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Judge in Montana teen rape case has been under fire before
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(CNN) -- A Montana judge at the center of a firestorm for giving a 30-day sentence to a teacher who admitted raping a 14-year-old girl has been under scrutiny before...
...Prosecutors asked for a 20-year sentence with 10 years suspended, court documents show. But the judge followed the recommendation of the defense, which called for a sentence of 15 years, with all but 30 days suspended...
Last month, the state's Office of the Commissioner of Higher Education criticized Yellowstone County District Judge G. Todd Baugh for dismissing what would have been a woman's 13th conviction for driving under the influence...
In July, a 55-year-old woman from Billings was facing what would have been her 13th conviction for drunk driving, but struck a plea deal to avoid that outcome.
Baugh, according to local reports, sentenced her to a three-year suspended sentence for felony criminal endangerment.
The commissioner of higher education said the "most shocking" thing about the case was Baugh's words to the woman: "If you drink and drive and kill someone, you will spend some real time in prison," the judge said, according to the commissioner...
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Re: Justice... [Re: vinsue]
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They need to change the law, judge is acting within what is aloud. I strongly disagree with it, but our courts are fucked. Blame the system more so than the piece of shit judge.
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Re: Justice... [Re: fapjack]
#18772731 - 08/29/13 11:48 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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don't talk to me about justice right now.
it's just ice. ice is just frozen water.
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Re: Justice... [Re: NWlight]
#18772763 - 08/29/13 11:57 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't get it, he gave a guy 20 years for statutory rape? Sounds good to me
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I thought he gave the rapist 30 days
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He served 30 days... . . .
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#18772795 - 08/29/13 12:03 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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For a society that has such disdain for pedophilia, we sure are fascinated with it.
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#18772796 - 08/29/13 12:03 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Oh I see now, 15 year sentence with all the days suspended except for 30 days.
what the fuck kind of sentencing is that? "yeah I'll only give you 30 days, bro, but I don't want to get in trouble so we'll say it's really a 15 year sentence will all but 30 days suspended.... teeheeeheee"
They should just let the rapist rape the judge, then send him (the rapist) to prison for life.
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I feel like the media is leaving something out here. Maybe he lived in some state where it's still legal to fuck a girl in the ass once she's 14 1/2. Who gets 30 days for legit rape...
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#18772832 - 08/29/13 12:12 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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It was statutory rape. They say he seduced her, but I would assume that's speculation. She also killed herself after. He only got charged because he violated a deal anyway. The whole situation seems pretty whack to me.
http://www.xojane.com/issues/stacey-rambold-cherice-morales Obviously a biased article, but there are some worthwhile quotes from the judge in there. Also some good things about why statutory rape is still pretty serious. A lot of people say shit like "She knew what she was doing." No, clearly she did not. People who know what they are doing do not kill themselves afterwards.
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#18772907 - 08/29/13 12:36 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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He needs to be removed from his position and face his own penalties.
What a piece of shit..
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Well if it was consensual you can't lock the pedo up for THAT long, she's like a year younger then an adult in some countries/states (lol) and he lost his job at least.
He took advantage, but in some places girls as young as this sell their body voluntarily. It's not bizarre enough for someone to take their own life over.
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It was statutory rape I'm sure. The 14 year old was willing, but not competent according to the law to make her own decisions. In other countries they marry at 13.
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In Japan they're allowed to marry at 13 but it's looked down upon by everybody.
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Re: Justice... [Re: vinsue]
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I wonder how much it costs to bribe that judge..
Also I bet if you go looking through his convictions he's given people caught with drugs more time than that (I don't count the suspended portion as 'time'..)
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Re: Justice... [Re: Konyap]
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I don't think statutory rapists should get 20 years..but 30 days is light. I think 2 years sounds about right. This is especially true when a 16 or 17 year old has sex with say a 24 year old.
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Magicman69 said: I don't think statutory rapists should get 20 years..but 30 days is light. I think 2 years sounds about right. This is especially true when a 16 or 17 year old has sex with say a 24 year old.
You don't understand.
Girls go through puberty at like 12/13
In some states it is LEGAL to marry a 16 year old.
In south America their sweet 16 is at 15 years of age.
He should definitely have a felony no arguement there.
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Give me a fucking break. 30 days suspended sentence? What a joke. Old ass teacher, 14 year old student, put that motherfucker in jail for a long time. I don't care if it's statutory or whatever the fuck. Note the article goes on to state that the girl in question killed herself two years later but I'm sure she was totally willing and knew exactly what she was getting herself in to. And the same judge gives a lady a pass for her 13th DUI? Pretty depressing that this guy is in the courtroom making judgments on people's lives. Fuck that guy. What a joke this system is. Where is the accountability?
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Re: Justice... [Re: jewunit]
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jewunit said: http://www.xojane.com/issues/stacey-rambold-cherice-morales Obviously a biased article, but
A lot of people say shit like "She knew what she was doing." No, clearly she did not. People who know what they are doing do not kill themselves afterwards.
and you seem to have missed the part where it mentions her as a 'troubled youth', maybe she was troubled because in the last 100 years man has decided to legislate away a million years of biological impulses
the article isnt the only thing that's biased
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Re: Justice... [Re: gzuf]
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gzuf said: Give me a fucking break. 30 days suspended sentence? What a joke. Old ass teacher, 14 year old student, put that motherfucker in jail for a long time. I don't care if it's statutory or whatever the fuck. Note the article goes on to state that the girl in question killed herself two years later
two years... and are you also saying the suicide was a direct result of her having sex with a teacher
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Accountability.. 
