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What if your fruits dont bruise blue?
    #18772277 - 08/29/13 09:51 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Are they bunk? Or just not very potent?

I had a bunch of PF cakes from a few different "strains" (or whatever the proper term is) and mixed them all together and spawned to bulk. The first flush were all normal, bruised blue, obviously cubes. The 2nd flush look exactly the same, size, color, etc. but the dont bruise blue at all. What could this mean?


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Re: What if your fruits dont bruise blue? [Re: bEelzeBosS]
    #18772309 - 08/29/13 10:06 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Blue bruising has nothing to do with potency. The ones that don't bruise could be just as potent or even more potent as the ones that do.


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Re: What if your fruits dont bruise blue? [Re: mushmagic]
    #18772363 - 08/29/13 10:18 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

So its normal for cubes to not bruise at all sometimes? I always thought if it didnt bruise it wasnt a cube or was a bunk cube.


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Re: What if your fruits dont bruise blue? [Re: bEelzeBosS]
    #18772369 - 08/29/13 10:19 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Correct, they don't always bruise.


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Re: What if your fruits dont bruise blue? [Re: mushmagic]
    #18772375 - 08/29/13 10:20 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

So its normal for cubes to not bruise at all sometimes? I always thought if it didnt bruise it wasnt a cube or was a bunk cube.
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Blue bruising has nothing to do with potency. The ones that don't bruise could be just as potent or even more potent as the ones that do.




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Re: What if your fruits dont bruise blue? [Re: mushmagic]
    #18772380 - 08/29/13 10:22 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Correct, they don't always bruise.


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Re: What if your fruits dont bruise blue? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #18772599 - 08/29/13 11:12 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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So its normal for cubes to not bruise at all sometimes? I always thought if it didnt bruise it wasnt a cube or was a bunk cube.
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Blue bruising has nothing to do with potency. The ones that don't bruise could be just as potent or even more potent as the ones that do.







This is like early 1900's method of cube identification. There are toxic species that bruise blue too.  Nothing to do with potency.


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Re: What if your fruits dont bruise blue? [Re: bEelzeBosS]
    #18773410 - 08/29/13 02:35 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Potency can vary from flush to flush.  The level of bruising can be an indicator of potency but is not absolute.  Since we are talking about the first flush to the second.  I would not expect a reduction in potency between the first and second flush for most if not all substrates.  But in this case there are extra variations.

Past experience shows that mixing spawn from several varieties causes an overall drop in yield.  Also if you had fruited your cakes separately before you may have already used up the nutrient base in the cake.

I wish you the best but in this case I'd either need more information or I would need to research it further.

If you have P. Cubensis mushrooms chances are they are going to have some psychoactive effects weather or not they deeply bruise blue or not.


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Re: What if your fruits dont bruise blue? [Re: mastercultivator]
    #18773421 - 08/29/13 02:39 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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The level of bruising can be an indicator of potency but is not absolute.



:facepalm: No bro...please just stop.


Bruising is in no way related to potency.

There is no scientific evidence of this.

Some people have isolated strains that are potent as hell, but do not bruise.


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Re: What if your fruits dont bruise blue? [Re: PussyFart]
    #18773449 - 08/29/13 02:44 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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The level of bruising can be an indicator of potency but is not absolute.



:facepalm: No bro...please just stop.


Bruising is in no way related to potency.

There is no scientific evidence of this.

Some people have isolated strains that are potent as hell, but do not bruise.




Yes, please back such claims up with quotes and evidence from the one and only RR, because as we all know, you're a big fan of his work.


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Re: What if your fruits dont bruise blue? [Re: llama_police]
    #18773725 - 08/29/13 03:40 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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The level of bruising can be an indicator of potency but is not absolute.



:facepalm: No bro...please just stop.


Bruising is in no way related to potency.

There is no scientific evidence of this.

Some people have isolated strains that are potent as hell, but do not bruise.




