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Re: Justice... [Re: gzuf]
#18773046 - 08/29/13 01:11 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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gzuf said: Give me a fucking break. 30 days suspended sentence? What a joke. Old ass teacher, 14 year old student, put that motherfucker in jail for a long time. I don't care if it's statutory or whatever the fuck. Note the article goes on to state that the girl in question killed herself two years later
two years... and are you also saying the suicide was a direct result of her having sex with a teacher
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Re: Justice... [Re: gzuf]
#18773047 - 08/29/13 01:12 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Accountability.. 
Might as well be a word in a dead language because no one knows what that shit means anymore. Everything is someone else's fault, like the stupid thing in Jersey where the texter can be held liable for texting someone who is driving.
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gzuf said: Give me a fucking break. 30 days suspended sentence? What a joke. Old ass teacher, 14 year old student, put that motherfucker in jail for a long time. I don't care if it's statutory or whatever the fuck. Note the article goes on to state that the girl in question killed herself two years later
two years... and are you also saying the suicide was a direct result of her having sex with a teacher
it means she was obviously emotionally damaged from this.
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Magicman69 said: I don't think statutory rapists should get 20 years..but 30 days is light. I think 2 years sounds about right. This is especially true when a 16 or 17 year old has sex with say a 24 year old.
30 days isnt uncommon, on statutory rape it's not uncommon for the offender to serve no time after the conviction, people seem to fail to understand some things about this, statutory rape is only a charge because of the arbitrary laws in place regarding certain acts, 100 years ago a 14yo could drink liquor or beer, people today are bitching because the drinking age is 21, 100 years ago it wasnt uncommon for a 14yo to be married, in some parts of the world it's still common place, hell, in the US there's a number of states where it's still legal if there's a pregnancy involved, in some states a marriage at 16 is legal without parental consent
16 is the age of consent in mmontana, the law allows for a maximum of 6 months for an offender convicted of statutory rape in the state
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jewunit said: http://www.xojane.com/issues/stacey-rambold-cherice-morales Obviously a biased article, but
A lot of people say shit like "She knew what she was doing." No, clearly she did not. People who know what they are doing do not kill themselves afterwards.
and you seem to have missed the part where it mentions her as a 'troubled youth', maybe she was troubled because in the last 100 years man has decided to legislate away a million years of biological impulses
the article isnt the only thing that's biased
No, I read the part where it said she was a troubled youth, but didn't comment on it because 1) I've never talked to the girl and "troubled youth" seems pretty ambiguous and 2) That doesn't really have too much to do with statutory rape, although I don't see how it could be anything but another reason this guy probably shouldn't have been having sex with her.
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Yeah I'd say that's a fair assumption to make. It certainly didn't help things, I'm sure.
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Re: Justice... [Re: gzuf]
#18773095 - 08/29/13 01:23 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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gzuf said: Give me a fucking break. 30 days suspended sentence? What a joke. Old ass teacher, 14 year old student, put that motherfucker in jail for a long time. I don't care if it's statutory or whatever the fuck. Note the article goes on to state that the girl in question killed herself two years later
two years... and are you also saying the suicide was a direct result of her having sex with a teacher
it means she was obviously emotionally damaged from this.
some may argue that, clearly she was pretty damaged before that if she was hopping in the sack with a 50 year old teacher, jewunit's link even starts by painting a picture of the same sort of tale
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Prisoner#1 said: 30 days isnt uncommon, on statutory rape it's not uncommon for the offender to serve no time after the conviction, people seem to fail to understand some things about this, statutory rape is only a charge because of the arbitrary laws in place regarding certain acts, 100 years ago a 14yo could drink liquor or beer, people today are bitching because the drinking age is 21, 100 years ago it wasnt uncommon for a 14yo to be married, in some parts of the world it's still common place, hell, in the US there's a number of states where it's still legal if there's a pregnancy involved, in some states a marriage at 16 is legal without parental consent
16 is the age of consent in mmontana, the law allows for a maximum of 6 months for an offender convicted of statutory rape in the state
Nah I don't buy it Pris and that 100 years ago thing doesn't do it for me because 100 years ago doesn't mean shit. This guy was a teacher, this girl is 14, that's not right and neither is 30 days suspended sentence.
How many of us would've been described as 'troubled' by the media at that age? Yeah, most of us.
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I think the point is emotionally damaged teenage girl (or boy I suppose) hops in bed with older man and COMPLETELY misunderstands the situation.
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gzuf said: Give me a fucking break. 30 days suspended sentence? What a joke. Old ass teacher, 14 year old student, put that motherfucker in jail for a long time. I don't care if it's statutory or whatever the fuck. Note the article goes on to state that the girl in question killed herself two years later
two years... and are you also saying the suicide was a direct result of her having sex with a teacher
Who the hell knows, but I doubt this entire thing didn't help. Teachers get paid to take care of children, and fuck what you think or anyone else thinks when they break that trust on someone that young they should be punished a lot more severly than 1 month. If that was my daughter I'd be the one going to prison.