Might as well be a word in a dead language because no one knows what that shit means anymore. Everything is someone else's fault, like the stupid thing in Jersey where the texter can be held liable for texting someone who is driving.
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gzuf said: Give me a fucking break. 30 days suspended sentence? What a joke. Old ass teacher, 14 year old student, put that motherfucker in jail for a long time. I don't care if it's statutory or whatever the fuck. Note the article goes on to state that the girl in question killed herself two years later
two years... and are you also saying the suicide was a direct result of her having sex with a teacher
it means she was obviously emotionally damaged from this.
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Magicman69 said: I don't think statutory rapists should get 20 years..but 30 days is light. I think 2 years sounds about right. This is especially true when a 16 or 17 year old has sex with say a 24 year old.
30 days isnt uncommon, on statutory rape it's not uncommon for the offender to serve no time after the conviction, people seem to fail to understand some things about this, statutory rape is only a charge because of the arbitrary laws in place regarding certain acts, 100 years ago a 14yo could drink liquor or beer, people today are bitching because the drinking age is 21, 100 years ago it wasnt uncommon for a 14yo to be married, in some parts of the world it's still common place, hell, in the US there's a number of states where it's still legal if there's a pregnancy involved, in some states a marriage at 16 is legal without parental consent
16 is the age of consent in mmontana, the law allows for a maximum of 6 months for an offender convicted of statutory rape in the state
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jewunit said: http://www.xojane.com/issues/stacey-rambold-cherice-morales Obviously a biased article, but
A lot of people say shit like "She knew what she was doing." No, clearly she did not. People who know what they are doing do not kill themselves afterwards.
and you seem to have missed the part where it mentions her as a 'troubled youth', maybe she was troubled because in the last 100 years man has decided to legislate away a million years of biological impulses
the article isnt the only thing that's biased
No, I read the part where it said she was a troubled youth, but didn't comment on it because 1) I've never talked to the girl and "troubled youth" seems pretty ambiguous and 2) That doesn't really have too much to do with statutory rape, although I don't see how it could be anything but another reason this guy probably shouldn't have been having sex with her.
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Yeah I'd say that's a fair assumption to make. It certainly didn't help things, I'm sure.
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Re: Justice... [Re: gzuf]
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gzuf said: Give me a fucking break. 30 days suspended sentence? What a joke. Old ass teacher, 14 year old student, put that motherfucker in jail for a long time. I don't care if it's statutory or whatever the fuck. Note the article goes on to state that the girl in question killed herself two years later
two years... and are you also saying the suicide was a direct result of her having sex with a teacher
it means she was obviously emotionally damaged from this.
some may argue that, clearly she was pretty damaged before that if she was hopping in the sack with a 50 year old teacher, jewunit's link even starts by painting a picture of the same sort of tale
http://www.xojane.com/issues/stacey-rambold-cherice-morales
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Prisoner#1 said: 30 days isnt uncommon, on statutory rape it's not uncommon for the offender to serve no time after the conviction, people seem to fail to understand some things about this, statutory rape is only a charge because of the arbitrary laws in place regarding certain acts, 100 years ago a 14yo could drink liquor or beer, people today are bitching because the drinking age is 21, 100 years ago it wasnt uncommon for a 14yo to be married, in some parts of the world it's still common place, hell, in the US there's a number of states where it's still legal if there's a pregnancy involved, in some states a marriage at 16 is legal without parental consent
16 is the age of consent in mmontana, the law allows for a maximum of 6 months for an offender convicted of statutory rape in the state
Nah I don't buy it Pris and that 100 years ago thing doesn't do it for me because 100 years ago doesn't mean shit. This guy was a teacher, this girl is 14, that's not right and neither is 30 days suspended sentence.
How many of us would've been described as 'troubled' by the media at that age? Yeah, most of us.
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I think the point is emotionally damaged teenage girl (or boy I suppose) hops in bed with older man and COMPLETELY misunderstands the situation.
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gzuf said: Give me a fucking break. 30 days suspended sentence? What a joke. Old ass teacher, 14 year old student, put that motherfucker in jail for a long time. I don't care if it's statutory or whatever the fuck. Note the article goes on to state that the girl in question killed herself two years later
two years... and are you also saying the suicide was a direct result of her having sex with a teacher
Who the hell knows, but I doubt this entire thing didn't help. Teachers get paid to take care of children, and fuck what you think or anyone else thinks when they break that trust on someone that young they should be punished a lot more severly than 1 month. If that was my daughter I'd be the one going to prison.
