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"Clean" Acid vs "Dirty" Acid
#18773320 - 08/29/13 02:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hello acid experts:
I recently picked up some WoW unperf. My guy told me it is needlepoint, 2nd best stuff he has tried and he has been eating acid for about 12 years. Very reliable source.
During my transaction, he said that since this batch is so clean, its kind of a different trip. Still pure LSD, yet he says less visuals and more of a heady trip.
Has anybody heard anything like this about "dirty" or not the purest, non-needlepoint acid causing more visuals than the white fluff 99%?
Anyhow, I'm excited to give it a shot.
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I feel a difference between batches and some do feel cleaner than others. But acid is acid and everything is subjective. My batch of what I considered the dirtiest acid I ever had still tested at 98 mics a hit.
So the answer is 
His explanation doesn't seem entirely right though. Clean would constitute bright visuals with zero body load, but again
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Re: "Clean" Acid vs "Dirty" Acid [Re: Tripsurfer]
#18773633 - 08/29/13 03:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've taken would I could call "diry" acid once. I had very odd tremors or shakes when coming down. Then it made this weird clicking noise in my head. This only happened on the come down. Seriously thought I was having an anurysm or something. It was scary, but painless.
I've had much better acid that still had the tremors, but they were very minor compared to before.
And then i've had acid that was so clean I felt no strange side effects at all.
To clarify OP, there is no reason purer LSD would colors more vivid other than the fact that you are getting more LSD per hit and therefore taking more acid than with less pure acid. Impurities may cause bothersome physical symptoms, atleast in my experience this is so. I don't really know what other people experience but for me it's physical side effects with unclean lsd.
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To me clean means it is like a Sativa and dirty means it is like Indica.
The words describe the trip, more than the quality of the crystal.
For example, LSD is typically a cleaner trip than a cube trip, but I prefer the cubes, I like their unpredictable nature.
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Re: "Clean" Acid vs "Dirty" Acid [Re: Rose]
#18774025 - 08/29/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cervantes said: To me clean means it is like a Sativa and dirty means it is like Indica.
The words describe the trip, more than the quality of the crystal.
For example, LSD is typically a cleaner trip than a cube trip, but I prefer the cubes, I like their unpredictable nature.
....that's literally the analogy my guy used 
Thanks for the responses guys. I just found out from one of my friends that clean also means less noticeable signs of the come up. It's like you eat it, and 1 and a 1/2 hours later, BAM you're tripping. No stomach butterflies and stuff. Anybody verify this?
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One hour and 30 minutes what the fuck. I'm normally by 45 minutes, and things moving and body rush at 25 minutes. I heard the more potent or more mics you take the quicker it hits you. I've only dropped two tabs at most.
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Re: "Clean" Acid vs "Dirty" Acid [Re: theRAPeutic]
#18774072 - 08/29/13 04:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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tahp93 said: One hour and 30 minutes what the fuck. I'm normally by 45 minutes, and things moving and body rush at 25 minutes. I heard the more potent or more mics you take the quicker it hits you. I've only dropped two tabs at most.
Really? I'm quite the opposite. Every time I've taken acid, it takes AT LEAST 1 1/2 hours for me to start really tripping. Obviously I feel like "something" at 45 mins/1 hour, but not tripping.
Might be based off of cross-tolerance with marijuana. I smoke a lot. Probably not though, just different metabolic speeds among us.
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KingKnowledge said:
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Cervantes said: To me clean means it is like a Sativa and dirty means it is like Indica.
The words describe the trip, more than the quality of the crystal.
For example, LSD is typically a cleaner trip than a cube trip, but I prefer the cubes, I like their unpredictable nature.
....that's literally the analogy my guy used 
Thanks for the responses guys. I just found out from one of my friends that clean also means less noticeable signs of the come up. It's like you eat it, and 1 and a 1/2 hours later, BAM you're tripping. No stomach butterflies and stuff. Anybody verify this?
yeah thats how good acid is
less visual but still really heady
dirty acid makes your body hurt and gives me crazy visuals
just give me a 10 strip of the clean shit if i wanna see some crazy shit tho
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Re: "Clean" Acid vs "Dirty" Acid [Re: SnowDaze]
#18774121 - 08/29/13 05:08 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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i can feel lsd within the first few mins
you just need to know what to look for
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Re: "Clean" Acid vs "Dirty" Acid [Re: SnowDaze]
#18774310 - 08/29/13 05:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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When I hear dirty or weak cid I immediately think of the differences. Dirty cid(low quality crystal) gives me way more of a psychedelic headache,much more nausea,Bigger body load and quite bit more of a mindfuck and confusion.
