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Lingabhakt
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Bulk without a PC?
#18769833 - 08/28/13 06:40 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Namaste, I know: "Get a PC you cheap bastard". Well, I can't right now. Will when I can, but please don't give me the "cutting corners=cut results" rant. I get it, I really do, but it is what it is. So I wanna do a bulk grow spawned to either a monotub or a straw log, but the damn PCer is FUBAR & I wont be able to replace it anytime soon, so what are my spawn options? I was going to buy some spawn bags, but at the prices I seem to be finding them I might as well by a new PC. So work with me folks. Is the BRF PF tek my only option? & if so, what would be the best method (read: most successful) method to go from spore to spore, & what is the best substrate for PF cakes? Thanks Rudra
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Brown rice flour, rye flour are the 2 things I've heard of for the tek. But I'm still fairly new.
You would want to spawn to coir/verm. You just need a large pot with a tight fitting lid.
I believe straw needs to be sterilized... Not 100%
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Shit I'm having trouble doing bulk WITH a PC. I got an 8qt presto from sears for 39.99, but it doesn't fit quart jars, only 5 pint jars
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Lingabhakt said: BRF PF tek my only option? & if so, what would be the best method
In short, Yes. Without a means to sterilize grain BRF PF is the method you would need. You could spawn to bulk, or fruit as cakes. The best method for the PF cakes is the one that works best for you. Most have a great time doing pf cakes and birth to dunk and roll. Cakes are soaked to properly hydrate, than rolled in vermiculite as a casing layer. There is a metric ton of info floating about the "Dunk and roll" tek/method.
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Technically you could steam grains but it would take something like 8+ hours I beleive. Other than that yea you're left with BRF.
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I'm going to agree with 
...and spawn bags don't get you out of buying a PC.
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Thanks folks. I have done lots of PF cakes & enjoy them, but I want to try bulk before winter (I have too many reasons). I really like the Cup Of Shrooms tek from Critic, too. It's very exciting & quickly gratifying. But I gotta get some bulk in. I have never heard of milling rye to flower for PF cakes. Does ones have a foot above the other?
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If you want do do a bulk grow without a PC just spawn BRF cakes.
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Re: Bulk without a PC? [Re: PussyFart]
#18770112 - 08/28/13 07:36 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Organic food stores carry it. Even hannafords. Maybe Wally world around it's flour section.
Don't know if it's better... But it's definitely my preferred grain.
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Why? you get the spawn bag pre sterilized, you get the grow bag pre sterilized. if you have the right amount of spawn to the right amount of subst8 then no fear of contams am I right?
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Lingabhakt said:Is the BRF PF tek my only option?
It's your only well established option. I remember years and years ago some TC said he'd steamed some couscous and used it for spawn with success. But you're way off the beaten path with that one, and very likely to fail. I bought a bunch of couscous recently to test it out, but then I got lazy.
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Re: Bulk without a PC? [Re: R4V4N4]
#18770832 - 08/28/13 09:51 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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R4V4N4 said: Why? you get the spawn bag pre sterilized, you get the grow bag pre sterilized. if you have the right amount of spawn to the right amount of subst8 then no fear of contams am I right?
I was thinking he meant empty spawn bags and filling them himself.
Pre-sterilized didn't even cross my mind
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R4V4N4 said: Why? you get the spawn bag pre sterilized, you get the grow bag pre sterilized. if you have the right amount of spawn to the right amount of subst8 then no fear of contams am I right?
I was thinking he meant empty spawn bags and filling them himself.
Pre-sterilized didn't even cross my mind 
Probably because if he can't afford a thrift store PC, he can't afford two quarts of pre-sterilized WBS.
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Lingabhakt said: Namaste, I know: "Get a PC you cheap bastard".
You answered your own question.