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Re: Justice... [Re: jewunit]
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jewunit said: http://www.xojane.com/issues/stacey-rambold-cherice-morales Obviously a biased article, but
A lot of people say shit like "She knew what she was doing." No, clearly she did not. People who know what they are doing do not kill themselves afterwards.
and you seem to have missed the part where it mentions her as a 'troubled youth', maybe she was troubled because in the last 100 years man has decided to legislate away a million years of biological impulses
the article isnt the only thing that's biased
No, I read the part where it said she was a troubled youth, but didn't comment on it because 1) I've never talked to the girl and "troubled youth" seems pretty ambiguous and 2) That doesn't really have too much to do with statutory rape, although I don't see how it could be anything but another reason this guy probably shouldn't have been having sex with her.
so you're saying that millions of year of biological impulses are wrong, why are they wrong, just because there's a law?
ask yourself, why is a 14year old girl hopping into bed with a 50yo man, it's not ambiguous when you start taking it apart and looking at it, the kid wanted something she wasnt getting elsewhere. yes, the teacher was exploiting what ever it was she was going through whether it was prior abuse by someone else or simply neglect and her seeking a father figure but it doesnt change the fact that girls dont tend to just fuck some 50yo man unless they have some issues, ie; troubled
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Just cause you consisnently manipulate younger females with daddy issues that are legal doesn't make that shit right, its actually pretty fucking disgusting to most people.
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I understand all of that. There are two parties in this situation. Even if they are both consenting, one is (or at least should be) far more aware of what's going on. That's the 50 year old man. He shouldn't have slept with her. Do I think it's wrong because it's law? No, I agree with the law because I think it's wrong.
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two years... and are you also saying the suicide was a direct result of her having sex with a teacher
it means she was obviously emotionally damaged from this.
It does not, maybe she was emotionally damaged from the drama of a criminal court case revolving around her sexual activity?
People that have sex at age 14 are not psychologically damaged years later, if that were the case, we all wouldn't be here today.
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It seems you just want to rebuttal anything, given its right or wrong, Pris.
The girl, whether she is 12,13,14,15,16 or even 17 is still a child.
The fact that she was 14 and preyed on by a teacher. I have to agree with FapJack because that is a trust that was broken by this man. Does anyone even think about how the man knew exactly what he was doing? How easy it can be for a older man to completely manipulate a young girl?
Whether she was troubled and already sleeping with older men, is practically irrelevant to the fact that she can STILL BE PREYED ON.
Her prior acts in life shouldn't just depict her as someone who can't be still be tricked, manipulated, deceived and tortured emotionally.
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Re: Justice... [Re: jewunit]
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The girl gave her sexual consent, and she completely understood the situation, what was so hard to understand? She wanted sex and got it.
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Re: Justice... [Re: fapjack]
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gzuf said: Give me a fucking break. 30 days suspended sentence? What a joke. Old ass teacher, 14 year old student, put that motherfucker in jail for a long time. I don't care if it's statutory or whatever the fuck. Note the article goes on to state that the girl in question killed herself two years later
two years... and are you also saying the suicide was a direct result of her having sex with a teacher
Who the hell knows, but I doubt this entire thing didn't help. Teachers get paid to take care of children, and fuck what you think or anyone else thinks when they break that trust on someone that young they should be punished a lot more severly than 1 month. If that was my daughter I'd be the one going to prison.
I guess you think that it's only 30 days in jail, what about the other 15 years on probation, isnt probation also part of the sentence?
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Re: Justice... [Re: qman]
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Well, you can't know that for sure. Plus I was talking about the beginning of the article that I posted and Pris addressed, in which the author says that's actually not at all what her (the author's) situation was. So clearly it's a little too hard for you to understand. Now imagine being an emotionally troubled 14 year old girl. If you can't handle it, why would they be able to?
I can't believe people have serious arguments against this. I'm pretty amazed. I've always pretty much said all I have to say about this. So before this turns into another debate that runs around in circles involving Pris and whatever cronies seem to agree with him, I'll see myself out.
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Re: Justice... [Re: qman]
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The girl gave her sexual consent, and she completely understood the situation, what was so hard to understand? She wanted sex and got it.
and it continued for about a year before Rambold was arrested and it was another year after that that she committed suicide, likely because of the stigma associated with her affair but probably more to do with the treatment from her parents after it was discovered, her parents are the likely reason she was having sex with Rambold in the first place
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The girl, whether she is 12,13,14,15,16 or even 17 is still a child.
The fact that she was 14 and preyed on by a teacher. I have to agree with FapJack because that is a trust that was broken by this man. Does anyone even think about how the man knew exactly what he was doing? How easy it can be for a older man to completely manipulate a young girl?
Whether she was troubled and already sleeping with older men, is practically irrelevant to the fact that she can STILL BE PREYED ON.
Her prior acts in life shouldn't just depict her as someone who can't be still be tricked, manipulated, deceived and tortured emotionally.
Is giving sexual consent being "PREYED ON"?
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Re: Justice... [Re: jewunit]
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I can't believe people have serious arguments against this. I'm pretty amazed. I've always pretty much said all I have to say about this. So before this turns into another debate that runs around in circles involving Pris and whatever cronies seem to agree with him, I'll see myself out.
you again present something and wont defend your stance
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Herbologist said: It seems you just want to rebuttal anything, given its right or wrong, Pris.
The girl, whether she is 12,13,14,15,16 or even 17 is still a child.
The fact that she was 14 and preyed on by a teacher. I have to agree with FapJack because that is a trust that was broken by this man. Does anyone even think about how the man knew exactly what he was doing? How easy it can be for a older man to completely manipulate a young girl?