Yes, please back such claims up with quotes and evidence from the one and only RR, because as we all know, you're a big fan of his work.




We could post the same question back at everyone who says bluing is an indicator of potency.  The bluing is a sign of oxidation. That is a proven fact.

So by using the logic of bluing determines the potency, wouldn't you want the one that didn't turn blue meaning the active components did not oxidize as much?

What you ate means shit,  no one in this discussion has the equipment to prove one right over the other. All the potency discussions are subjective.


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Re: What if your fruits dont bruise blue? [Re: tbagtag]
    #18773802 - 08/29/13 03:59 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Isn't bluing the oxidation of psilocyn/cybin?  It makes sense to me that if it's not bruising blue at all, it could indicate that there aren't enough actives to visibly oxidize in the first place, thus being bunk.  It wouldn't be my first thought but is that line of thinking wrong?


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Re: What if your fruits dont bruise blue? [Re: abltsandwich]
    #18773896 - 08/29/13 04:20 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Isn't bluing the oxidation of psilocyn/cybin?  It makes sense to me that if it's not bruising blue at all, it could indicate that there aren't enough actives to visibly oxidize in the first place, thus being bunk.  It wouldn't be my first thought but is that line of thinking wrong?




This would be an incorrect train of thought.  Causation != Correlation, just because something has the ability to do something doesn't mean that it will.

I could invariably argue the other side of it.  Using the same logic then we would assume that hemophaeliacs would be the super strain of the human species; if you cut them they will bleed to death (turn dark blue) or if you flick them they will bruise heavier (bruising on light handling).  But we know that's not the case so therefor the non-bluing mushroom's must be more potent!

Perfect case of causation != correlation.


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Re: What if your fruits dont bruise blue? [Re: tbagtag]
    #18774840 - 08/29/13 07:57 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Are all women with big breasts good in bed? Blue issue solved.


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Re: What if your fruits dont bruise blue? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #18774877 - 08/29/13 08:06 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

i picked some fresh Wollongongs yesterday that didn't bruise at all... they'll knock yr fuckin' dick in the dirt, i promise...


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Re: What if your fruits dont bruise blue? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #18775842 - 08/30/13 01:33 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Are all women with big breasts good in bed? Blue issue solved.




Agreed, but that really has no similarity.


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Re: What if your fruits dont bruise blue? [Re: tbagtag]
    #18776150 - 08/30/13 05:21 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Isn't bluing the oxidation of psilocyn/cybin?  It makes sense to me that if it's not bruising blue at all, it could indicate that there aren't enough actives to visibly oxidize in the first place, thus being bunk.  It wouldn't be my first thought but is that line of thinking wrong?




This would be an incorrect train of thought.  Causation != Correlation, just because something has the ability to do something doesn't mean that it will.

I could invariably argue the other side of it.  Using the same logic then we would assume that hemophaeliacs would be the super strain of the human species; if you cut them they will bleed to death (turn dark blue) or if you flick them they will bruise heavier (bruising on light handling).  But we know that's not the case so therefor the non-bluing mushroom's must be more potent!

Perfect case of causation != correlation.





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Re: What if your fruits dont bruise blue? [Re: Trippy_Smurf]
    #18776783 - 08/30/13 10:38 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Stamets says bluing reactions are due to the oxidation of phenolic compounds, not related to the actives.

This is why bluing alone is not a good way to ID an active mushroom.

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Re: What if your fruits dont bruise blue? [Re: FrankHorrigan]
    #18776870 - 08/30/13 11:00 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Stamets says bluing reactions are due to the oxidation of phenolic compounds, not related to the actives.

This is why bluing alone is not a good way to ID an active mushroom.

Also, mastercultivator was a puppet and is now banned :wink:





Also aren't there deadly mushrooms that blue up too?


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Re: What if your fruits dont bruise blue? [Re: tbagtag]
    #18776877 - 08/30/13 11:01 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I'm no field expert by any means...barely a field apprentice :lol:

But I would not doubt it.


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