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spawn bags are literally 40 to 65 cents a peice.....you cant afford that? ones spawn bag would probably fit in your pc other than that you can spawn brf cakes to bulk
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Re: Bulk without a PC? [Re: kinkaku]
#18771601 - 08/29/13 01:53 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Confusion on the boards. Pre sterilized grain does not mean no contams. it does mean you will have properly prepared grain and a sponsor to stand behind it. My vote is for BRF cakes to bulk. Ground rye grass seed has been used in cakes with great results also.
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I lost alot recently & money is tighter than a Nun's quim. I live on a horse farm, so hpoo & straw are about as free as it gets. PrePCed spawn bags, such as these: http://www.midwestgrowkits.com/spawn-bags.html work great, but I dont use debt cards or have a bank account, so ordering them are a pain. I have been on the look out for a PC at my local thrift shops, but so far no luck. RR seems confidant enough in spawning to bulk with brf cakes, based of other posts & replies on other threads, so I know I know it can be done with a good degree of succrss.
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Check with some tattoo shops also. sometimes they use it to sterilize their tools.
And your bulk grow list:(anyone add what I'm missing) Verm $5 Brf $2 Coir $2 Trays $1 Tub/tote $10
Assuming you have: Running water A large pot with a tight lid Sterile procedure SAB
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blojo02184 said: Verm $5 Brf $2 Coir $2 Trays $1 Tub/tote $10
I bought a PC off of CL for exactly 20$ once. Fits 4 quart jars. I would think if the OP lives on a farm 20$ is a minimal swing compared to the daily operation costs. If things really are 20$ tight I would think you should be eating ramen noodles and leaving your computer off to save electricity.
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I live on a farm. I dont own it. I rent a room in the house & use my friend's wi-fi. & some days I don't eat at all. Thankfully I have lots of totes (I pretty much live out of them). Thank you to those who were helpful, & eat a dick to those who just wanna be dicks.
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Lingabhakt said: I live on a farm. I dont own it. I rent a room in the house & use my friend's wi-fi. & some days I don't eat at all. Thankfully I have lots of totes (I pretty much live out of them). Thank you to those who were helpful, & eat a dick to those who just wanna be dicks.
Well said! You will have lots of people that are smarter than you, better,etc etc etc. brush em off, they mean nothing in the long run
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Re: Bulk without a PC? [Re: B_BOY]
#18773638 - 08/29/13 03:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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You can buy pre-made grain bags if you don't want to buy a PC. Otherwise some people say you can shred BRF cakes into a bulk, but I never had success with that.
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MidgetPawn said: Shit I'm having trouble doing bulk WITH a PC. I got an 8qt presto from sears for 39.99, but it doesn't fit quart jars, only 5 pint jars
5pints=2.5qts, you only have to do 2 PC runs to get enough grains for bulk, otherwise you can just stick to smaller trays or mini-tubs!
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Lingabhakt said: I live on a farm. I dont own it. I rent a room in the house & use my friend's wi-fi. & some days I don't eat at all. Thankfully I have lots of totes (I pretty much live out of them). Thank you to those who were helpful, & eat a dick to those who just wanna be dicks.
Hey man, people may come across mean, but that was never the intention.
You have had alot of responses on your situation.
Just because you don't like their answer does not mean they are being dicks. Take it with insight, not ignorance. You've been told how to do things if you want to. You also have this whole site to keep searching and reading.
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I have noticed that people that work with mushrooms try to think people are stupid instead of thinking they have a valid question.
Nobody wants to tell you how to make bulk out of $20 because any which way you sound like you will get contams trying to be so cheap. Nobody wants to be blamed for contam methods they themselves are afraid to try.