Whether she was troubled and already sleeping with older men, is practically irrelevant to the fact that she can STILL BE PREYED ON.
Her prior acts in life shouldn't just depict her as someone who can't be still be tricked, manipulated, deceived and tortured emotionally.
Is giving sexual consent being "PREYED ON"?
shes fucking 14.
when you have a 14 year old, i pray you dont.. let a 50 year old man do shit to her and then invite him over for dinner... it was consensual right?
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so 18 is the magical age in which someone becomes an adult, what happens biologically at 18 that makes one an adult, does the consumption of birthday cake on the 18th birthday cause a flood of adult hormones, that could explain why so many 25 yearolds still act like they're 10, they didnt get the cake
millions of years of biology and in the last 100 years man has decided to legislate it out of existence, we see how well that's working
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dude you babble so hard i cant read your shit.
there wouldnt even be a case at age 18, thats why i stopped at 17. i didnt say that 18 was the magical number, because in my opinioan that is still too young
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so 18 is the magical age in which someone becomes an adult, what happens biologically at 18 that makes one an adult, does the consumption of birthday cake on the 18th birthday cause a flood of adult hormones, that could explain why so many 25 yearolds still act like they're 10, they didnt get the cake
millions of years of biology and in the last 100 years man has decided to legislate it out of existence, we see how well that's working
Life isn't the same struggle that is used to be, woman aren't dying after their first or second kid like before we had modern medicine. Fuck all that though, this has more to do with someone that was supposed to be a teacher fucking a 14 year old. Who the fuck thinks that is acceptable? I think its understood that if you are a teacher teaching children that you don't shove your greasy dick into any of your pupils.
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there wouldnt even be a case at age 18, thats why i stopped at 17. i didnt say that 18 was the magical number, because in my opinioan that is still too young
there wouldnt have been a case at 16 because that's the law
maybe people should have to wait until they're 30, or maybe that's too young too
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Re: Justice... [Re: qman]
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As the father of an 11 yr old daughter who was molested by an authority figure, I am getting the fuck out of here before one of you diaper fuckers tell me she asked for it. Sure she was only 8, but she knew what she was doing, right?Murderous impulses flash through my brain at the thought.
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fapjack said: Life isn't the same struggle that is used to be, woman aren't dying after their first or second kid like before we had modern medicine.
so modern medicine is the reason we need age of consent laws, why not give the kids a pill to curb the urges for sex that they have, turn them into mindless zombies that are in school to learn.... wait. like half of them are already on pills
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Fuck all that though, this has more to do with someone that was supposed to be a teacher fucking a 14 year old. Who the fuck thinks that is acceptable? I think its understood that if you are a teacher teaching children that you don't shove your greasy dick into any of your pupils.
does this include the over 18 students and their college professors, what about those older, adult eduction students, like the ones already in their 40s, are they also incapable of making rational decisions because they're students?
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Pris, she was 14. Did you miss that? 14. Oh that's right, 100 years ago... ... 15 years probation. How harsh. Would you feel this way if your 14 year daughter was repeatedly raped by a 50 year old teacher?
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...likely because of the stigma associated with her affair but probably more to do with the treatment from her parents after it was discovered, her parents are the likely reason she was having sex with Rambold in the first place
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there wouldnt even be a case at age 18, thats why i stopped at 17. i didnt say that 18 was the magical number, because in my opinioan that is still too young
What about 21? It's still young.
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Re: Justice... [Re: vinsue]
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vinsue said: Pris, she was 14. Did you miss that? 14. Oh that's right, 100 years ago... ... 15 years probation. How harsh. Would you feel this way if your 14 year daughter was repeatedly raped by a 50 year old teacher?
rape implies it was forcible
millions of years of us primates breeding from the time we hit puberty and suddenly it's all kinds of wrong because they're XX age
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Major ... Call it like you see it, and if you didn't see it, make some thing up...
Have a . You're sounding like . . . 
so you're still saying that all you can to is post graemlins and say 'that's totally fucked up man' but cant produce a valid argument against what I've said
why was the girl in the sack with a 50yo, why dont we want to look at the root of this problem
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Rape wasn't wrong millions of years ago, what the fuck are you talking about?
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Re: Justice... [Re: fapjack]
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fapjack said: Rape wasn't wrong millions of years ago, what the fuck are you talking about?
are we talking about forcible rape because this case isnt about that
try and keep up youngster
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jewunit said: Well, you can't know that for sure. Plus I was talking about the beginning of the article that I posted and Pris addressed, in which the author says that's actually not at all what her (the author's) situation was. So clearly it's a little too hard for you to understand. Now imagine being an emotionally troubled 14 year old girl. If you can't handle it, why would they be able to?
I can't believe people have serious arguments against this. I'm pretty amazed. I've always pretty much said all I have to say about this. So before this turns into another debate that runs around in circles involving Pris and whatever cronies seem to agree with him, I'll see myself out.
you again present something and wont defend your stance
how liberal of you
I've defended my stance repeatedly, wtf are you talking about? Every post I made in this thread except the one I've edited has had a point. You just suck at having discussion and need to turn everything into a debate.
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are we talking about forcible rape because this case isnt about that
try and keep up youngster
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Nah, you're unquestionably above the age of consent.
