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My first 4g trip, Please give me some feed back. 1
#18772175 - 08/29/13 08:59 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hi all, i would really like if you could give me some feed back on this recent trip i had, as i can remember it as clear as day.
Ive got only 6 trips under my belt.
and with zero tolerance have been doing 2g always. (dried)
on my 5th trip i got rather bored of 2g and then took 3g same thing bit more distorted and the kaleidoscope and Celtic patters were more obvious and profound, marbling on bathroom tiles. that sort of malarkey.
UNTIL!!!! i looked up at the sun with my eyes closed and discovered for the first time COV's. I mean WOOOOOOOOOOOOOW i have never seen such beauty, the 3D patterns and greens and reds and oranges and pinks were incredible, tunnels, silk like scarves passing me by. my eyes constantly streaming with amazement. (i must of looked like a nutcase on my balcony staring at the sun with my eyes closed) with this huge stupid Grin on my face, but i didn't care.
6 weeks later with such eagerness, i wanted it again i was sat in my flat munched down 3g's and waited for the magic to happen, now usually i start to peak in an hour and 15 but 2 hours in and the effect were similar, but not quite the same. the COV's weren't as profound. a bit blurry and murky, which made me disappointed. There were COV's but i had to really try to look for it. So like the absolute Johnson (penis) that i am, i swallow another g. What a big mistake. It was like as if the mushroom had said oh! not strong enough for ya am i, take this you over egotistical c*nt And literally Shafted me!
Now it wasn't a bad trip, there was no darkness, no horrible things. but it was like a serious serious !!!!!overload of information of shapes and colours bombarding me. everything that i normally see but just really intense and everywhere, and things moving distorsion vibrating, the chairs were going sideways, my coffee table with my laptop was moving away from me, i could not sit like this any longer. i had to get up, and was paseing around the room not knowing what to do, trying to fight it and not focus on anything but it kept coming in these waves and between each wave i had this very little 10-20 second gap to relax and then the next wave was even more intensive then the next. My anxiety at this point was sky rocketed and was a little worried I'd go kookooo. i tried to sit and give my self in to it and close my eyes. but it was too much information with the COV's, like some kind of visual language. i wouldn't let my eyes rest for 2 seconds i didn't want to focus on anything or even blink. because that 2-3 second chance i gave it, it would try to show me all this patterns and cog's, what the hell is with that? i kept seeing cogs, like from machinery and spiral Pillars in my COV' and some kind of a..... i dont know figure entity in the centre in bright green.
i think the anxiety got the best of me. and now im so pissed at my self because i dont know what i was afraid of. Nothing was scary, but it was that the trip was too strong and i wasn't ready for it. i couldn't deal with the intensity of the patterning bombarding my mind.
Its annoying for me because I'm alone in this. And a lot of the times i wish i could have some one spiritual as a sitter. To relieve me or teach me, or guide me through the experience. because on the 4g's there was something happening that could have been amaizing, i felt it was possible i could have left the room, if i just let it. but it was too dificult to let go and was not comfortable to give in. it would shroud my body when i sat down, but at the same time i want to.
i think what i should have done is just 3.5g the 4g is a whoooooooole other ball game. and i underestimated the power.
I do want to do the 4grams again but not anytime soon, but i think i need some tips. something to focus on for while on the 4g's because all i kept wanting to do is move around. is there a point where the anxiety just goes should i have just waited?
let me know what you think of my report and please lent me sum help 
Us noobies need some guidance
thanks Desa
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Re: My first 4g trip, Please give me some feed back. [Re: desa]
#18772198 - 08/29/13 09:14 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sounds like fun to me!
Maybe leaving the room would have been a good idea... you'd be surprised how a change of environment can really have a positive influence on your trip, sometimes you have to find your comfort zone to really enjoy things.
If I'm sitting in a room and begin to feel a bit uneasy I find going for a walk, trying some different tunes... I can never just stay in one place. Sometimes you just need to focus on something else.