If I were you I would invent a method and call it Boom Shiva Tek if it is a success
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Re: Bulk without a PC? [Re: R4V4N4]
#18774871 - 08/29/13 08:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm only an "ass" because I was in the situation posting bullshit back-story to ask if I could do something the WRONG way. Then one day it hit me. If people are doing it this way I'm sure they have tried all of my dumbshit ways. Think about baking bread. I bet you couldn't just whip some up even though people have been doing it for centuries. If you don't want to listen to the people that have done it then why come here? People come here for a reason, usually being that they think the source is trustworthy, and then they want to make their own tek. Search though my old threads(I was a the one callings others dickheads before I learned) and you will see that you wont be so arrogant when you start wanting 4+oz flushes from you bulk tubs with MS inoculation. Make your own mistakes if you want but why dispute people who obviously have made those mistakes and are trying to have you avoid them. This community is your only hope since you wouldn't have a gram without them most likely, I know I wouldn't have.
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Sorry for my hostility earlier. I was having a bad day & was snappish. Yall didn't deserve it & I apologise. I shouldn't bring my BS here.
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If you honestly don't have the cash for a pressure cooker, you have every reason to be snappish. I know that when I'm that broke I act like a feral child, so I didn't think anything of it since I've been there (a month ago) and I acted out way worse than you did.
Your mountains of h-poo situation sounds wonderful, honestly. So you have that and another thing going for you: if you do hpoo/hay outdoors, you can get away with a much lower spawn/substrate ratio. It will be a serious pain in the ass making and grating up enough PF cakes to have a grow of any size, but you do what you can, right? And if you've never experienced the glory of grain, I have confidence it won't suck nearly as much for you as if you had.
Do what you gotta do, and get a PC when you can. When you combine a PC, this forum, and your living situation, it's going to be completely
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Lingabhakt said: Namaste, I know: "Get a PC you cheap bastard". Well, I can't right now. Will when I can, but please don't give me the "cutting corners=cut results" rant. I get it, I really do, but it is what it is. So I wanna do a bulk grow spawned to either a monotub or a straw log, but the damn PCer is FUBAR & I wont be able to replace it anytime soon, so what are my spawn options? I was going to buy some spawn bags, but at the prices I seem to be finding them I might as well by a new PC. So work with me folks. Is the BRF PF tek my only option? & if so, what would be the best method (read: most successful) method to go from spore to spore, & what is the best substrate for PF cakes? Thanks Rudra
You could always go with grains and fractionalized sterilization. I wouldn't do.
If you are adamant on doing a bulk grow without a PC. Do PF cakes. Shred them with a cheese grater, and then spawn them do your bulk material. I'd stay away from straw with BRF.
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Re: Bulk without a PC? [Re: Citric]
#18775541 - 08/29/13 10:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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wait, OP did you say you had a small pressure cooker?
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Re: Bulk without a PC? [Re: kinkaku]
#18776668 - 08/30/13 09:47 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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kinkaku said: wait, OP did you say you had a small pressure cooker?
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18769833#18769833
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Lingabhakt said: So I wanna do a bulk grow spawned to either a monotub or a straw log, but the damn PCer is FUBAR & I wont be able to replace it anytime soon, so what are my spawn options?
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No PC. I do have a food processor, though. Will that work better than a greater? I found a really good tek I think I'm gonna use. Let me know what yall think: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/723303/an/0/page/6
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#18777538 - 08/30/13 02:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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That's basically what most people are referring to. You don't have to follow that particular one though.
The basic idea is, because you don't have a PC, to use colonized cakes to spawn to pasteurized substrate. In your case, hpoo.
This is the recommendation, at least in part, because you don't need to have a PC to make cakes.
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if your food processor is super clean I don't see why it wouldn't work but if I had both at my disposal I would still use the grater
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It doesn't need to be super clean. He's going to take what he grinds up in that food processor and throw it in horse shit.
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Re: Bulk without a PC? [Re: Psilicon]
#18781554 - 08/31/13 02:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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pasteurized horse shit. It's just a risk is all, if there's a food particle with trich already growing on it somewhere in that processor it's unnecessary to bring it into your bulk sub. Most food processors are neglected since they are a PITA to clean.
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There's no need to pasteurize the horse shit for an outdoor grow, so being careful indoors is a waste of time and energy.
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Re: Bulk without a PC? [Re: Psilicon]
#18781602 - 08/31/13 02:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oops I forgot he was doing outdoor.
