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Help with first grow attempt
    #18773341 - 08/29/13 02:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Alright so everything is going ok but I'm concerned of a few things after I put them in the fruiting chamber/tub. First I wanna say I'm very new here and this is my first growing attempt, I have a few threads up but ppl go off topic alot or tell me I shouldn't use a kit.

I understand I shouldn't have used a kit but I already started it so no need to say it. I've tried to email the place that I got the kit from but they don't really explain anything, mostly it's like, sounds good and stuff like that. I'm glad they say I'm doing good, but I want more explanations about the processes and what exactly I'm seeing. That way I can learn and not have to always ask.

Ok so I got 6 1 pint jars, and being to excited I inoculated them all without reading up on how to do it. So I injected the center of the cake through three holes using approximately 1.5cc of spore solution on July 22. It took over a month for 3 of the jars to colonize 100% and the other 2 were only about 90% before they stopped. After a few days i saw pinning within the 3 jars that were 100% so I decided to to birth them.

At this point I have lost one jar to contamination, or at least I think it was, basically instead of the snow white mycelium it looked like the mycelium was black though it didn't smell. So just to be safe I tossed it out.

After birthing them I dunked them for 24hrs and since I didn't have vermiculite I just put them back in the fruiting chamber/tub that came wit the kit. I placed them in the fruiting chamber/tub almost a week ago, and have been giving them light for 6hrs a day using the led one that came with the kit.

Over this past week they have all grown this snow white fuzz all over them, I asked the kit place if this was ok because I have been reading up on it and have seen mixed opinions. Close to 70% of the ppl online say it's a sign for healthy mycelium, while the other 30% say it's bad and represents poor gas exchange. I asked since im using the air stone they gave me gas exchange shouldn't be a problem right, they replied sounds good. See my frustration.

Anyways that was a couple days ago, since then on one cake 3 shrooms have pinned one is getting pretty big, one is about half the size of the first one but is pointing straight down and is now touching the hydroton the cakes are sitting on, the third is extremely small and skinny and is coming out from the bottom of the cake.

While this is happening the other cakes just keep producing that white fuzz, their is no discoloration except for a bit of the vermiculite left on the cakes after rinsing and dunking.

My questions are how is everything going, does it sound alright so far, am I just being impatient, is the shroom pointing downward gonna cause problems, why are the other cakes not producing, what happens if these three shrooms fruit to harvest without any others do I harvest them and count those three as the first harvest and redunk and put it back in the chamber/tub, and can anyone explain some of the things I could have done differently to improve/accelerate my next grow.

And yes I am gonna attempt to do it all from scratch next time so no need to call me dumb and what not for not doing that in the beginning.

Any information would be greatly appreciated. And if pics are needed I can do that just tell me how, like is it ok to touch the white fuzz around the cakes and pull them out of the chamber to take the pic or should I leave them in the chamber/tub and try to take pics that way.

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Re: Help with first grow attempt [Re: yeeaahhok]
    #18773369 - 08/29/13 02:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Sorry I didn't mean the cakes themselves are on the hydroton, they are actually on aluminum foil which is on the hydroton.


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Re: Help with first grow attempt [Re: yeeaahhok]
    #18773427 - 08/29/13 02:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Sounds like the the 'snow white fuzz' is Cobweb mold. Also your cakes should be getting a 12 on, 12 off lighting cycle. You should really try and do some research on your own first...

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Re: Help with first grow attempt [Re: yeeaahhok]
    #18773436 - 08/29/13 02:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Off the top of my head....

I think the people from the place where you bought the kit are probably being vague on purpose. 

An air stone is grossly inadequate for FAE/gas exchange.  Hell, I think their only real purpose is to oxygenate water when submerged in water (fish tank).  Your description of the pins sound like classic lack of FAE growth.

You should build a classic SGFC (instructions are posted all over the forum) with the tote you were provided with.

Also, traditionally, the lighting should be 12/12 with a 6500K bulb.

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Re: Help with first grow attempt [Re: Kitten on Crack]
    #18773447 - 08/29/13 02:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I have done my research and I am continuing it here but its not cobweb mold its not as fibrous as the pics I've seen show. its more cotton looking. Also are you sure about the 12 on 12 off a lot of places I've looked at say 12 on 12 off is way to much like. Most said 6 is plenty.


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Re: Help with first grow attempt [Re: yeeaahhok]
    #18773488 - 08/29/13 02:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:shrug: I personally think many overlook the importance of lighting...

I'm not saying you won't get mushrooms with 6 hours of light; but 12/12 6500K is pretty much the common, tried and true practice on here for mushroom cultivation.


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Re: Help with first grow attempt [Re: mycomattie]
    #18773584 - 08/29/13 03:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Alright i got more light on it now and will test that out for a while. How can i take a pic of them do i leave them in the chamber/tub or is it ok to touch them and remove them from the chamber for the pic.


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Re: Help with first grow attempt [Re: yeeaahhok]
    #18773592 - 08/29/13 03:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I say leave them in the chamber so people get an idea of what your entire setup consists of.


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Re: Help with first grow attempt [Re: mycomattie]
    #18773733 - 08/29/13 03:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)


Alrite I took some pics and yes for the record it is in a box but i figured that didn't matter since inside the chamber/tub should have its own environment. Her are the pics let me no wit you think.


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Re: Help with first grow attempt [Re: yeeaahhok]
    #18773796 - 08/29/13 03:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Wow - are those rolled in perlite or is that just aerial mycelium?

I'm seeing a definite, severe lack of FAE!  Also there is way too much water at the base of the chamber; the hydroton almost looks submerged.

That kit definitely needs tweaking.


