks BTW, it's for layman.


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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: Evil Punkster]
    #18777022 - 08/30/13 11:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I tend to smoke weed to relieve depression and sometimes because of social anxiety. Never tried synthetic weed though, is it even close to the real thing?


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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #18777044 - 08/30/13 11:48 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeah, you're rambling to people who don't give a flying fuck about your pathetic drama..so thanks for apologizing




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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: theRAPeutic]
    #18777051 - 08/30/13 11:50 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

No shroomlowie, I hear it's like a mix of Datura and Salvia. Stick to the real bud


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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: theRAPeutic]
    #18777295 - 08/30/13 01:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I am drugs and I use the mentally ill


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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: theRAPeutic]
    #18777450 - 08/30/13 01:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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tahp93 said:
No shroomlowie, I hear it's like a mix of Datura and Salvia. Stick to the real bud



Oh right, I've also read accounts of it being dangerous, I only queried as I've read it's supposed to produce relatively close effects to what real bud does and wanted a users opinion. Real bud will do just fine though :smile:


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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: shroomlowie]
    #18778230 - 08/30/13 04:34 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Well, I've managed to quit spice for almost 3 months. Then I took some shrooms because what the hey. And after I was in my psychedelic mind again, days later, I felt the urge to smoke spice.

It's just how I feel. If you haven't experienced addiction, you don't know how it's like. It's like I need more spice just because I had a bad day or I can remember pleasurable episodes of the trip.

My mind is just so fucked up by Spice, that I can't even use harmless drugs such as mushrooms anymore... That's what I meant.


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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: shroomlowie]
    #18778639 - 08/30/13 06:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I tend to smoke weed to relieve depression and sometimes because of social anxiety. Never tried synthetic weed though, is it even close to the real thing?




Nah, I've heard some people say that they trip and shit off it. I smoked it on several occasions and really didn't feel shit. I only felt a shitty body buzz and a lazy like high that had no euphoria, it also tastes horrible and I've also heard that its dangerous. The best spice that I ever smoked only gave me a very short weed like high and that was the best that spice had to offer me.

OP, I've never had a drug problem and I've tried nearly all of them. I think that your self control and will power is the issue and not drug use.


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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: GreySatyr]
    #18778654 - 08/30/13 06:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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shroomlowie said:
I tend to smoke weed to relieve depression and sometimes because of social anxiety. Never tried synthetic weed though, is it even close to the real thing?




Nah, I've heard some people say that they trip and shit off it. I smoked it on several occasions and really didn't feel shit. I only felt a shitty body buzz and a lazy like high that had no euphoria, it also tastes horrible and I've also heard that its dangerous. The best spice that I ever smoked only gave me a very short weed like high and that was the best that spice had to offer me.

OP, I've never had a drug problem and I've tried nearly all of them. I think that your self control and will power is the issue and not drug use.



the perspective you gain after you use drugs is the issue.


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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: mr sniffles]
    #18778707 - 08/30/13 06:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

That is no issue. The addictive qualities of drugs are typically euphoria based not altered perception. The added perspective that you gain is a bonus of insight from your own brain that can typically be drawn from again if used properly, if not then you get guys like the Op who need to use again to see from this perspective. Of course, it is nice to renew your perspective\perception on occasion but to fall victim to a chemical is pure lack of will power. Using it effectively is key.


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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: GreySatyr]
    #18778803 - 08/30/13 07:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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That is no issue. The addictive qualities of drugs are typically euphoria based not altered perception. The added perspective that you gain is a bonus of insight from your own brain that can typically be drawn from again if used properly, if not then you get guys like the Op who need to use again to see from this perspective. Of course, it is nice to renew your perspective\perception on occasion but to fall victim to a chemical is pure lack of will power. Using it effectively is key.



as much as i agree with that, the same insight can be gained from meditation. the drugs only force you into a meditative mindset. I forget who said it, but one of my favorite quotes is "it takes more courage to explore the deepest parts of your own mind than it does for a soldier to go into battle." I think thats when people get broken is when they become traumatized by the experience, the symptoms of drug induced psychosis is very similar to the effects of acute stress reaction. but like you said, the addiction is purely psychological with these drugs, and are fueled by a obsessive desire to induce euphoria.


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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: sailing]
    #18778973 - 08/30/13 07:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Agree.

I think of psychedelics as a key to my mind/soul. I believe meditation is like peering through the keyhole or through a window or the crack under the door. I believe that after you've used the key you can open the door any time you like with meditation but you can't blow it off its hinges without the key. Most people say we don't need drugs to visit altered states but I believe that's what they're here for specifically. We need air to breathe, water to quench our thirst, food for energy, medicine for health, why wouldn't we NEED psychedelics to venture our own mind or souls?


