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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: Raven Gnosis]
    #18773477 - 08/29/13 02:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

5 pages of mental masturbation. 

The OP is built on baseless and unsupported allegations, largely passing unchallenged.

Arguing with the OP is like arguing with that original AI-like program, Eliza.

Naturally this post itself makes no contribution to original thought, and is thus completely appropriate to this thread.


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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: Rool Kat]
    #18773773 - 08/29/13 03:52 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: Raven Gnosis]
    #18773968 - 08/29/13 04:34 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Isn't your whole post then, delusional?


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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: Icelander]
    #18775451 - 08/29/13 10:19 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Delusional doesn't feel like the appropriate word, perhaps, ultimately meaningless. :awesomenod:


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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: Raven Gnosis]
    #18776162 - 08/30/13 05:33 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Delusional was your word.


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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: Icelander]
    #18776249 - 08/30/13 06:45 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

It was the word I used, but not in the context I perceive you to be implying it in.

I was saying that it is delusional to believe you can truly own anything, yet my post is ultimately meaningless in the end of things because these symbols I am constructing syntax with don't inherently contain the meaning we've been taught to see in them. :thumbup:


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    #18776264 - 08/30/13 06:57 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

you said that owning is abstract and so delusional.

All the concepts of your post are abstract thought, right?


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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: Rool Kat]
    #18776454 - 08/30/13 08:29 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Rool Kat said:

Arguing with the OP is like arguing with that original AI-like program, Eliza.




That's the most perfectly apt assessment of OP I think is available. Well done.


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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: Rool Kat] * 1
    #18776500 - 08/30/13 08:43 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Rool Kat said:
5 pages of mental masturbation. 

The OP is built on baseless and unsupported allegations, largely passing unchallenged.

Arguing with the OP is like arguing with that original AI-like program, Eliza.

Naturally this post itself makes no contribution to original thought, and is thus completely appropriate to this thread.




It might be better to accept life as it appears and work from there rather than trying to make the things we don't like "unnatural".  It might be more worthwhile to question the things we choose to own rather than the ownership itself.


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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: Icelander]
    #18776637 - 08/30/13 09:35 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

@crumblebum:  Thank you!

@Icelander: Was that addressed to me?  Or to the OP? Or just an observation?

No matter, in any event;  :thumbup:


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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: Rool Kat]
    #18776726 - 08/30/13 10:15 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Just an observation.


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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: Icelander]
    #18777242 - 08/30/13 12:59 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Ees GΓΌd.  :thumbup:


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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: Icelander]
    #18777373 - 08/30/13 01:39 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I really do wonder about people like OP tho. Is he 14? Mentally ill? How do you plop stuff into the bowl like this and not realize how incoherent/poorly thought out it is?


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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: crumblebum]
    #18777379 - 08/30/13 01:41 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

P.S. not just saying that to be mean, I LEGITIMATELY wonder.


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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: crumblebum]
    #18777699 - 08/30/13 02:39 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

crumblebum said:
I really do wonder about people like OP tho. Is he 14? Mentally ill? How do you plop stuff into the bowl like this and not realize how incoherent/poorly thought out it is?




I suggest not getting into personalisms about posters. :nono:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: Icelander]
    #18777846 - 08/30/13 03:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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you said that owning is abstract and so delusional.

All the concepts of your post are abstract thought, right?





Not sure if you're trying to clarify, but I think you already know the answer to that.

I'd say the same sort of emptiness that I used the soldier to describe applies to all that is human abstract.

What I said was "Although the idea that one can own a thing is naturally occurring, I find it none the less delusional(in a sense), as it only exists in abstract."
The part I find to be delusion would be the belief that anything as abstract as ownership exists outside of that abstract, independent of mind.


My challenge for anyone that thinks ownership exists independently of an organism's mind, being."Take away the mind and show me where these qualities exist"
The same thing goes for my identity, the meaning of our words, etc.
The abstract being illusion, mental images and objects to reflect an inward observation of a trait that we express outwardly or describe in the world we perceive separate from our bodies.
Helpful and necessary biological hallucinations (for a lack of better words) innate to the creatures we are.

(Hallucinations that our DA can drive us into the act of murder, in defense of their purported realness.)

(Hallucinations that our DA can drive us into the act of murder, in defense of their purported realness.)

(Hallucinations that our DA can drive us into the act of murder, in defense of their purported realness.)


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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: Raven Gnosis]
    #18777995 - 08/30/13 03:40 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Everything is nature, even cities and and the ideas created by it's inhabitants are a part of everything, even if you don't like it.


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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: Impulze]
    #18778139 - 08/30/13 04:13 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

If this is actually in response to me, I don't know why you're saying this to me, as I have never been in disagreement with that fact nor in disdain for the nature of things. :shrug:


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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: Raven Gnosis]
    #18778173 - 08/30/13 04:20 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

It's actually a reply to the op :nicesmile:


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Re: To own infers an independence from nature. [Re: Icelander]
    #18778178 - 08/30/13 04:22 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
Quote:

crumblebum said:
I really do wonder about people like OP tho. Is he 14? Mentally ill? How do you plop stuff into the bowl like this and not realize how incoherent/poorly thought out it is?




I suggest not getting into personalisms about posters. :nono:




Whatever jerkwad.

But really, all kidding aside, I REALLY do wonder. He clearly thinks he's making not only sense, but really GOOD sense.


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