When I was getting needlepoint, i never had one bad trip even though I took 700mcg at one point, i had completely lost my ego but it was such a beautiful night I even had to talk to a cop on my peak and he had no clue I was tripping he thought I was just high from my weed I had.
I definitely notice a difference but for the majority of my lucy career, i had pure strong shit...Good memories
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Re: "Clean" Acid vs "Dirty" Acid [Re: SnowDaze]
#18774323 - 08/29/13 05:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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i smoke pot everyday, when i get hit with a solid dose of LSD i dont even need to smoke. but being the pothead that i am i usually do end up smoking thinking it will chill me out. even though i know that when i smoke that weed its going to increase the visuals and mind fuck to a whole new level. what im getting to is i see it like this. if i dont smoke weed i have the cleanest trips of my life. if i smoke weed throughout the peak it makes it a dirty trip and sometimes i feel these body tremors and body load i hear people talking about. if i eat edibles and smoke pot its the gnarliest, dirtiest most visual and electric feeling there is. this has been consistent since i ate my first dose of lsd, and ive had plenty of high and low quality and been through plenty of high and low quantity of the product in the dose. it hits everybody different though
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Re: "Clean" Acid vs "Dirty" Acid [Re: SnowDaze]
#18774335 - 08/29/13 05:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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SnowDaze said:
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KingKnowledge said:
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Cervantes said: To me clean means it is like a Sativa and dirty means it is like Indica.
The words describe the trip, more than the quality of the crystal.
For example, LSD is typically a cleaner trip than a cube trip, but I prefer the cubes, I like their unpredictable nature.
....that's literally the analogy my guy used 
Thanks for the responses guys. I just found out from one of my friends that clean also means less noticeable signs of the come up. It's like you eat it, and 1 and a 1/2 hours later, BAM you're tripping. No stomach butterflies and stuff. Anybody verify this?
yeah thats how good acid is
less visual but still really heady
dirty acid makes your body hurt and gives me crazy visuals
just give me a 10 strip of the clean shit if i wanna see some crazy shit tho
Very re-assuring. Thanks
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you are welcome, i just ate some really clean LSD last night
it actually kicked in pretty quick and although it wasnt the most visual it was probably one of the most profound trips i have had
just one hit too
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Re: "Clean" Acid vs "Dirty" Acid [Re: SnowDaze]
#18774411 - 08/29/13 06:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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When i eat 20+ hits at a time, i am balls to the wall tripping in 15 minutes.
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Re: "Clean" Acid vs "Dirty" Acid [Re: LySergic D]
#18774434 - 08/29/13 06:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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LySergic D said: When i eat 20+ hits at a time, i am balls to the wall tripping in 15 minutes.
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Re: "Clean" Acid vs "Dirty" Acid [Re: SnowDaze]
#18774828 - 08/29/13 07:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ken kesey tried real Sandoz shit in 1959 and said any underground made LSD was "never anywhere near as good as that government stuff". People who tried both Sandoz and owsley acid said owsleyacid was speedy and less mystical than Sandoz. I doubt any acid today is better than the owsley acid hippies got in the sixties. So yes, purity is clearly enormously important.
As for the kind of trip Sandoz LSD gave you..the cia dropped LSD into the water supply of a French community in the 50s and people were committing suicide, going crazy for a few hours, and thought that"flowers were growing on their skin and that their heads were turning into molten lead". However, on a good trip of this stuff, Ringo starr who tried Sandoz LSD in 65 said "when it kicked in I felt the most concentrated form of all good feelings I've ever had..I wanted to go around telling everyone how much I loved them, people I'd never seen before".
REAL Sandoz shit was just crazy mystical shit, lol
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its all in who you know tho
there is a lot of 22 year old crystal going around right now
its WoW usually
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Re: "Clean" Acid vs "Dirty" Acid [Re: SnowDaze]
#18775102 - 08/29/13 08:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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ive always found that clean acid gives me much much more colorful, clearer and well defined visuals. also, i feel more free, at ease and loving with clean hits. i think cleaner acid is better to take socially because everyone is so carefree compared to the anxious and buggy feeling that dirty acid can give.