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Re: My first 4g trip, Please give me some feed back. [Re: desa]
#18772199 - 08/29/13 09:15 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm a noob too and I know what you mean, my first decent trip was with 4 grams, blew me out of the water. Definitely take a small break and take it down a notch next time, you'll probably feel better about the experience given time. Also, when things start to get uncomfortable, changing something in the setting can help, ie. going for a walk or changing the music. Also I get what you mean about that restless feeling, that's where I feel like maybe a little walk outside to the garden or anything would be beneficial.
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Re: My first 4g trip, Please give me some feed back. [Re: Harrishroom]
#18772210 - 08/29/13 09:18 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Harrishroom said: I'm a noob too and I know what you mean, my first decent trip was with 4 grams, blew me out of the water. Definitely take a small break and take it down a notch next time, you'll probably feel better about the experience given time. Also, when things start to get uncomfortable, changing something in the setting can help, ie. going for a walk or changing the music. Also I get what you mean about that restless feeling, that's where I feel like maybe a little walk outside to the garden or anything would be beneficial.
Exactly... you said the same thing just as I was editing my post.
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Re: My first 4g trip, Please give me some feed back. [Re: mushroomfred]
#18772245 - 08/29/13 09:38 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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yep i will try that, a change of setting does sound like a good idea. the thing is i did it around 21.30 it was dark, and my flat's decor isn't the brightest. i have dark green carpet and vi think my home setting isn't beneficial. very old scool leather dark green chaies, so the creases become profound and not nice to look at.vi think my home setting isn't beneficial.
out of curiosity by my description, what trip level could you associate it too?
im thinking level 3 borderline level 4. or the very tip of level 3
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Re: My first 4g trip, Please give me some feed back. [Re: desa]
#18773285 - 08/29/13 02:06 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Take a shower. Change rooms. Change songs. Breathe. Breathe. Tell yourself it is only drugs. There is nothing to fear except your own mind.
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Re: My first 4g trip, Please give me some feed back. [Re: thormaxim]
#18773629 - 08/29/13 03:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Now that you have made it through this you will find that next time brings a lot less anxiety because you know you will be all right.
Maybe take a bit less. You have your whole live to do shrooms so why hurry?
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Re: My first 4g trip, Please give me some feed back. [Re: desa]
#18773731 - 08/29/13 03:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nice trip report. Enjoyed reading it very much! 
I think people may be divided in what they want out of trips.
Some want that outrageous experience of 5 grams etc, which I have never tried, others enjoy the sparkles and effects of 2-3 grams.
I wouldn't take 4-5 grams alone, tbh, but I want to do it one day under excellent conditions, perfect serenity and safety, with good people around me, and no plans for the next couple of days.
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Re: My first 4g trip, Please give me some feed back. [Re: Tripsurfer]
#18773761 - 08/29/13 03:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Great report!
I love when Brits type trip reports. Y'all have a way with words that is really entertaining.
Every trip is different. Every batch of shrooms is different. Finding a sweet spot can be difficult. The cruelest thing is: Whenever you set out to have a specific experience, the shroomies tend to shove it up your ass and give you something else instead.
As for visuals, a few things come into play. Dosage and, believe it or not, marijuana.
The bigger your dose, the more visual your trip will be. After many visual trips, you can scale down and probably experience visuals on a lower dose, but for many (myself included) it takes practice.
Also, marijuana greatly enhances visuals and intensifies a trip. It is not everybody's cup of tea though. Marijuana gives you the ability to peak and re-peak as it lasts a fraction of the time a trip lasts. Once the weed wears off, you are just tripping, which will seem easy. Then you can choose to toke or not to toke if you want to fly back up. It gives you an option for a more intense trip while limiting the duration of the intensity.