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Pris, no matter how many valid points you bring to the table that doesn't change the fact it's not right for a 40 or 50 year old teacher to fuck a 14 year old student. Even if it wasn't "dark alleyway rape", it's fucked up for a grown man, a father himself with plenty of sexual experience to take some kid. Even though she knew what she was doing, the situation was fucked all over. Now, I'm not saying she directly offed herself because of the fact the teacher was doing her, but it must have contributed to it. Can't you fucking understand what a pedophile is? Any responsible man would have turned her down (assuming she came on to him, I honestly didn't read through it all), he CHOSE to do her even though it was wrong.
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why was the girl in the sack with a 50yo, why dont we want to look at the root of this problem
Why was the 50 year old man screwing the 14 year old girl, why don't you want to look at the root of this problem?
From this thread pris, this is the honest impression you've given me.
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Yeah, but the girl knew what was going on. So again, I ask, instead of deflecting my own point, why don't you defend yours. Why was the girl sleeping with him if she wasn't okay with it?
-Pris#1
Man, it's pretty easy to be a blowhard, I never realized.
Hoooo shit I forgot we had a hide thread option. This would have saved me so many headaches.
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Re: Justice... [Re: fapjack]
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fapjack said: Rape wasn't wrong millions of years ago, what the fuck are you talking about?
are we talking about forcible rape because this case isnt about that
try and keep up youngster
Does that mean you wanna fuck me too?
I've read your posts, seems you already are
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Re: Justice... [Re: jewunit]
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So statutory rape is OK in your book. It's all the girls fault. Teacher couldn't say no? BTW,you forgot to answer this...
" Would you feel this way if your 14 year daughter was repeatedly raped by a 50 year old teacher?"
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...so you're still saying that all you can to is post graemlins and say 'that's totally fucked up man'
I'm still saying? I have 3 posts in this thread. You have 15., and don't attribute your 'made up words'('that's totally fucked up man') to me. I never said any thing like that. People that support rapists should be banned. And look, only 1 graemlin. Is that better? ...
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Synthe said: Pris, no matter how many valid points you bring to the table that doesn't change the fact it's not right for a 40 or 50 year old teacher to fuck a 14 year old student. Even if it wasn't "dark alleyway rape", it's fucked up for a grown man, a father himself with plenty of sexual experience to take some kid. Even though she knew what she was doing, the situation was fucked all over. Now, I'm not saying she directly offed herself because of the fact the teacher was doing her, but it must have contributed to it. Can't you fucking understand what a pedophile is? Any responsible man would have turned her down (assuming she came on to him, I honestly didn't read through it all), he CHOSE to do her even though it was wrong.
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why was the girl in the sack with a 50yo, why dont we want to look at the root of this problem
Why was the 50 year old man screwing the 14 year old girl, why don't you want to look at the root of this problem?
From this thread pris, this is the honest impression you've given me.
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They both consented to the sex, so both have a certain degree of responsibility for the act.
Would you hold a 14 year old accountable for stealing or murder? The justice system does hold them accountable for their behavior.
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Who the hell cares if she's okay with it? Minors are minors, they are unintelligent shortsighted and unable to see consequences for their actions in the same way adults are. There is a reason why we don't allow them at the shroomery, smoke or any number of things, I mean the Supreme Court even ruled recently that they can't get the death penalty because it's cruel and usual I believe. So again, a 14 year old's consent is not the same as a 50+ year old teacher's You'd think one of them would know better as their livelihood, forget the law, is based on educating and caring for children, one of whom they had sex with and subsequently killed themselves. Nice.
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Re: Justice... [Re: jewunit]
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jewunit said: Yeah, but the girl knew what was going on. So again, I ask, instead of deflecting my own point, why don't you defend yours. Why was the girl sleeping with him if she wasn't okay with it?
they're shit was going on for a fucking year, what makes you think she wasnt OK with it
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Re: Justice... [Re: gzuf]
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gzuf said: Who the hell cares if she's okay with it? Minors are minors, they are unintelligent shortsighted and unable to see consequences for their actions in the same way adults are.
and at what magical age does one suddenly understand all this
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Re: Justice... [Re: vinsue]
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vinsue said: So statutory rape is OK in your book. It's all the girls fault. Teacher couldn't say no? BTW,you forgot to answer this...
" Would you feel this way if your 14 year daughter was repeatedly raped by a 50 year old teacher?"
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...so you're still saying that all you can to is post graemlins and say 'that's totally fucked up man'
I'm still saying? I have 3 posts in this thread. You have 15., and don't attribute your 'made up words'('that's totally fucked up man') to me. I never said any thing like that. People that support rapists should be banned. And look, only 1 graemlin. Is that better? ...
I was referring to more than just this thread
you still havent made any sort of actual rebuttal
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and at what magical age does one suddenly understand all this
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Re: Justice... [Re: gzuf]
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gzuf said: Who the hell cares if she's okay with it? Minors are minors, they are unintelligent shortsighted and unable to see consequences for their actions in the same way adults are. There is a reason why we don't allow them at the shroomery, smoke or any number of things, I mean the Supreme Court even ruled recently that they can't get the death penalty because it's cruel and usual I believe. So again, a 14 year old's consent is not the same as a 50+ year old teacher's You'd think one of them would know better as their livelihood, forget the law, is based on educating and caring for children, one of whom they had sex with and subsequently killed themselves. Nice.