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Re: Justice... [Re: jewunit]
#18773134 - 08/29/13 01:33 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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jewunit said: http://www.xojane.com/issues/stacey-rambold-cherice-morales Obviously a biased article, but
A lot of people say shit like "She knew what she was doing." No, clearly she did not. People who know what they are doing do not kill themselves afterwards.
and you seem to have missed the part where it mentions her as a 'troubled youth', maybe she was troubled because in the last 100 years man has decided to legislate away a million years of biological impulses
the article isnt the only thing that's biased
No, I read the part where it said she was a troubled youth, but didn't comment on it because 1) I've never talked to the girl and "troubled youth" seems pretty ambiguous and 2) That doesn't really have too much to do with statutory rape, although I don't see how it could be anything but another reason this guy probably shouldn't have been having sex with her.
so you're saying that millions of year of biological impulses are wrong, why are they wrong, just because there's a law?
ask yourself, why is a 14year old girl hopping into bed with a 50yo man, it's not ambiguous when you start taking it apart and looking at it, the kid wanted something she wasnt getting elsewhere. yes, the teacher was exploiting what ever it was she was going through whether it was prior abuse by someone else or simply neglect and her seeking a father figure but it doesnt change the fact that girls dont tend to just fuck some 50yo man unless they have some issues, ie; troubled
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Just cause you consisnently manipulate younger females with daddy issues that are legal doesn't make that shit right, its actually pretty fucking disgusting to most people.
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I understand all of that. There are two parties in this situation. Even if they are both consenting, one is (or at least should be) far more aware of what's going on. That's the 50 year old man. He shouldn't have slept with her. Do I think it's wrong because it's law? No, I agree with the law because I think it's wrong.
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gzuf said: Give me a fucking break. 30 days suspended sentence? What a joke. Old ass teacher, 14 year old student, put that motherfucker in jail for a long time. I don't care if it's statutory or whatever the fuck. Note the article goes on to state that the girl in question killed herself two years later
two years... and are you also saying the suicide was a direct result of her having sex with a teacher
it means she was obviously emotionally damaged from this.
It does not, maybe she was emotionally damaged from the drama of a criminal court case revolving around her sexual activity?
People that have sex at age 14 are not psychologically damaged years later, if that were the case, we all wouldn't be here today.
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It seems you just want to rebuttal anything, given its right or wrong, Pris.
The girl, whether she is 12,13,14,15,16 or even 17 is still a child.
The fact that she was 14 and preyed on by a teacher. I have to agree with FapJack because that is a trust that was broken by this man. Does anyone even think about how the man knew exactly what he was doing? How easy it can be for a older man to completely manipulate a young girl?
Whether she was troubled and already sleeping with older men, is practically irrelevant to the fact that she can STILL BE PREYED ON.
Her prior acts in life shouldn't just depict her as someone who can't be still be tricked, manipulated, deceived and tortured emotionally.
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Re: Justice... [Re: jewunit]
#18773159 - 08/29/13 01:40 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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jewunit said: I think the point is emotionally damaged teenage girl (or boy I suppose) hops in bed with older man and COMPLETELY misunderstands the situation.
The girl gave her sexual consent, and she completely understood the situation, what was so hard to understand? She wanted sex and got it.
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Re: Justice... [Re: fapjack]
#18773164 - 08/29/13 01:41 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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gzuf said: Give me a fucking break. 30 days suspended sentence? What a joke. Old ass teacher, 14 year old student, put that motherfucker in jail for a long time. I don't care if it's statutory or whatever the fuck. Note the article goes on to state that the girl in question killed herself two years later
two years... and are you also saying the suicide was a direct result of her having sex with a teacher
Who the hell knows, but I doubt this entire thing didn't help. Teachers get paid to take care of children, and fuck what you think or anyone else thinks when they break that trust on someone that young they should be punished a lot more severly than 1 month. If that was my daughter I'd be the one going to prison.
I guess you think that it's only 30 days in jail, what about the other 15 years on probation, isnt probation also part of the sentence?
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Re: Justice... [Re: qman]
#18773171 - 08/29/13 01:42 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well, you can't know that for sure. Plus I was talking about the beginning of the article that I posted and Pris addressed, in which the author says that's actually not at all what her (the author's) situation was. So clearly it's a little too hard for you to understand. Now imagine being an emotionally troubled 14 year old girl. If you can't handle it, why would they be able to?
I can't believe people have serious arguments against this. I'm pretty amazed. I've always pretty much said all I have to say about this. So before this turns into another debate that runs around in circles involving Pris and whatever cronies seem to agree with him, I'll see myself out.
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Re: Justice... [Re: qman]
#18773183 - 08/29/13 01:44 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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The girl gave her sexual consent, and she completely understood the situation, what was so hard to understand? She wanted sex and got it.
and it continued for about a year before Rambold was arrested and it was another year after that that she committed suicide, likely because of the stigma associated with her affair but probably more to do with the treatment from her parents after it was discovered, her parents are the likely reason she was having sex with Rambold in the first place
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