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Re: whats the chances of 300ug blotter these days? [Re: TwinEclipse]
    #18772395 - 08/29/13 10:26 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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acids the coolest drug ever invented im glad it exists




I will patiently wait until Lucy is introduced into my life's journey.



nah penicillin is definitely the coolest drug ever invented.


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Re: whats the chances of 300ug blotter these days? [Re: fapjack]
    #18772656 - 08/29/13 11:23 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

When I talk about mics it's based on my experience. There was a period of time where I knew who was breaking down my doses, and I knew them well enough that I knew they were being honest. I've also eaten doses that were lab tested, which corroborated what I was being told. For example; back in 2003 there were little brown microdots around. They were  tested by the DEA to be 20 mics per. There was probably some variation, but not that much. They were weak as hell though. I only ate 'em once because of that. I took 4, which according to the lab would be somewhere in the neighborhood of 80 mics.

Most of the time the people I worked for worked with silver crystal. They always laid their doses to 100 mic of crystal per, which would mean between 80-90 mics of LSD. Eating one of these doses would give me an experience that was on par intensity/effects-wise as the one I had on the 4 microdots. That's just one example. There is variation in the paper, but not much if it's done right. Not enough to be noticed.


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Re: whats the chances of 300ug blotter these days? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #18772704 - 08/29/13 11:40 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Still doesn't mean that you would be able to tell how strong a hit was, there are so many other factors.  Also, how long ago where you eating microdots that the DEA was testing (and giving out the dosage information)?  The 80's?  You can guess, and you might be right you might be wrong.  Their are so many variables, and LSD is one of the harder drugs to gauge cause tripping isn't the same feeling every time.  I know I would be a lot higher if I ate 3 hits and got arrested than if I ate 8 hits and saw some good music.  My friend has been printed, been around the LSD scene and the dead scene since the 80's and I don't really trust his opinion either.  I go by is it good or is it weak, and its a lot easier to make that distinction IMO.


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Re: whats the chances of 300ug blotter these days? [Re: fapjack]
    #18772933 - 08/29/13 12:43 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

No these dots were tested the same year they came out, 2003. I'll post that info at the bottom. The person who made them was cut off due to the weakness. I also include all of the other factors/variables when I calculate dosage. I dosed enough variety under enough conditions that I can account for set & setting. Certain dose ranges have the same degree of effects on me regardless of the set & setting. That's something that I've come to find for myself, over years of experience. I'm not saying that I can pinpoint to exact mics, but I can say if it's around 80-90, or 40-50, and so on.



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After being disappointed by our historical search--finding little to help resolve the enduring debate about what differences exist between batches of street LSD--we continued to seek a lab with the necessary skills to perform LSD analysis. Earlier this year, we were able to find a licensed lab with access to an analytical standard of LSD as well as a lab sample from 10 years earlier that had been stored under nitrogen in freebase form. They also had access to a street sample in the form of a small brown microdot.

Information about these brown microdots was reported to Erowid from around the United States between August 2002 and May 2003. Additionally, the newly public version of the DEA's Microgram reported a seizure of two such brown microdots in Owatonna, Minnesota in April 2003.9 Though the Microgram mention did not include quantitative information, most reports (though not all) have described these microdots as "very weak", suggesting a low dosage per tablet.

The lab we communicated with used high performance liquid chromatography (HPLC), ultraviolet (UV) absorption measurements, and liquid chromatography/mass spectrometry (LC/MS) to determine what was in the microdot. Using the same methods, the microdot results [Fig. 1] were compared against both the high quality analytical standard [Fig. 2] and the 10-year-old lab sample [Fig. 4].



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Confirmation of Results
After hearing that we were interested in learning more about the contents of street LSD, an anonymous individual contacted us and volunteered to send a brown microdot to a lab for testing. This microdot was tested by a DEA-licensed lab that positively identified d-LSD in the sample.