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Re: "Clean" Acid vs "Dirty" Acid [Re: sailing]
#18775154 - 08/29/13 09:12 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sailing, remember when I had that anxious trip on 3 hits of tasteless blotter? I'm not sure how pure it was..but I know mescaline is much more pleasant than that was. Have you had mescaline or cactus?
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MagicalOrangutan said: Ken kesey tried real Sandoz shit in 1959 and said any underground made LSD was "never anywhere near as good as that government stuff". People who tried both Sandoz and owsley acid said owsleyacid was speedy and less mystical than Sandoz. I doubt any acid today is better than the owsley acid hippies got in the sixties. So yes, purity is clearly enormously important.
As for the kind of trip Sandoz LSD gave you..the cia dropped LSD into the water supply of a French community in the 50s and people were committing suicide, going crazy for a few hours, and thought that"flowers were growing on their skin and that their heads were turning into molten lead". However, on a good trip of this stuff, Ringo starr who tried Sandoz LSD in 65 said "when it kicked in I felt the most concentrated form of all good feelings I've ever had..I wanted to go around telling everyone how much I loved them, people I'd never seen before".
REAL Sandoz shit was just crazy mystical shit, lol
If I understand correctly, they were spiking drinks with LSD to people who had no idea?? I think anyone would have a horrible trip and probably think they were going insane or dying EVEN todays LSD.
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MagicalOrangutan said: Sailing, remember when I had that anxious trip on 3 hits of tasteless blotter? I'm not sure how pure it was..but I know mescaline is much more pleasant than that was. Have you had mescaline or cactus?
nah, i dont remember that, maybe ill look through some old threads to try and find it. i might have to try mesc then. i just hear alot of people are unimpressed by it, and personally i know it makes you very lucid and drowsy, but i like to do stuff when im tripping, so idk. wont know til i try it huh? someday maybe, im on a break for now from all things mind altering (except rum, i love rum)
and yeah tahp, i agree. those visuals sound incredible though if you knew that it was acid, but the cosmic forces that anything above 500ug makes you feel, the complete shredding of reality is just so fucking agonizingly scary if you arent prepared for it, and the dose it would take for those kind of visuals will completely twist your whole reality inside out and squish it then stretch it and tie it in a knot.
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Re: "Clean" Acid vs "Dirty" Acid [Re: theRAPeutic]
#18775229 - 08/29/13 09:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Probably, if given a high dose. I wonder if people were dosed with mescaline..I would think I was getting sick, but I'd probably still like it lol. In small doses anyways. being dosed with mescaline at high doses would weird me outif I'd never taken it before
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"those visuals sound incredible" what visuals are you referring to sailing?
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MagicalOrangutan said: "those visuals sound incredible" what visuals are you referring to sailing?
the ones where they thought flowers were coming out of their arms. the only time ive seen visuals like that was on 4-aco-dmt, and that shit was by a long shot the most insanely awe-inspiring beautiful visuals ive ever had, right until reality started glitching and i got motion sickness lol
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Re: "Clean" Acid vs "Dirty" Acid [Re: sailing]
#18775314 - 08/29/13 09:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Wow. How much 4acodmt was that? I've never tried it before..how qualitatively similar is it to LSD? Hmm
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MagicalOrangutan said: Wow. How much 4acodmt was that? I've never tried it before..how qualitatively similar is it to LSD? Hmm
4-aco-dmt to me is like a mix between acid, shrooms and dmt all at the same time, but instead of the different styles of trips fighting eachother, they all synergized perfectly, i remember seeing my first entities in that trip (an 8 hour long trip with a 3 hour peak) I was greeted by what i believe people call the cosmic jellyfish, a big blob with about 10 ethereal tentacles flailing about in a perfect radial, and it sent me a message of welcome telepathically, then i was launched into a tunnel of fractals and when i came through the other side of the tunnel, i was in a wonderland of.... i dont even know how to describe it, but it was crystal clear, and so bright and beautiful. i remember seeing these humanoid beings that appeared to be made out of porcelain, and patterns were painted onto them that looked like post modern art, they were white, but the designs were blue and red and black. then i opened my eyes because the visuals were so rich with detail that i couldnt take it, and opening my eyes, i realized the room was completely breaking apart, then my consciousness began to strobe, in a single second, it would be room, then black, then room, then black about 20 times. thats when i got up and ran to the bathroom to throw up and ive thrown up alot on psychedelics, but that was the only time i ever actually threw up a rainbow. that was 40mg of 4-aco-dmt fumerate (which is equivalent to 20mg of 4-aco-dmt freebase)
its definately a very difficult trip at any dose, it comes on fast and heavy, and filled with paranoia, but the depths it allows you to explore in your own mind are unmatched, the epiphanies you have on the shit are worth it and for about 2 hours after the peak, you begin to feel cold for some reason, like outside in the snow in a tshirt and shorts cold, but then after the cold wears off, you begin to feel energized and the rest of the come down is that incredible social kind of trip. never seen a drug that goes through so many diverse phases like that.