Minors can't see the consequences of their actions? At age 14 I knew the consequences of my behavior, and so did all of my peers.
Why do you think 14 year olds are so stupid? Were you dumb at 14?
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In the eyes of the law, I guess it depends on the state and all that. But some people never grow up. I get that, I just think it's besides the point. He's a fucking teacher, he's in his 50's. That deserves more than 30 days, just the fact he's a teacher the judge should've taken that in to consideration in his sentencing. People get more than 30 days for fucking having weed on them, and this guy gets away with 30 days for having sex with a 14 year old. That is fucked up.
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and at what magical age does one suddenly understand all this
You still avoid the question.. What if it was your child?
You are literally comparing the consent of a 50 year old to the consent of a 14 year old.
I have to go with Gzuf.. Minors are near sighted and at 14 you are hardly developed enough to even make your own life decisions.
Pris.. you just keep defending this guy and dont look at him as guilty at all. So like once stated in this thread
pris = down for statuary rape from my understanding of what you type.
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Yeah, I was, and you were too.
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Many countries around the world have even lower, 13-15 in most cases, what makes 16 correct?
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and at what magical age does one suddenly understand all this
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please show me where I'm defending this guy
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Minors are near sighted and at 14 you are hardly developed enough to even make your own life decisions.
yet many make the right decisions such as not becoming a 14yo mother, not killing other children because they wanted to know what it was like
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Kids aren't able to think of the long term consequences like an adult can. My son has repeatedly proven this point. Kids are impulsive and everything is in the moment, there is rarely consideration of what could happen, and how could a 14 year old really know of the long term consequences of sex? There's more than just "I could get an STD" or "I could get pregnant".. There's the emotional turmoil involved as well as the social stigma.
Doesn't matter if "she was okay with it" because most of them are incapable of thinking in the long term. Myself included. I'm still paying for the mistakes I made when I was an impulsive teen.
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Re: Justice... [Re: qman]
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qman said:...The justice system does hold them accountable for their behavior.
Statutory rape
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...In statutory rape, overt force or threat need not be present. The laws presume coercion, because a minor or mentally challenged adult is legally incapable of giving consent to the act.
The term "statutory rape" generally refers to sex between an adult and a sexually mature minor past the age of puberty...
...Laws vary in their definitions of statutory rape. It is generally intended to punish heinous cases of an adult taking sexual advantage of a minor. Thus, many jurisdictions prohibit allowing a juvenile to be tried as an adult under this law (most jurisdictions have separate provisions for child molestation or forcible rape which can be applied to juveniles and for which a minor can be tried as an adult).
" Would you feel this way if your 14 year daughter was repeatedly raped by a 50 year old teacher?"... . . .
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Re: Justice... [Re: gzuf]
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qman said: Were you dumb at 14?
Yeah, I was, and you were too.
Speak for yourself, I know more today, but I was not uninformed at age 14. Most 14 year olds are held accountable for their behavior, so why is it different when it comes to sexual activity?
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Herbologist said: Pris.. you just keep defending this guy and dont look at him as guilty at all. So like once stated in this thread
please show me where I'm defending this guy
I think you have reading comprehension issues
and you have discussion issues. you rebuttal, rebuttal, rebuttal, debate ,debate , debate.. thats all you do.
You may not be directly defending him but you sure as hell are painting an innocent picture for him.
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Re: Justice... [Re: qman]
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qman said: Speak for yourself, I know more today, but I was not uninformed at age 14. Most 14 year olds are held accountable for their behavior, so why is it different when it comes to sexual activity?
They are not held accountable to the same standards as adults for a reason.
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Herbologist said: Pris.. you just keep defending this guy and dont look at him as guilty at all. So like once stated in this thread
please show me where I'm defending this guy
I think you have reading comprehension issues
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Minors are near sighted and at 14 you are hardly developed enough to even make your own life decisions.
yet many make the right decisions such as not becoming a 14yo mother, not killing other children because they wanted to know what it was like
You got me there....
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Shroomslip said: Kids aren't able to think of the long term consequences like an adult can. My son has repeatedly proven this point.
Kids are impulsive and everything is in the moment, there is rarely consideration of what could happen, and how could a 14 year old really know of the long term consequences of sex?
at 14 I was capable of making these sorts of decisions, I'm teaching my kids to do the same, just as I was taught.
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Doesn't matter if "she was okay with it" because most of them are incapable of thinking in the long term. Myself included. I'm still paying for the mistakes I made when I was an impulsive teen.
maybe it's not the schools that are dumbing down the kids today but it's the parents and their quest to keep the nest from being empty
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Re: Justice... [Re: vinsue]
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qman said:...The justice system does hold them accountable for their behavior.
Statutory rape
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...In statutory rape, overt force or threat need not be present. The laws presume coercion, because a minor or mentally challenged adult is legally incapable of giving consent to the act.
The term "statutory rape" generally refers to sex between an adult and a sexually mature minor past the age of puberty...
...Laws vary in their definitions of statutory rape. It is generally intended to punish heinous cases of an adult taking sexual advantage of a minor. Thus, many jurisdictions prohibit allowing a juvenile to be tried as an adult under this law (most jurisdictions have separate provisions for child molestation or forcible rape which can be applied to juveniles and for which a minor can be tried as an adult).