The key to CEV's in my opinion, are OEV's. If you are having open eyed visuals, just wait until you close them! OEV's are most intense in the day time. For me, I had to practice. It took me perhaps a hundred or so trips before I really figured this out. The key is soft focus. Look at an object while tripping (optional, smoke a bowl while looking) and let your eyes go out of focus a bit. Like you are primarily looking at the tree, but you are also ready to look at anything else in your field of view. Things should start to get visual in a few minutes. Once they do, keep looking for another few minutes (optional, take a few more hits). This will lock the OEV's in when you look away. If you are hallucinating by looking at things around you, it is time to close your eyes, although CEV's happen sooner and on lower doses than OEV's.
Practice will reduce the, "Oh shit! This is intense!" feeling.
Good luck and thanks for your post.
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Re: My first 4g trip, Please give me some feed back. [Re: Rose]
#18774242 - 08/29/13 05:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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4-5 gm range is when it gets good really... Actually psychedelic
Set and setting.... Honest, more you put into it, the more you get out of it.
You might want to try setting up a ritual for yourself... Here is a good thread on rituals: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15291995
Rituals create a sense of order and purpose in your Set... Calms and makes you feel secure
Try leaving yourself notes...."you are tripping, drink some water a d turn in some new tunes" or "don't go outside" or "change of scenery, change of setting" Helps if you get lost....
Experience is a teacher.... Learn
At some point... Need to trust you will be ok no matter what... Trust in you, trust in the mushrooms
Peace
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Re: My first 4g trip, Please give me some feed back. [Re: desa]
#18774307 - 08/29/13 05:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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desa said:
but it was like a serious serious !!!!!overload of information of shapes and colours bombarding me.
Its annoying for me because I'm alone in this.
And a lot of the times i wish i could have some one spiritual as a sitter. To relieve me or teach me, or guide me through the experience.
I can relate really well with all 3 of these. I've begun to look at it in a pioneer light...The early shamans learned by experimenting and guided followers...imagine yourself as a shaman of your time...experimenting and learning the way of spiritual energy. Relax and let the flow take you, so you can teach others to relax and let the flow take them. just open your mind and watch what happens.
I like it though. Sometimes these "not quite bad" trips can teach us a lot about ourselves and the power of what we're messing with.
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Re: My first 4g trip, Please give me some feed back. [Re: Astrodelic]
#18775176 - 08/29/13 09:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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yeah that half a gram makes a huge difference. i still remember how utterly floored i was when i did 4 grams on the beach for my second trip (my first trip was 1.5g).
it was as soon as i said, ok im just going to let it happen, that everything went nuts. I tried to fight it, but my attempts to fight it were futile. it was scary being that far removed from reality, but i wound up in a state of ego death, and everything was suddenly peaceful, as i witnessed the universe. the biggest key is to not fight the trip, just let it happen and you will get so much more out of it... its hard to do because losing grips with reality is a really scary thing, and its not until you are completely removed from reality that you can relax again.
it took me about 4 months to even start to understand the things that my 4 gram trip showed me, so much wikipedia searching to find the meaning of the trip. that trip turned me from agnostic to pantheist. and even though that 4 grams might be what some people, myself included call a mistake, i wouldnt ever take it back if i was given the choice, it changed me in the best way.
it showed me that everything is one and we're all in it together.
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Re: My first 4g trip, Please give me some feed back. [Re: sailing]
#18776284 - 08/30/13 07:06 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm by no means some sage psychonaut, but it seems to me that trying to fight going deep, is probably caused by fear of losing control. And fear is probably not what one wants when tripping like that, giving in to it instead, path of least resistance, and joining it, seems less likely to cause a bad trip.
Again, might be talking out of my ass.
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Re: My first 4g trip, Please give me some feed back. [Re: Astrodelic]
#18776759 - 08/30/13 10:28 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Astrodelic said:
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desa said:
but it was like a serious serious !!!!!overload of information of shapes and colours bombarding me.
Its annoying for me because I'm alone in this.
And a lot of the times i wish i could have some one spiritual as a sitter. To relieve me or teach me, or guide me through the experience.