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Re: "Clean" Acid vs "Dirty" Acid [Re: sailing]
#18775485 - 08/29/13 10:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Damn. Is it still possible to buy it online?
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Re: "Clean" Acid vs "Dirty" Acid [Re: sailing]
#18775498 - 08/29/13 10:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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About three hours after this post, I decided to try out my batch. And let me tell you, it is just amazing.
It took about 1 and 1/2 hours for me to start really tripping, but there was literally no anxiety on the come up. It was just a smooth, heady, amazing hour and a half. And i've been tripping hard for about 3 hours now.
Visuals are still very powerful, but not crazy/unbelievable if that makes sense. Everything is just....amazing.
Prob best batch I've tried.
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No harsh feeling in my chest either. bad physical symptoms are nowehre.
 
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That sounds AWESOME. I'm contemplating to trip tonight or not, but I have to work for my dad in the morning. I also have some WoW and it's so clean feeling. Much more smooth than shrooms, I'm starting to like cid more.
How many tabs you drop?
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Re: "Clean" Acid vs "Dirty" Acid [Re: theRAPeutic]
#18775648 - 08/29/13 11:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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2 not much for a late-night BIG doser, or else I wont be able to sleep even when the sun comes up!
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What could possibly be in the dirty acid that makes peoples muscle hurt or even spasm at times?? I have come across 2 types of LSD that gave me body aches from time to time throughout the trip.. Wont be getting any of that stuff again any time soon..
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I'll just leave this here for ya then...

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Re: "Clean" Acid vs "Dirty" Acid [Re: pureenergy13]
#18775708 - 08/30/13 12:12 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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The dirty acid I had was 'ganesha' print
very little visuals, till many hits leg cramps / some body load , but almost always leg cramps and jaw clenching fruity taste, very noticeable when I ate 5-7+ of them intense mindfuck of 1-2 hits, but no visuals till 3-5+ of them , more mindfuck than most other tabs since
still good experiences though, definitely felt like lsd, and tested ok for lsd on ehrlich iirc got sent on inner journeys and out of body + everything was infinite on 16 of those (with tolerance) ;P and spirals floating around on the walls/on everything , definitely lsd - also the mindfuck + geometric patterns , whole floor was one geometric pattern , and whole wall too
haven't experienced bodyload on LSD since, and I only get mindfuck on intense doses now where everything morphs (so many visuals), but on the ganesha print there was intense mindfuck but no visuals
not sure it was dirty though, I jut thought so due to bad taste + leg cramps/pins needles bodyload sometimes Good lsd has no taste, no bodyload usually and many visuals usually
but sometimes LSD gives no visuals :-) every experience is different... I had some very valuable trips of the ganesha
the mindfuck of 1-2 ganesha was like that of 1 dalai lama... intense just no visuals till I ate 3-5+ ganesha, weird ;-)
it was probably just random visuals... visuals change from every trip (have tripped around 100-150 times now) my visuals have changed a lot since every trip, lately I had no visuals on each trip , so stopped tripping LSD the Ganesha did give many swirling visuals and weird overlapping images , when I took a few
some of my best experiences were on that print :-) visuals is not all, the lsd experience is more about the mindfuck IMO, visuals are just a bonus - they're a little random sometimes there are no visuals even with a high dose LSD
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Re: "Clean" Acid vs "Dirty" Acid [Re: lessismore]
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also I did have lasting visuals after taking 16 ganesha it seems
had overlapping red star fractals when I watched tv, for many months, it's still there somewhat it seems
but only notice it when I watch tv on a CRT tv, not LCD due to the flickering...
weird.. but it's still there, very noticeable on a white flickering background couldn't watch tv due to it for many months, was impossible to watch anything due to it overlapping the whole picture
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Re: "Clean" Acid vs "Dirty" Acid [Re: lessismore]
#18775782 - 08/30/13 12:59 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I will wait till te weekend, because dropping two tabs at 10pm, I won't be sleeping at all most likely until the next night.