We also received results from an independent lab that had recently tested a brown microdot. Using a cruder testing technique, this lab was able to roughly estimate the dose of the microdots at around 20 micrograms, "give or take 50%". These results were produced using thin layer chromatography and comparing the results against three reference standards of known concentration using a UV light. This technique is not a reliable quantitative method, but it was reassuring that two labs independently arrived at approximately the same value from two different samples of the same dose form.

Because this matches most of the experiential reports we've received and the estimates of experienced LSD users, we believe this quantitative estimate is correct.

Summary
The results of these analyses showed that the "brown dot" samples of street acid contained d-LSD, as well as several other major components. One of these substances was identified as iso-LSD, based on molecular weight, UV absorption pattern, and similarity to published HPLC results of a street LSD sample. Another component was suggested to be lumi-LSD, but a clear molecular weight was not obtained and no reference standard for lumi-LSD was available. Three other chemicals present in the sample, making up about 15 percent of the total detected material, have not been identified.

Using AUC from the HPLC + UV and rough estimates using TLC, the "brown dot" street samples were estimated to have approximately 21 µg per unit. This value was consistent with widespread reports that effects produced by the brown microdots were "weak".




http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_article1.shtml


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Re: whats the chances of 300ug blotter these days? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #18772946 - 08/29/13 12:45 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I'd say he knows the general science of his threshholds!:yinyang:

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Re: whats the chances of 300ug blotter these days? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #18773188 - 08/29/13 01:45 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Based on eating acid that you knew the approximate dose of 10 years ago?  I'm just saying im a bit skeptical.  I've eaten a ton of LSD too, and even more relevant I've eaten a ton of prescription opiates I knew the dose of on a daily basis, I wouldn't be able to tell you the difference between 40 or 50 mgs of oxycodone and opiates produce a much more consistent high than LSD does.  I've eaten tons of MDMA I knew the dosage for and I know I wouldn't be able to gauge that either.  You may have experience eating dosage X, but that doesn't mean you have experience differentiating between dosage WXYZ.


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Re: whats the chances of 300ug blotter these days? [Re: fapjack]
    #18773367 - 08/29/13 02:23 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I agree, but does that mean that any speculation about potency is inherently wrong??


I don't think so. I think that even simple speculations like "It's good; you only need one. Two is very strong. Three and I don't know what's going on." can be helpful in cases like DS described with the microdots.

I too have ended up with very weak (liquid) acid where 3 drops is about a half hit of good stuff. Because I have no experience with "confirmed" potency, I would describe it as I just did WITHOUT any numbers/figures.

However, the lucky few who DO have experience with confirmed potency (which I don't really advise relying unless I know who this informations coming from), I feel safe to trust their speculation.


tl;dr

Where/who the numbers are coming from is more important than the numbers themselves IMO, and speculation helps good people not end up with disappointingly weak doses


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Re: whats the chances of 300ug blotter these days? [Re: pcplease]
    #18773403 - 08/29/13 02:33 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I knew an alcoholic who claimed that he could pinpoint to within less than a percentage point how much alcohol was in beer.


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Re: whats the chances of 300ug blotter these days? [Re: pcplease]
    #18773483 - 08/29/13 02:49 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

You shoulda gave me a duct taped
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I agree, but does that mean that any speculation about potency is inherently wrong??


I don't think so. I think that even simple speculations like "It's good; you only need one. Two is very strong. Three and I don't know what's going on." can be helpful in cases like DS described with the microdots.

I too have ended up with very weak (liquid) acid where 3 drops is about a half hit of good stuff. Because I have no experience with "confirmed" potency, I would describe it as I just did WITHOUT any numbers/figures.

However, the lucky few who DO have experience with confirmed potency (which I don't really advise relying unless I know who this informations coming from), I feel safe to trust their speculation.


tl;dr

Where/who the numbers are coming from is more important than the numbers themselves IMO, and speculation helps good people not end up with disappointingly weak doses



I think most of the people here that have eaten a lot of LSD are good at comparing the LSD with other LSD enough to tell if its good bad or average, I just don't think people can accurately describe the doses.  I rarely even see people measure what they eat, with the exception of taking perforated doses.