Why are minors held accountable for violent criminal acts? Stealing? Disobeying authority figures? Drug use?
Why are they legally able to consent to these acts, and suffer the ramifications for their behavior?
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Re: Justice... [Re: gzuf]
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qman said: Speak for yourself, I know more today, but I was not uninformed at age 14. Most 14 year olds are held accountable for their behavior, so why is it different when it comes to sexual activity?
They are not held accountable to the same standards as adults for a reason.
really? what about with murder, suddenly it's OK to put them on trial as adults because they should have known better but when it comes to sex or stealing, they didnt.... when a 14yo shoplifts, that kid gets the year of probation that an adult would get, they simply get it in a juvenile court
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Herbologist said: Pris.. you just keep defending this guy and dont look at him as guilty at all. So like once stated in this thread
please show me where I'm defending this guy
I think you have reading comprehension issues
and you have discussion issues. you rebuttal, rebuttal, rebuttal, debate ,debate , debate.. thats all you do.
You may not be directly defending him but you sure as hell are painting an innocent picture for him.
show me where I'm painting this picture of innocence?
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Re: Justice... [Re: gzuf]
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qman said: Speak for yourself, I know more today, but I was not uninformed at age 14. Most 14 year olds are held accountable for their behavior, so why is it different when it comes to sexual activity?
They are not held accountable to the same standards as adults for a reason.
But there is still a high level of accountability, seems like a double standard.
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Yes that must be it..
Never mind the fact that I've repeatedly talked to my son about his actions and consequences and that he still doesn't get it.. Must be my parenting, and it must've been the parenting I received that led to me making stupid life altering choices because "it seemed like a good idea at the time" that as an adult I look back on and think "what the fuck was I thinking? How could I have been so stupid?".
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Re: Justice... [Re: vinsue]
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qman said:...The justice system does hold them accountable for their behavior.
Statutory rape
statutory = "wrong because we made a law against it, it outrages our morality"
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" Would you feel this way if your 14 year daughter was repeatedly raped by a 50 year old teacher?"... . . . 
again, rape inplies force
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oh man pris. can't you just answer his fucking q?
you know what he's trying to say. so just answer it as if he was using the correct verbiage that you're phishing for.
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Re: Justice... [Re: memes]
#18773535 - 08/29/13 03:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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There really isn't anything to argue here, Pris is saying its ok to fuck 10 year olds if they can have babies and everyone else is saying Pris is a diddler.
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Prisoner#1 said: really? what about with murder, suddenly it's OK to put them on trial as adults because they should have known better but when it comes to sex or stealing, they didnt.... when a 14yo shoplifts, that kid gets the year of probation that an adult would get, they simply get it in a juvenile court
I don't know any kids getting a year probation for shoplifting that's pretty fucked up most just have to right an essay and do some community service, but that's besides the point. Even as you say with murder there is considerations for minor suspects, they can't get the death penalty for instance. I mean I'm not an expert but I feel like you're comparing apples to oranges anyway.
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Re: Justice... [Re: memes]
#18773539 - 08/29/13 03:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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memes said: oh man pris. can't you just answer his fucking q?
you know what he's trying to say. so just answer it as if he was using the correct verbiage that you're phishing for.
I dont know what he's trying to say because he hasnt said it
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Re: Justice... [Re: memes]
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How would you feel about a 50 year old dude fucking your 14 year old daughter? Gonna invite him over for tea and shit while she sits on his lap and nibbles his ear?
Inb4 the "my daughter wouldn't do that" avoidance..
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Prisoner#1 said: I dont know what he's trying to say because he hasnt said it

if anyone else were doing this shit, and you were having an off day, you'd temp ban 'em.
for trolling.
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Re: Justice... [Re: gzuf]
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Prisoner#1 said: really? what about with murder, suddenly it's OK to put them on trial as adults because they should have known better but when it comes to sex or stealing, they didnt.... when a 14yo shoplifts, that kid gets the year of probation that an adult would get, they simply get it in a juvenile court
I don't know any kids getting a year probation for shoplifting that's pretty fucked up most just have to right an essay and do some community service, but that's besides the point. Even as you say with murder there is considerations for minor suspects, they can't get the death penalty for instance. I mean I'm not an expert but I feel like you're comparing apples to oranges anyway.
then clearly we're coddling the kids more and more because when I was in highschool, I knew several people on probation for shoplifting
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Re: Justice... [Re: qman]
#18773572 - 08/29/13 03:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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LOL at qman and pris. This isn't about murder, it's about a 50 year old teacher having sex with a 14 year old girl, more than once.
" Would you feel this way if your 14 year daughter or son was repeatedly having sex with a 50 year old teacher?"
Damn, getting an answer is like pulling teeth... . . .
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Re: Justice... [Re: fapjack]
#18773643 - 08/29/13 03:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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lol... not really, they hanged 8yo girls in the town square for stealing candy
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Re: Justice... [Re: vinsue]
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vinsue said: LOL at qman and pris. This isn't about murder, it's about a 50 year old teacher having sex with a 14 year old girl, more than once.
" Would you feel this way if your 14 year daughter or son was repeatedly having sex with a 50 year old teacher?"