I can relate really well with all 3 of these. I've begun to look at it in a pioneer light...The early shamans learned by experimenting and guided followers...imagine yourself as a shaman of your time...experimenting and learning the way of spiritual energy. Relax and let the flow take you, so you can teach others to relax and let the flow take them. just open your mind and watch what happens.
I like to think of it the same way! There's something comforting in paving the way of psychedelics for yourself. On my only intense trip (4 grams) I realized that reading trip reports and others experiences wont help me, ever. I own each of my experiences, and they are among the few things in life that we can truly experience for ourselves.
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Re: My first 4g trip, Please give me some feed back. [Re: Harrishroom]
#18779783 - 08/30/13 11:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Harrishroom said:
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Astrodelic said:
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desa said:
but it was like a serious serious !!!!!overload of information of shapes and colours bombarding me.
Its annoying for me because I'm alone in this.
And a lot of the times i wish i could have some one spiritual as a sitter. To relieve me or teach me, or guide me through the experience.
I can relate really well with all 3 of these. I've begun to look at it in a pioneer light...The early shamans learned by experimenting and guided followers...imagine yourself as a shaman of your time...experimenting and learning the way of spiritual energy. Relax and let the flow take you, so you can teach others to relax and let the flow take them. just open your mind and watch what happens.
I like to think of it the same way! There's something comforting in paving the way of psychedelics for yourself. On my only intense trip (4 grams) I realized that reading trip reports and others experiences wont help me, ever. I own each of my experiences, and they are among the few things in life that we can truly experience for ourselves.
That's brilliant. I never though about it that way before. Thank you.
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Re: My first 4g trip, Please give me some feed back. [Re: Astrodelic]
#18779804 - 08/30/13 11:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I remember my first trip and it was an 8th of really bomb shrooms and that day alone changed my life forever. It was like an entirely new secret niche that ive been waiting to discover for years and hearing about.
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Re: My first 4g trip, Please give me some feed back. [Re: Fuckspice]
#18785109 - 09/01/13 12:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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well well, isnt this a pleasant surprise, i haven't checked out my thread for a few days and have come on today to discover many replies. Thank you people.
Ye i can see its not one of those things you can learn from information online ( im talking about the trip of course) someone up top said something about Wikipedia, i would go hours and hours on this forum reading up trip reports, trying to get a little insight as to what im letting my self in for, but it really doesn't matter or help much in comparison to when u do it lol.
I suppose i did the dose because im itching to find that insight, that beauty, the unknown. something other than this reality which i so passionately hate, (the materialistic bullshit around us).
But when it begun to take me out of my comfort zone, out of reality, i could not handle it. As i said again it was just too much information. does any know what i mean by this information thing (visually) with the COV's it was too hard to process it in my brain, too fast. but now that ive experienced it, i know what its like. and i can prepare myself for next time.
i guess i the 2-3g trips are cool. but it gets a bit repetitive. but wow that one extra gram was something else. And i wanted to enjoy it and gain from it what i could. Thanks a bunch guys
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Re: My first 4g trip, Please give me some feed back. [Re: desa]
#18785146 - 09/01/13 12:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lol I bet 20 grams is nothing compared to getting a vial of LSD squirted in your mouth. I saw a report on YouTube. He said he tripped for 2 days in a different world and that he gets twitches randomly lol
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Re: My first 4g trip, Please give me some feed back. [Re: desa]
#18785749 - 09/01/13 03:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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does any know what i mean by this information thing (visually) with the COV's
You talk about the CEVs 'trying to show you something' using a kind of visual language.
This is what happens when you are being drawn into a trip - the visuals intensify and change in character from something colorful and random into something which seems to have its own purpose, something powerful and remorseless which is pulling you in every time you close your eyes... 
If the trip is intense, you begin to get a feeling of a realization dawning. You become aware of the meaning of the visuals as they draw you in.
The first time you really get sucked in to this kind of trip, it's as though you've been queuing at a theme park for some gentle children's ride on brightly painted animals, only to discover that you're actually in the queue for a vertical-drop roller coaster into A Hallucinogenic Nightmare of Unbelievable Intensity

It's a bit late to worry about going "kookooo" when you're losing contact with reality, convinced that the psychedelic vortex behind your eyelids is some kind of gateway to the beyond where they are.