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Re: Help with first grow attempt [Re: mycomattie]
    #18773818 - 08/29/13 04:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Nope not rolled in anything and the site said that the hydroton did have to b submerge with the heater. Please tell me i didn't fuck it up to bad and there is still a chance to save them.


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Re: Help with first grow attempt [Re: yeeaahhok]
    #18773870 - 08/29/13 04:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:shocked: There's a heater under the hydroton too???????

Some kits are just overpriced, but this one sounds fucked! 

They can most likely be salvaged.....if you're just following directions from the kit it's not your fault.


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Re: Help with first grow attempt [Re: yeeaahhok]
    #18773883 - 08/29/13 04:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Whoa! That looks like some sad cakes. I think they might cheer up in a proper SGFC. :smirk:


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Re: Help with first grow attempt [Re: Pestile]
    #18773928 - 08/29/13 04:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

So what your saying is i should build one and transfer the cakes to it how big should it be


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Re: Help with first grow attempt [Re: yeeaahhok]
    #18773952 - 08/29/13 04:31 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yes, that is your bet bet right now.
You'll need a plastic tub about the size of the cardboard box they are standing in. Holes on all six side, 2.5" apart. 4-5 inches wetted and strained perlite in the bottom. That's that basic idea. You'd be better off reading about them on Shroomery or watch Lets Grow Mushrooms, there's a pretty good instruction on how to make a SGFC.

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Re: Help with first grow attempt [Re: Pestile]
    #18774001 - 08/29/13 04:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Thank you guys for all the feedback only one question my room is in the basement which is cooler in temp. Whats the easiest way to heat the chamber to keep it at 75.


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Re: Help with first grow attempt [Re: yeeaahhok]
    #18774039 - 08/29/13 04:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Just my newb opinion, but dont sweat the temp too much. As long as its not balls cold, shit will happen, just slower. More importantly is to quit soaking the cakes, get fresh air exchange and use adequate light. For now i would throw the airstone in the garbage, put a 3 or 4 inch layer of damp perlite on the bottom and fan/mist 3 or 4 times a day till you get your SGFC built.


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Re: Help with first grow attempt [Re: yeeaahhok]
    #18774063 - 08/29/13 04:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Don't worry about that. Cubes can fruit at 50 to 60ºF. The growth becomes slow, but they still grow.


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Re: Help with first grow attempt [Re: Pestile]
    #18774098 - 08/29/13 05:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Thank you both for all your help I'm gonna give that a shot for a few days and ill let y'all know how it goes. Oh and whats your guys's opinion on desiccant drying using the silica gel packets found in boxes for clothes. I work at a retail store and thought I could use these instead of buying my own.


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Re: Help with first grow attempt [Re: yeeaahhok]
    #18774139 - 08/29/13 05:12 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You're better off spending $30 and getting a dehydrator.


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Re: Help with first grow attempt [Re: mycomattie]
    #18774200 - 08/29/13 05:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

mycomattie said:
You're better off spending $30 and getting a dehydrator.




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This.

If you want to keep them for long term storage, get them cracker dry and put them in a container with a bag of silica.


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Re: Help with first grow attempt [Re: mycomattie]
    #18774211 - 08/29/13 05:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

What these guys said... use a sgfc, those kits are bull shit. They will work, but they are crap. Finish up this grow and get the most out of it as you can and then spend some money and do the jars yourself.


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Re: Help with first grow attempt [Re: mycomattie]
    #18778325 - 08/30/13 04:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Fan dry a day or 2, then the desiccant will work just fine. But wont get them "cracker" dry. If you store them, put them in a ziplock bag in a jar with several packets in it or you will end up with moldy fruits. Like the above post said, go buy a cheap dehydrator for your best bet.


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Re: Help with first grow attempt [Re: Keyster]
    #18782138 - 08/31/13 05:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)



Guys you are all the best i made the sgfc and fanned them and misted them and holy fuckin shit. Look at these things but its only one cake so far. I'm worried bout it because the cake is getting a blue tint to it. Is that alright?


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Re: Help with first grow attempt [Re: yeeaahhok]
    #18782195 - 08/31/13 05:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

That is amazing! Congratz!! :thumbup:

The bluish tint is probably bruising from moving the cakes or could be from the mist hitting them, but it's normal. Just keep misting and fanning, maybe increase the misting a wee bit.


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Re: Help with first grow attempt [Re: Pestile]
    #18783786 - 09/01/13 01:00 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)



yooo the two big ones veils broke so i picked them any suggestions on the best way to dry em n they are blue at the bottom is that just bruising like on the cakes. And when will they b ready to eat.


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Re: Help with first grow attempt [Re: yeeaahhok]
    #18783849 - 09/01/13 01:33 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Just let them sit on top of a piece of paper somewhere. They will take about 5 days to fully dry.


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Re: Help with first grow attempt [Re: malikalsunnah]
    #18784376 - 09/01/13 08:02 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Great job man!  If you can get your hands on some vermiculite, roll the cakes in it!  It usually produces a much better pin set than unrolled cakes :thumbup:


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Re: Help with first grow attempt [Re: yeeaahhok]
    #19037099 - 10/26/13 06:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

yeeaahhok said:

Alrite I took some pics and yes for the record it is in a box but i figured that didn't matter since inside the chamber/tub should have its own environment. Her are the pics let me no wit you think.


        those cakes look soaked am I right? :confused:


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Re: Help with first grow attempt [Re: Keyster]
    #19037946 - 10/26/13 09:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Keyster said:  For now i would throw the airstone in the garbage




Save the airstone, you can use it in a Tub-in-Tub incubator if you want to take your hobby further some day.


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