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Re: whats the chances of 300ug blotter these days? [Re: fapjack]
    #18773833 - 08/29/13 04:06 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

That was just one example. When I used to work a lot of L I got to a point where I was getting it directly from the folks laying it. They always went by 10 tenpacks per gram. The purer the crystal, the closer to 100 mics of L per tab or drop it was. Some people know what they're doing, and these were among those. They were honest as well. Most people don't know the dosage. Some do. There's nothing wrong with being skeptical. A whole lot of people throw dosages around here, most of whom are just pulling it out of their ass, or repeating what they were told. Others actually know. :shrug: When I was working it I didn't repeat the dosage I was told to the people I was slinging to; I just told them how much they should take depending on what kind of experience they were looking for. One hit was always a solid experience for most people.


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Re: whats the chances of 300ug blotter these days? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #18773860 - 08/29/13 04:13 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Its not really 10 books to a gram though, you always end up with a good amount left over (mop up) on the plate.  Also, its still not an exact science.  I'm not really trying to argue, my point is that its easy to compare but a lot harder to be specific.  That's just my opinion though.


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Re: whats the chances of 300ug blotter these days? [Re: fapjack]
    #18773951 - 08/29/13 04:31 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

There's not always a lot left over. If they're good at it the mop-up can minimized. Anyone that's losing more than 20 mics per dose during the laying process is fucking it up. And there are many people that fuck it up. But there are also many that are pretty damn good at it. When they lay high purity crystal to 100 mics per, it's gonna get close. There are also micro-pipette machines that can be used very effectively. Those minimize waste even more. Some people do get pretty scientific with it.  In a perfect world we'd have pills, like Sandoz used to make back in the day.


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Re: whats the chances of 300ug blotter these days? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #18773971 - 08/29/13 04:34 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

:lsd::drooling: . . . :peace:


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Re: whats the chances of 300ug blotter these days? [Re: vinsue]
    #18774097 - 08/29/13 05:01 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: whats the chances of 300ug blotter these days? [Re: vinsue]
    #18774437 - 08/29/13 06:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: whats the chances of 300ug blotter these days? [Re: memes]
    #18774521 - 08/29/13 06:48 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Sorry for being all defensive guys, been a rough week. with the grandmother dying and all these medical bills(which I figured out finally)
Just had a rough ass week, I tend to get super sensitive even on the internet lol.
were all good, Im chill now.

I can finally smoke this Super sour diesel ive been waiting to smoke. Sorry for the pissyness but im sure some can relate.

Much love to all

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Re: whats the chances of 300ug blotter these days? [Re: Demonic_Chronic]
    #18774539 - 08/29/13 06:54 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

But this is def. some above average lucy

and I got this pretty sweet electric oil burner and some pretty tasty smells to make my room smell awesome.

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Re: whats the chances of 300ug blotter these days? [Re: Dark_Star] * 1
    #18775795 - 08/30/13 01:06 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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There's not always a lot left over. If they're good at it the mop-up can minimized. Anyone that's losing more than 20 mics per dose during the laying process is fucking it up. And there are many people that fuck it up. But there are also many that are pretty damn good at it. When they lay high purity crystal to 100 mics per, it's gonna get close. There are also micro-pipette machines that can be used very effectively. Those minimize waste even more. Some people do get pretty scientific with it.  In a perfect world we'd have pills, like Sandoz used to make back in the day.




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Chose your dose yourself

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Re: whats the chances of 300ug blotter these days? [Re: lessismore]
    #18776309 - 08/30/13 07:23 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Glad your lucy turned out to at least be above average D_C. At least you didn't get some weak ass shit. :sun:

This thread is making me want to trip again. I'm going to be doing so in about 2 weeks and also candyflipping the first time. I want to take a whole dalai lama this time but I dunno if I should take that much with molly too..but it could be fun..what should I do Shroomery?!


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Re: whats the chances of 300ug blotter these days? [Re: Ballerium]
    #18776315 - 08/30/13 07:25 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Take a whole one.


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