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Re: "Clean" Acid vs "Dirty" Acid [Re: theRAPeutic]
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Re: "Clean" Acid vs "Dirty" Acid [Re: rikuni]
#18775930 - 08/30/13 02:41 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bad trip? haven't had such a thing on LSD yet
it's almost impossible to get a bad trip for me on lsd..
but easy on mushrooms
the only bad with LSD is not letting go, just eat more LSD to get over that
the bad is from fearing letting go (fearing death/you might die), if you take more to overwhelm ego there is no fear
always eat 3hits+
paranoia is not bad, temporary fear for death is not bad , its part of any trip bad trips are bad the whole trip, they're pretty rare (only had 1 bad out of 100-150 LSD high dose trips, and don't remember it, was ufo trip)
always accept death and don't fear your fear
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Anything can happen
Had needles in the back of my head and like chewing on my brain, then inner travel And my head being turned inside out , needles all over my body in the wrong setting in front of a stranger
Leg cramps too and jaw clenching although maybe dirty acid/due to high dose
Last 2 effects lasted whole trip
I always test my stuff on ehrlich and uvtest And vs erowid lsd trip curve.. for science  Lsd hits after 1hr, peak 1.5hr, comedown 10hr, out 12hr
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i usually have a feeling of being reborn for the whole next day after a strong trip, but all visuals and tripy sensations completely stop between 10 and 12 hours for me, even on high 500 mic doses. anything longer than that and its probly not acid
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Can sleep after 10-12hrs with L And no visuals really after 10-12hrs, only minor ones Can function almost normally after 10hrs, back to normal there
Had it been dox i cant sleep for 12-16hrs at least often And would still be tripping pretty good at 12hrs
Even strobg lsd doses end at 12hrs usually Unless you eat 10strip
Theres always 1-7days afterglow with lsd Usually appreciation of colors / nature perhaos slight minor hallucibatiobs And maybe mild mindfuck still after 12hrs if you took a really high dose
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Newborn is a good word for lsd afterglow
Acceptance and appreciation of everything 
Living as/identifying as Thoughts/desires/emotions , or stress makes us forget ourselves partially/fully
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mio said: Newborn is a good word for lsd afterglow
Acceptance and appreciation of everything 
Living as/identifying as Thoughts/desires/emotions , or stress makes us forget ourselves partially/fully
its certainly very easy to forget that we are not these emotions, we are not these thoughts, and we are not these identities, we are the observers witnessing these thoughts and feelings
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sailing said: its certainly very easy to forget that we are not these emotions, we are not these thoughts, and we are not these identities, we are the observers witnessing these thoughts and feelings

couldn't have said it better , your thoughts are my thoughts ;-)
also 'the power of now' is a good book, but haven't read it all yet, someone gave it to me
it says the same thing, that we are not our thoughts, but the one observing them fits own experience well
because LSD removed all thoughts/worry , and made me realize I could be happy everyday by being myself without having anything , thoughts all the time only made me less happy , only think when needed , never worry
when a thought arises I can chose if I want to associate with it, only if it brings happiness to myself and others
acceptance always makes sense, together with appreciating what we have
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sailing said: its certainly very easy to forget that we are not these emotions, we are not these thoughts, and we are not these identities, we are the observers witnessing these thoughts and feelings

couldn't have said it better , your thoughts are my thoughts ;-)
my point exactly ;p
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Jeez that was a crazy night lol.
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Stupid debate, clean and dirty either refers to the purity of the chemical or its used as a subjective term to identify with how someone felt on a certain batch of the chemical. That said, rarely is there any real science behind these debates. There really haven't been any studies on this subject as far as I know. I'd assume that the more pure a substance is then the less product you'd have to ingest to get the desired results. With LSD I'd assume that it wouldn't matter how pure it is because of the super low dosage needed to attain the desired effect.
