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You ever hear people bitch about other people and it seems like they are subconsciously bitching about themselves?
For instance a very obvious selfish person who doesn't get their way saying how selfish someone is when they don't give them want they want..etc etc.
What is this?
And why?
And what happens when one realizes they are essentially talking about themselves?
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Re: Hmmm [Re: hTx]
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pretty freudian idea, projection, the idea being that you're unconsciously rejecting your own unacceptable attributes by projecting them onto somebody else.
it's a defense mechanism to maintain one's own self image of being the good selfless guy
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Re: Hmmm [Re: hTx] 3
#18771586 - 08/29/13 01:44 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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This explains many of your posts.
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Nobody ever seems to fess up to that, it's always an insight about somebody else.... with a
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Check out all of the back-patting in my trippers thread.
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Than there is Orgone, thinking he's better then anybody.
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OrgoneConclusion said: This explains many of your posts.
Well, I figured I explained many of my posts in my posts so that makes sense
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CosmicJoke said: pretty freudian idea, projection, the idea being that you're unconsciously rejecting your own unacceptable attributes by projecting them onto somebody else.
it's a defense mechanism to maintain one's own self image of being the good selfless guy
This makes sense..
Its an observation I've been noticing while having conversations with some close friends of mine, one in particular, who literally went off on a certain persons bad attributes and I couldn't help but giggle at the obviousness of what he was complaining about was all the things that he has wrong with himself..
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Re: Hmmm [Re: hTx]
#18771772 - 08/29/13 03:54 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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jungs shadow personality comes to mind. Often manifests itself in dreams, projections etc
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Re: Hmmm [Re: hTx]
#18771868 - 08/29/13 05:02 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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hTx said: You ever hear people bitch about other people and it seems like they are subconsciously bitching about themselves?
For instance a very obvious selfish person who doesn't get their way saying how selfish someone is when they don't give them want they want..etc etc.
What is this?
And why?
And what happens when one realizes they are essentially talking about themselves?
You tell us.
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Bitching about people who bitch...
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Icelander said:
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hTx said: You ever hear people bitch about other people and it seems like they are subconsciously bitching about themselves?
For instance a very obvious selfish person who doesn't get their way saying how selfish someone is when they don't give them want they want..etc etc.
What is this?
And why?
And what happens when one realizes they are essentially talking about themselves?
You tell us. 

Seriously though you didn't discover some great human secret, I noticed that when I was like 13 and then learned it was a theory. Anyway I'm just as guilty as everyone else that does it. you probably do it but don't recognise it
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Re: Hmmm [Re: lolwut]
#18771986 - 08/29/13 06:50 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I dont think htx was bitching, just sharing an observation. Projection is a silly defense mechanism...i catch myself doing it sometimes and laugh at myself
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Re: Hmmm [Re: hTx]
#18772508 - 08/29/13 10:51 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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hTx said: You ever hear people bitch about other people and it seems like they are subconsciously bitching about themselves?
For instance a very obvious selfish person who doesn't get their way saying how selfish someone is when they don't give them want they want..etc etc.
What is this?
And why?
And what happens when one realizes they are essentially talking about themselves?
This is the classic biblical saying about what is now referred to as Projection in Psychoanalytical psychology as CJ noted: "Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye," from Matthew 7:5. Projection is just one of several psychological defense mechanisms. There is also Projective I identification, which is something my ex-wife used to do with me. In that mechanism, you not only project your own stuff onto someone, but you then begin to react/respond to that person AS IF they really embody that projection.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_mechanism
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Those sorts of things should be taught in primary school, along with how to effectively deal with emotions, understanding your physical & mental response to emotions, how to effectively cope, etc..
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Penelope_Tree said: Those sorts of things should be taught in primary school, along with how to effectively deal with emotions, understanding your physical & mental response to emotions, how to effectively cope, etc..
Absolutely
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Penelope_Tree said: Those sorts of things should be taught in primary school, along with how to effectively deal with emotions, understanding your physical & mental response to emotions, how to effectively cope, etc..
Who's going to teach it?
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I dont know, i never claimed it as some novel human secret nor am i bitching, just sharing an observation
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Re: Hmmm [Re: hTx]
#18774857 - 08/29/13 08:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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"There is nothing new under the sun" (unless you're still in your 20s)
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Re: Hmmm [Re: hTx]
#18774875 - 08/29/13 08:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yep, simply projection. People projecting their insecurities on others.
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Penelope_Tree said: Those sorts of things should be taught in primary school, along with how to effectively deal with emotions, understanding your physical & mental response to emotions, how to effectively cope, etc..
I agree with you 100%. In fact, the choice position of TRUST Specialist in Miami-Dade County Public Schools for 27 years gave me room to do just that! In response to 6th graders questions about subliminals in their Disney animations, I came up with a comprehensible lesson about Freud's Eros-Thanatos theories, as well as Pavlov 101. I still have a number of laminated magazine ads with the word 'sex' embedded in various places, condoms secreted in flowers, the word 'cancer' shadowed on a cigarette ad, skeletons airbrushed into ice cubes in a glass of liquor, etc. I did answer all kinds of questions on psychology for the kids, but their vocabularies, barring the few gifted kids, were too limited at that age to handle many of the classic defense mechanisms in a classroom setting. During mediations and counseling, with 1, 2, or a small group, it was possible to explain things. I also, for many years, played a game in which kids would pull a card with the name of one emotion on it. They had to non-verbally act out the emotion, and the class was taught to observe, not guess, then respond with what they thought the emotion was. That game was actually part of the TRUST curriculum. I guess as a new retiree, I'm still mourning a long-held position, but it did accomplish what you suggested and much much more.
So to answer Icelander's question, I was someone who taught kids these things in my unique way, and I was only twice called into the principal's office to answer to a parent whose child had excitedly announced at home that you can find the word sex, and references to death everywhere in Madison Avenue. No disciplinary action, I was good at being transparent to parents with no hidden agendas.
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