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Beavis91
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Difference between spirit and soul
#18771290 - 08/28/13 11:46 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Just something I've been pondering about lately and wanting to get some opinions from you guys. I'm definitely open to other opinions but so far I feel as though your soul is who you are, your "true essence" or your "consciousness" if you will, and you spirit is what drives your soul, so to speak, your "will" or motivation. So what do you guys think.
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Re: Difference between spirit and soul [Re: Beavis91]
#18771413 - 08/29/13 12:26 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Just a quick thought: Your soul is your core. Spirit is you in full bloom, with your soul shining through.
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Re: Difference between spirit and soul [Re: Beavis91]
#18771441 - 08/29/13 12:35 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Is just rhetoric.
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Re: Difference between spirit and soul [Re: cez]
#18771953 - 08/29/13 06:08 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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There's the spirit - soul equation: more spirit equals less soul for instance the people who don't seem to be able to do things right and are stupid somehow seem to do more things and ruin them - they are highly spirited but lack soul. People with great soul lose the spirit to do things. Fucked but true.
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Re: Difference between spirit and soul [Re: Beavis91]
#18772005 - 08/29/13 07:04 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Beavis91 said: Just something I've been pondering about lately and wanting to get some opinions from you guys. I'm definitely open to other opinions but so far I feel as though your soul is who you are, your "true essence" or your "consciousness" if you will, and you spirit is what drives your soul, so to speak, your "will" or motivation. So what do you guys think.
Ok it's pretty simple,
This is your soul:
and
This is your spirit:
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Re: Difference between spirit and soul [Re: lolwut]
#18772235 - 08/29/13 09:32 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Soul is more of a program.
An individual expression of the divine. A fragmentation, a quality that existence cannot go on without, if it is to Be Whole-ly.
Spirit is Source, and there is one Spirit. One cosmic spirit.
Soul seems to be a collective of memory, in the here now. Where we have the human life/ego game vs connecting to soul on this plane... in higher dimensions (higher planes, higher states of existence, etc) I would imagine that soul is a memory databank of all concurrent lifetimes "chosen" to be experienced, in which this lifetime is but one of an innumerable amount of experiences.
As you get deeper into the Oversoul experience, you realize all the fragments of "you" the "soul" are lonely, for you have just been "Experiencing yourself" this whole time. Then you, again, like in this lifetime, open up to the one Cosmic Spirit. Back into Oneness (oneness can never be achieved, I know this to be the most significant aspect of existence. Oneness is a relation).
And then you develop a soul-memory complex, created from other "completed" soul fragments that become part of a larger oversoul network, extending on through infinity. You realize the fallacy that is individuality, but also the appreciation that comes from all those limited lifetime experiences expressing a particular theme of Source COnsciousness.
I see "All That Is" or "Isness" as the primordial oversoul, if you will, the one that is everything. Before there were any fragmentations into lower planes of existence, there was the All That Is as One.
And the void is the "source" of infinite potential, the "no-thing" ready to be everything. To me that is Spirit.
Spirit is the essence, soul is the expression through which the spirit can be experienced.
Infinite paradoxical relationship.
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Re: Difference between spirit and soul [Re: Angel_Above]
#18772258 - 08/29/13 09:44 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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i really do think the opposite - soul is the individual, and spirit is universal and the same everywhere and for everything. Even rocks have spirit. It's very stoney. You ever hugged a Sequoia? They know how to chill. That's spirit. Soul is every asshole on the hustle. Oversoul what's that, Nazis or something?
For instance, I was looking in this guys eyes who had speedballed all night and his mind was gone and he was in a very dark place, but I could see his stinking soul swealtering there.
On the other hand I look at my parrot's eyes light up when she gets a piece of fruit and that's all the evidence I need of soul and spirit working together as Goddess intended.
So close yet so far away these things.
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Re: Difference between spirit and soul [Re: eve69]
#18772921 - 08/29/13 12:41 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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My opening statements included soul being individual....
Oversoul is just a semantic way of describing that well... look:
Here we are in a human body having 1 single lifetime experience from this point of view.
Soul is the essence that bridges together LIFETIMES of experiences, as a living expression of itself. It is the life reflection.
Spirit is the source of all interconnectivity, and all interconnectivity is soul for spirit is source and soul is expression.
Without soul, spirit is not expressed. Without spirit, soul has no chance to Be.
View it from human perspective, to the entire realm of human consciousness perspective (another oversoul), to the entire earth consciousness encompassing all animals and forms, so on and so forth into infinity.
All (primordial oversoul, the "everything that exists") is One (source, the void, no-thing, of infinite potential)
Both are.
Spirit is like the highest and lowest vibration in existence which can never be realized fully (like enlightenment, it can only be experienced but it never ends), and soul is the arena of realization utilizing that dynamic to "understand itself" from limitation, like from this earth plane existence.
One infinite spirit, infinite fragmented soul parts that are the experience of infinite spirit
Edited by Angel_Above (08/29/13 12:46 PM)
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Re: Difference between spirit and soul [Re: Angel_Above]
#18773329 - 08/29/13 02:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Spirit and soul are both basically meaningless terms IMO, or at least they're vague, ambiguous, and poorly-defined enough to produce more harm than good when brought up in a conversation.
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Re: Difference between spirit and soul [Re: deCypher]
#18780383 - 08/31/13 06:27 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't know about that. When a chick gives great head I say, she;s got real spirit, but it's when a girl grinds those hips that I know she got souls.
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Re: Difference between spirit and soul [Re: eve69]
#18780532 - 08/31/13 08:18 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Spirit, soul, psyche, mind...all the same thing really. Just words for something that can't be seen.
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Re: Difference between spirit and soul [Re: Beavis91]
#18781021 - 08/31/13 11:37 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Beavis91 said: Just something I've been pondering about lately and wanting to get some opinions from you guys. I'm definitely open to other opinions but so far I feel as though your soul is who you are, your "true essence" or your "consciousness" if you will, and you spirit is what drives your soul, so to speak, your "will" or motivation. So what do you guys think.
I have studied this question for decades in Christian, Jewish, Neoplatonic, Sufi, and Yogic idioms. I like Will Parfitt's Qabalistic take in his gem of a book The Elements of the Qabalah. Similarly, in a Yoga chakra idiom, the lower 3 chakra motivations comprise the 'soul,' while the 4th chakra constitutes the first level of 'spirit,' or a point where transpersonal consciousness enters human awareness. The next 3 chakras also comprise 'spirit' if that archaic word is understood to mean consciousness, and transpersonal consciousness in particular.
Ancient Egyptian notions had the impersonal Ka reunite with the personal Ba, both of which were souls, to form the spiritual Akh, in one formulation. In Judaism, there are sometimes 5 aspects of one's spiritual/soulful existence. My own understanding is that soul partakes more of body and personality attributes, whereas spirit refers more to transpersonal, universal aspects of consciousness with the particularities of the individual left out.
"Kabbalah and other mystic traditions go into greater detail into the nature of the soul. Kabbalah separates the soul into five elements, corresponding to the five worlds: Nephesh, related to natural instinct. Ruach, related to emotion and morality. Neshamah, related to intellect and the awareness of God. Chayah, considered a part of God, as it were. Yechidah, also termed the pintele Yid (the "essential [inner] Jew"). This aspect is essentially one with G‑d."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soul#Judaism
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