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MagicalOrangutan said: Ken kesey tried real Sandoz shit in 1959 and said any underground made LSD was "never anywhere near as good as that government stuff". People who tried both Sandoz and owsley acid said owsleyacid was speedy and less mystical than Sandoz. I doubt any acid today is better than the owsley acid hippies got in the sixties. So yes, purity is clearly enormously important.
As for the kind of trip Sandoz LSD gave you..the cia dropped LSD into the water supply of a French community in the 50s and people were committing suicide, going crazy for a few hours, and thought that"flowers were growing on their skin and that their heads were turning into molten lead". However, on a good trip of this stuff, Ringo starr who tried Sandoz LSD in 65 said "when it kicked in I felt the most concentrated form of all good feelings I've ever had..I wanted to go around telling everyone how much I loved them, people I'd never seen before".
REAL Sandoz shit was just crazy mystical shit, lol
No you are wrong. Sandoz LSD is exactly the same in every way from street LSD. You cannot tell them apart. http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_article2.shtml
Everything mentioned in this thread as dirty acid is a side effect of LSD. And sometimes they happen, sometimes they don't, suck it up buttercup that is LSD.It is not possible to detect this "bad acid" in blind taste tests. The same sheets produce side effects some times and "clean" trips other times. 10 micrograms of an impurity is not something that you can sense. It didn't give muscle aches or shivers or stomach ache etc. People need to learn LSD sometimes has side effects and know what these side effects are. And stop reading that Chinacat crap.
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Re: "Clean" Acid vs "Dirty" Acid [Re: my3rdeye]
#18777517 - 08/30/13 02:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Honestly my man ir don't believe that story. Someone put street acid in liquid and put that in some vial, or some other hoax. LSD is more fragile than a suffle on a bumpy train ride as I've come to understand
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Re: "Clean" Acid vs "Dirty" Acid [Re: GreySatyr]
#18777598 - 08/30/13 02:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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GreyMorph said: Stupid debate, clean and dirty either refers to the purity of the chemical or its used as a subjective term to identify with how someone felt on a certain batch of the chemical. That said, rarely is there any real science behind these debates. There really haven't been any studies on this subject as far as I know. I'd assume that the more pure a substance is then the less product you'd have to ingest to get the desired results. With LSD I'd assume that it wouldn't matter how pure it is because of the super low dosage needed to attain the desired effect.
the concept of "dirty," or lower purity acid feeling dirty is thought to be because of the other chemicals that are byproducts of lsd production, it's entirely possible for these byproducts to be slightly psychoactive and create a different feel to the trip. alot of people who extract psilocyben do so because it makes the trip feel alot cleaner because it gets rid of alot of the extra alkaloids that arent psilocyben.
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Re: "Clean" Acid vs "Dirty" Acid [Re: sailing]
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Guys,
If any of you are arguing about there not being a difference between purities in batches of acid, you're just wrong. Look up Chinacat's well-known thread here about the different types of LSD (needlepoint, white fluff, amber, etc). The amber crystal, for example, is like 30% less LSD than needlepoint (white crystal).
Batches of acid can certainly be "dirty," or not pure LSD.
EDIT: Got it for you: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/1287892
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Re: "Clean" Acid vs "Dirty" Acid [Re: sailing]
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What makes everyone assume that impurities are psychoactive?
The other psychoactive components of mushrooms are what makes it a mushroom trip.
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Re: "Clean" Acid vs "Dirty" Acid [Re: GreySatyr]
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GreyMorph said: What makes everyone assume that impurities are psychoactive?
The other psychoactive components of mushrooms are what makes it a mushroom trip.
psilocyben is the primary and most potent of the psychoactive alkaloids in mushrooms, but there are other alkaloids that effect the trip. Thats why a p.cyanescens trip feels different than a p. cubensis trip. its why certain strains of weed feel different because of the different balances between THC and cannabinol
who assumes the impurities in LSD are not psychoactive?
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Re: "Clean" Acid vs "Dirty" Acid [Re: sailing]
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I understand that. You're making sense.
I assumed that impurities were not psychoactive because of everyones HUGE desire for the most pure product. If the a product was more impure with a non psychoactive compound it would just be cheaper and have a higher dosage for desired effect. Like cuts on meth or cocaine. If the impurities were psychoactive then what would it matter?...unless they increased vasoconstriction or a negative psychical effect. That I could understand but how would an impure product increase visuals and if so then why would it matter how impure a product is? Sounds backwards.