Damn, getting an answer is like pulling teeth... . . . 
how do you fell about arbitrary laws being passed because it offends someone's morality?
imagine that someone could be made a felon because they chose to use drugs all because someone else thought it was just wrong, now think about how they could serve a life sentence for 3 of those felony convictions
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I'm just going to take the fact that he refuses to answer the question as proof that he wouldn't be okay with it and saying so would make him a hypocrite.
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It doesn't matter what pris says, if his daughter wants to fuck me she can make that decision on her own. Right, pris?
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Re: Justice... [Re: vinsue]
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vinsue said: LOL at qman and pris. This isn't about murder, it's about a 50 year old teacher having sex with a 14 year old girl, more than once.
" Would you feel this way if your 14 year daughter or son was repeatedly having sex with a 50 year old teacher?"
Damn, getting an answer is like pulling teeth... . . . 
Would you let your horny 14 year old son have sex with a hot 50 year old female cougar?
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Re: Justice... [Re: qman]
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vinsue said: LOL at qman and pris. This isn't about murder, it's about a 50 year old teacher having sex with a 14 year old girl, more than once.
" Would you feel this way if your 14 year daughter or son was repeatedly having sex with a 50 year old teacher?"
Damn, getting an answer is like pulling teeth... . . . 
Would you let your horny 14 year old son have sex with a hot 50 year old female cougar?
If you asked me the same question - no... I wouldn't. 
A 50 year old is a pedo for banging a 14 year old no matter what the gender roles are
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If I allowed my son or daughter to sleep with someone I have evaluated them, trust them, watch them, and will never let them hurt my child, whether they be 13 or 49. We are speaking of something completely different here: an abuse of authority.Which is what the judge is also doing.
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Prisoner#1 said: how do you fell about arbitrary laws being passed because it offends someone's morality?
imagine that someone could be made a felon because they chose to use drugs all because someone else thought it was just wrong, now think about how they could serve a life sentence for 3 of those felony convictions
Statutory rape is an arbitrary law? 
Yea, I got my pee-pee whacked with 2 felony convictions for dealing meth. I deserved it, and did my time. The meth I sold 30+ years ago definitely messed up some peoples lives, including my own.
These days I'm a law abiding citizen. No drug use or manufacturing, no illegal weapons, (I turned in my 9mm at a cash for guns and made a profit , my .380 was sold a few years ago). I don't speed, I use my turn signals, and I don't fuck 14 year old girls or boys. I don't even curse anymore. Pretty boring, eh? Do you agree with the 3 strike law? I can't tell by your post.
Maybe I'll just Ask prisoner#1 " Would you feel this way if your 14 year daughter or son was repeatedly having sex with a 50 year old teacher?"
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Re: Justice... [Re: Synthe]
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vinsue said: LOL at qman and pris. This isn't about murder, it's about a 50 year old teacher having sex with a 14 year old girl, more than once.
" Would you feel this way if your 14 year daughter or son was repeatedly having sex with a 50 year old teacher?"
Damn, getting an answer is like pulling teeth... . . . 
Would you let your horny 14 year old son have sex with a hot 50 year old female cougar?
If you asked me the same question - no... I wouldn't. 
A 50 year old is a pedo for banging a 14 year old no matter what the gender roles are
Really, I would hate to be your 14 year old son, getting a chance to bang a hot woman at age 14 would be a chance of a lifetime, great bragging rights to my friends, great memories, great sexual experience, and of course great sexual pleasure.
The above sounds like pure hell, not.
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Until you get her pregnant and end up making getting on your feet even harder than it already will be.. Yes it does sound like hell. I didn't have my son until 19 and that was hard enough, never mind 14.
I wouldn't let my 14 year old son do it either.. I'm not going to end up paying for his kid, especially while I'm still paying for HIM. Does that really make me a bad father? I would think trying to give my son the best chance at a normal life would be the good fatherly thing to do.. I'm not worried about his sexual pleasure or his 'bragging rights' that won't matter in 10 years anyways..
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Shroomslip said: Until you get her pregnant and end up making getting on your feet even harder than it already will be.. Yes it does sound like hell. I didn't have my son until 19 and that was hard enough, never mind 14.
I wouldn't let my 14 year old son do it either.. I'm not going to end up paying for his kid, especially while I'm still paying for HIM. Does that really make me a bad father? I would think trying to give my son the best chance at a normal life would be the good fatherly thing to do.. I'm not worried about his sexual pleasure or his 'bragging rights' that won't matter in 10 years anyways..
So your objection to the sexual act is not the morality of the act, it's the slim chance of pregnancy? The same could be said for a 16-21 year old male, I don't know any 17 year old male that could financially support themselves, never mind a baby.
So your main objection is the potential economic consequences of the sexual act?
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Re: Justice... [Re: qman]
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When did I say that was my only concern/objection?
No, it's just one of the consequences that would need to be considered. I think any 50 year old woman who wants to fuck a 14 year old boy is probably got some mental problems as well.. I'd worry about son's safety with her.
And no those aren't my only concerns either, but I'm not going to sit here and list everything. Can't believe I even have to clarify it this far.
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Re: Justice... [Re: memes]
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Never once at 14 have I ever said "wow my teacher is looking really hot today, I wonder if it's menopause?"
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