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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: GreySatyr]
    #18779011 - 08/30/13 07:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Agree.

I think of psychedelics as a key to my mind/soul. I believe meditation is like peering through the keyhole or through a window or the crack under the door. I believe that after you've used the key you can open the door any time you like with meditation but you can't blow it off its hinges without the key. Most people say we don't need drugs to visit altered states but I believe that's what they're here for specifically. We need air to breathe, water to quench our thirst, food for energy, medicine for health, why wouldn't we NEED psychedelics to venture our own mind or souls?



I think you vastly underestimate the power of the mind. meditation is very powerful if you are practiced in it. to say we NEED anything is counter-intuitive in my very personal opinion. The only thing i NEED is to live and then die. whatever happens in between that is entirely up to me and my desires.


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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: sailing]
    #18779027 - 08/30/13 07:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You need food, water and air if you desire to live. Why would you not need psychedelics if you desired to explore your inner self? If you desired to survive an allergic reaction to a bee sting then you would need medicine. Sure, you may survive without it but is is healthy or more beneficial to do without? Most would say no. Needs are needs. You need things to fulfill desires.


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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: GreySatyr]
    #18779043 - 08/30/13 07:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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You need food, water and air if you desire to live. Why would you not need psychedelics if you desired to explore your inner self? If you desired to survive an allergic reaction to a bee sting then you would need medicine. Sure, you may survive without it but is is healthy or more beneficial to do without? Most would say no. Needs are needs. You need things to fulfill desires.



I was born once, i could have lived for a good 10 minutes without food water or air, and then died. That would fulfill everything thats required of me in this life. i WANT to live, so I WANT food water and air. but i dont NEED to live, so i dont NEED food water and air.


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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: sailing]
    #18779100 - 08/30/13 08:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You want to live so you do NEED these things...and I don't think you'd live ten minutes without air..I know that you don't NEED to live however you have necessities to accomplish what you want.


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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: Evil Punkster]
    #18779394 - 08/30/13 09:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

To OP's post, I consider myself mentally "fragile" to a certain extent, but I've never been diagnosed professionally. Partly out of that not-wanting-to-know if something is definitely wrong, but also because I don't want to be a slave to a pharmaceutical and medical records that follow me around the rest of my life.

I've managed up to this point to reign in my insanity and be fairly normal, though I do have my draw backs. I have a family history of depression, bi-polar tendencies, but my biggest struggle that I deal with is social anxiety. My cynical mind would like to think that's a made up term but having lived with it for so many years I can't help but to come to terms with it. People have also wanted to slap the aspergers label on me but I don't think that I'm down that road, maybe just flirting with it a bit.

On the drug use side of things, I was very cautious in approaching it as I know mental instabilities and strong psychoactive substances aren't the best combinations. But my fascination with the psychedelic world ended up overriding my hesitations and I for one am glad that that happened. And the biggest help, so far, was my marijuana use. I smoked weed for years before I ever did a psychedelic, but I did it in as almost a psychedelic way as possible; in solitary settings, meditatively, setting intentions and diving deeply introspective to places I wasn't necessarily comfortable with, but I came out a better person on the other side. I considered it a therapy of sorts as it has helped tremendously with the anxiety side of things, and am grateful for what I was able to come out of it with. As for full blown psychedelics themselves, I've only barely gotten my feet wet, so we'll see how that plays out.

I don't want to encourage others who are struggling with mental illness to do as I've done, but in my case it worked out for the better. For whatever it's worth :smile:


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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: Evil Punkster]
    #18779603 - 08/30/13 10:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Aspergers is an autism spectrum condition and OP I'm sure you have heard about this study?



Pretty moving stuff :P


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Re: I have aspergers syndrome and I like drugs [Re: GreySatyr]
    #18780396 - 08/31/13 06:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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GreyMorph said:
The addictive qualities of drugs are typically euphoria based not altered perception.




For me, I think it's not the case. I used 4-FA (MDMA analouge) before and it's very euphoric but I did not at all get addicted to it. I have no interest in using it what so ever.

The problem is, I'm bored all day, I am depressed, have very few friends living far away. I have very few hobbies etc. That comes all together to support an addiction. I live in my own autistic world all day but after smoking spice it's like I'm trapped inside this crazy world, far far away from reality. Hard to describe. I think my high is different than the one of others.

I think everyone has a specific drug they would enjoy. For me, it's spice. For others it might be ketamine, heroin, MDMA... anything! Maybe I would not get addicted to heroin as much as someone else because it's not what I'm looking for.


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