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Re: "Clean" Acid vs "Dirty" Acid [Re: GreySatyr]
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GreyMorph said: I understand that. You're making sense.
I assumed that impurities were not psychoactive because of everyones HUGE desire for the most pure product. If the a product was more impure with a non psychoactive compound it would just be cheaper and have a higher dosage for desired effect. Like cuts on meth or cocaine. If the impurities were psychoactive then what would it matter?...unless they increased vasoconstriction or a negative psychical effect. That I could understand but how would an impure product increase visuals and if so then why would it matter how impure a product is? Sounds backwards.
this is not cutting the product that im talking about. its that whenever you have a chemical process, there will always be extra shit that didnt quite turn into whatever you wanted. thats where purity comes from, the percentage of wanted product vs unwanted product. thats why chemists crystalize and recrystalize to get a little higher purity by slowly getting rid of unwanted product. but no matter how many times they recrystalize it will never be 100%, just doesnt happen. and not everything psychoactive is good.
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Re: "Clean" Acid vs "Dirty" Acid [Re: sailing]
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I understand that, fucksakes.
Good is subjective.
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Re: "Clean" Acid vs "Dirty" Acid [Re: GreySatyr]
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GreyMorph said: I understand that, fucksakes.
Good is subjective.
i get the feeling we're talking about 2 different things here.
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Re: "Clean" Acid vs "Dirty" Acid [Re: sailing]
#18779087 - 08/30/13 08:09 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Not really, I understand what you're saying. The whole impurity=negative thing is what I fa to comprehend. There really hasn't been a scientific study that I'm aware of to show the effects and since psychedelics are already highly subjective then I don't they could point out the negative or positive results of certain impurities. It's just up for debate between chemists I believe. Sativa and indica strains, that I get but there is no LSD varieties that I'm aware. I mean needlepoint and silver fluff or whatever, yeah but what's the scientific name of these "impurities", I've read of the psychoactive impurities of mushrooms and I'm not concerned since they're naturally grown, who cares? They'll always be there unless I extract and I don't plan on doin it unless I'm a chemist. Ill never know the purity of my LsD either unless I luck out and meet a chemist...highly unlikely.
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Re: "Clean" Acid vs "Dirty" Acid [Re: GreySatyr]
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GreyMorph said: Not really, I understand what you're saying. The whole impurity=negative thing is what I fa to comprehend. There really hasn't been a scientific study that I'm aware of to show the effects and since psychedelics are already highly subjective then I don't they could point out the negative or positive results of certain impurities. It's just up for debate between chemists I believe. Sativa and indica strains, that I get but there is no LSD varieties that I'm aware. I mean needlepoint and silver fluff or whatever, yeah but what's the scientific name of these "impurities", I've read of the psychoactive impurities of mushrooms and I'm not concerned since they're naturally grown, who cares? They'll always be there unless I extract and I don't plan on doin it unless I'm a chemist. Ill never know the purity of my LsD either unless I luck out and meet a chemist...highly unlikely.
you dont have to be a chemist to extract mushrooms. just a simple alcohol tincture
as far as the impurities of LSD, im not sure that anyone knows what they are, i sure dont. but as far as the subjective, try some amber, and then try some white fluff and tell me which one you like better. amber definitely isnt as enjoyable to me as fluff. although there really was only two times that i had the fortune of knowing for sure what kind of crystal was on my tabs
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Re: "Clean" Acid vs "Dirty" Acid [Re: sailing]
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Is it really that simple? I've never bothered.
I also doubt ill ever know the purity of my LSD so I don't bother wondering about its impurities. If I'm lucky to find the cheap stuff well then I am still lucky. I live in the east coast smokies/boonies.
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Re: "Clean" Acid vs "Dirty" Acid [Re: GreySatyr]
#18779294 - 08/30/13 09:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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the cheap stuff is the good stuff.
EDIT: atleast when it comes to street prices. if you find someone selling 5$ hits, jump on it. be wary of the one selling the 15-20$ hits, those most likely are the ones that arent even lsd.
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Re: "Clean" Acid vs "Dirty" Acid [Re: sailing]
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I've never bought any for more than 10$ a hit, I've also never been burned.
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Re: "Clean" Acid vs "Dirty" Acid [Re: GreySatyr]
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GreyMorph said: I've never bought any for more than 10$ a hit, I've also never been burned.
awesome, glad to hear it. Ive been burned quite a few times, and had to start narrowing down my sources to only people i trust.