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it was too dificult to let go and was not comfortable to give in.
That's true. Depending on the dose, you may be able to hold on to reality, or you may get swept away by the trip, or you may cling on to the last possible moment until you can't cope with the intensity. You can try and keep your eyes open and ignore the CEV, but sometimes the CEV intensify until they are just there whether your eyes are open or closed. And when all the walls are covered in glowing green symbols, and the room is receding and shifting as the shadows move, keeping your eyes open is less of a comfort.

Personally, I like to be sat in bed while all this is happening, letting my head nod forwards, just accepting each wave of the trip as it comes at me, good or bad. I find that my thoughts get caught in waves of the trip and go off at tangents, mingling with the CEV, then suddenly switch back to reality.
At some point, just try to keep your eyes closed and don't be frightened of the surge that is coming at you. That is not something you are trying to avoid, that is somewhere you are trying to get to. It's like a ship you want to be on - it's better to be standing on the deck than getting pulverized by the churning wake coming out of the back.
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i could not handle it.
You don't need to 'handle' the trip, in the same way that you don't need to fly the aircraft when you book a seat on a plane. It's just an altered state, like sleep; it might take you out of reality to a certain degree, but the world is not going to collapse just because you loosen your grip on reality for a few hours.
You can let yourself get swept up into the most crazy trip, completely lose your sense of self for a few minutes while the universe collapses and rebuilds itself within your own mind, then you find that the waves of intensity are leveling off, you feel as though you are 'back' only you are in the middle of an epic trip and you feel really amazing. The thing you were fighting is the thing you wanted to happen in the first place.
On a more general level, it's probably a good idea to stay in the location where you planned to trip, don't wander off into the street on a whim. It can help to do something minor to make yourself more comfortable; turn up the heating, change the music, adjust your clothing - but at some stage you realize that switching tracks on your music player is not going to stop the trip.
In fact, I like to create a 5+ hour playlist specifically designed for tripping, adjusting it between one trip and the next but just leaving it to play through during the trip itself. It can be a comfort to think that "all I have to do is keep listening to the end of the playlist" which is true. The change from one track to another allows a moment of "Oh I like this track" which lightens the mood as reality unwinds in front of you.
You don't need to do anything. You don't need to go anywhere. Just put up with the initial anxiety/discomfort and the trip will come back to you, however hostile it may seem at the beginning. If you are tripping alone, writing down your thoughts can be something to keep your mind occupied. You may be surprised what comes out, and the strange themes that develop during your trips. If you can inject a bit of a sense of humour into the trip it becomes a lot more enjoyable; even in a bad trip there can be a bizarre phrase that gets stuck in your head and makes you laugh.
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Re: My first 4g trip, Please give me some feed back. [Re: Rose]
#18785876 - 09/01/13 03:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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TwinEclipse said: Lol I bet 20 grams is nothing compared to getting a vial of LSD squirted in your mouth. I saw a report on YouTube. He said he tripped for 2 days in a different world and that he gets twitches randomly lol
hmm, interesting. not sure what that has to do in relation to this thread but ok.
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Cervantes said: Great report! I love when Brits type trip reports. Y'all have a way with words that is really entertaining.
hah apparently so... we mere British have a way and a say, ive herd that a few times 
As for visuals, a few things come into play. Dosage and, believe it or not, marijuana.
yes ive herd about rolling bombers and that smokin pot intensifies, but the thing is i cant handle the affects of weed, they make me throw up, and give me the wonderful joys of paranoia to play with my mind. Im can hash tho, So maybe i could give that a go. So what your saying is take a low dose of cubes like a 2g, and then smoke a little weed... and it intensifies the trip but for a fraction of the time??? sorry mate can you elaborate on this im keen to know and not sure i understood the post about the dosage and weed combos, u wrote about.
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