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Re: "Clean" Acid vs "Dirty" Acid [Re: sailing]
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This dude I know got burnt once. 80$ for sour patch kids, haha! He's always getting burned on drugs though. Guess it's karma for stealing from his parents all the time. I've only bought from two sources though. They were both spur of the moment guys that came through for me and I was friends with them both for a while till I moved. Really cool people wish I could have stayed in touch.
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Re: "Clean" Acid vs "Dirty" Acid [Re: GreySatyr]
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i felt bad the one time, cause i always used to hook my buddy up with free hits, and one time when i was dry, i went over to chill and he had some shit that he picked up, and offered me one to return the favor. i could sense before i even put it in my mouth that it was an nbome, idk how, spidey senses i guess. so i didnt want to decline because he was trying to do something nice, and i didnt want to shit on that. so i figured id taste it to see if its tasteless... bitter, so i swallowed it so that it wouldnt work and just pretended to be spaced out most of the night lol.
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Re: "Clean" Acid vs "Dirty" Acid [Re: sailing]
#18779409 - 08/30/13 09:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Haha, the bomb isn't orally active? Only sublingual?
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Re: "Clean" Acid vs "Dirty" Acid [Re: GreySatyr]
#18779426 - 08/30/13 09:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I always stick my tabs in the pocket of my lip just cause its easier to talk and stuff with it there, nbomes are active there. ive heard nbomes are inactive orally, but i think thats refering to actually eating it, not leaving it in your mouth. I know for a fact, its not active if you swallow the tab. (except complexed tabs but thats a whole nother thing... sort of)
lsd is active if you swallow it though (just takes a little longer to kick in)
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Re: "Clean" Acid vs "Dirty" Acid [Re: sailing]
#18779499 - 08/30/13 10:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I knew the last bit from experience. I always eat my tabs after I start feeling the effects. I just don't know much about the bomb, I haven't experienced mescaline yet and I've vowed to not try any RCs until I've tried all the classics.
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Re: "Clean" Acid vs "Dirty" Acid [Re: GreySatyr]
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GreyMorph said: I knew the last bit from experience. I always eat my tabs after I start feeling the effects. I just don't know much about the bomb, I haven't experienced mescaline yet and I've vowed to not try any RCs until I've tried all the classics.
to me, RC's are nice for when you just cant get a hold of the classics.
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Re: "Clean" Acid vs "Dirty" Acid [Re: sailing]
#18779566 - 08/30/13 10:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Exactly, not really about the chemical. It's the experience that matters. Psychedelics are so subjective that I don't really think that it matters which one you take. I do lie the varying intensities and durations. The long duration of mescaline, the wave like feel of LSD and the rocket ship come up of mushrooms. Makes for some interesting differences. I wonder what it's be like to take all three at the same time.
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My hypothesis on the various things that make acid "dirty";
Some of the unreacted Lysergic Acid salts that are poorly separated from product, Lysergic acid is not particularly visual, but still a mindfuck like lsd.
LSD to iso-LSD epimerization due to too high/low pH during workup and Lumi-LSD from exposure to light in the presence of water vapor are both "inactive" products but there is no evidence to say that it does not contribute to the trip in some way..
LSZ is a tad more stable than LSD I have heard, but I am not gunna waste a tab to test that theory out! :P
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Re: "Clean" Acid vs "Dirty" Acid [Re: GreySatyr]
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GreyMorph said: Exactly, not really about the chemical. It's the experience that matters. Psychedelics are so subjective that I don't really think that it matters which one you take. I do lie the varying intensities and durations. The long duration of mescaline, the wave like feel of LSD and the rocket ship come up of mushrooms. Makes for some interesting differences. I wonder what it's be like to take all three at the same time.
every trip has a different feel for sure, but you make a good point, ive noticed that too, they all have the same overall message... except for nbome, i honestly cannot say ive ever gotten a message from nbome that related to anything the other chemicals were related to.
-------------------- Love is the deep spiritual connection between the self and all things. We are all a part of the same universe. Crazy cat peekin through a lace bandanna,like a one eyed cheshire, like a diamond eyed jack.
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Re: "Clean" Acid vs "Dirty" Acid [Re: sailing]
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mushrooms and lsd is always the same basic message each time :-) just listen carefully
be grateful, acceptance,appreciation
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