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No. I'm doing indoors. I will clean my food processor very well, though. Not because I'm worried about the colonized cakes being over run, but because it's easy to be clean. Once I get everything up & running I will have to get a buddy to show me how to use a digital camera so I can upload some pics (another feat I will have to be taught). Believe it or not I'm just about computer clueless. Hell, I'm not even on a computer now. I'm on my PS3 (well, more my wife's than mine). I don't own a computer. We mostly got the PS3 for the Blu-ray player.
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Lingabhakt said: No. I'm doing indoors. I will clean my food processor very well, though. Not because I'm worried about the colonized cakes being over run, but because it's easy to be clean. Once I get everything up & running I will have to get a buddy to show me how to use a digital camera so I can upload some pics (another feat I will have to be taught). Believe it or not I'm just about computer clueless. Hell, I'm not even on a computer now. I'm on my PS3 (well, more my wife's than mine). I don't own a computer. We mostly got the PS3 for the Blu-ray player.
In your situation, unless you live in northern Canada, I'd really advise an outdoor grow. But if you decide to go indoors anyway, then bodhisatta is absolutely right: just make sure the food processor is clean and the poo is pasteurized by Frank's tek.
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Re: Bulk without a PC? [Re: Psilicon]
#18782086 - 08/31/13 05:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Clean your food processor as well as you would your fruiting tray/tub.
There are some who say the food processor damages the mycelium. I don't have an opinion. Just food for thought
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I may just use a cheese greater just to give my wife something to do, lol. I live in NY & out door grows with cudies dont work too well, especially this time of year.
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Yeah dude, I know that feeling.
Outdoors grows for us start in April, end in August. After August, it gets too cold at night.
Look into azures, they can grow through November till there's snow on the ground. And then even better, they have been known to winter over!
It's a wood lover though so it's a little different than cubes, not much from what I hear.
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mushmagic said: Technically you could steam grains but it would take something like 8+ hours I beleive. Other than that yea you're left with BRF.
This whole thread is pretty much bullshit especially 8hrs come on dude don't spread it unless you have tried it.
I do not own a PC I never have. I do want one, and i always keep my eye out for a good deal.
However in the mean time which has been 3 years since i started doing this as a hobby, I have done nothing but steam sterilize for no longer than 2 hrs. Granted, I have only used whole brown rice as my grain of choice. The results have by far exceeded my expectations, when i have used it as spawn to bulk. G2G jar  1 1/2 qts spawned to H poo not the best set i have had but good enough for me. 2oz cracker dry first flush 37qt tub   All of the fruits and pics in my gallery aside from the cakes have been done this way.
I am even currently doing a mini mono tub of reishi. I wanted to experiment with it first as i didn't wanna waist my reishi LC syringe. So i prepped and STEAM sterilized my grain(wbr)i used 1/2 quart to experiment with, 6 days after inoculation(very very fast reishi is a beast) it was ready for bulk. My substrate was pasteurized wood pellets,wheat bran,and gypsum.
It can be done use your imagination,think outside the box a little.
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I was thinking about doing a huge oyster & button grow to take to the local farmers market. For all the produce the there are no mushroom vendors.
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mushmagic said: Technically you could steam grains but it would take something like 8+ hours I beleive. Other than that yea you're left with BRF.
This whole thread is pretty much bullshit especially 8hrs come on dude don't spread it unless you have tried it.
Tell that to this guy....
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RogerRabbit said: Fractional sterilization fails 90% or greater of the time.
Steam grain jars as in the brf tek for 8 hours all at once if you don't have a pressure cooker. Keep a second pot of water on the stove boiling so you can add water as needed several times over that 8 hours. RR
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17046622#17046622
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RogerRabbit said: After preparation of the grains, you can steam at 100C for 8 hours and succeed. In fact, this is the method we use on our commercial mushroom farm to achieve 100% success. Not only that, but we're at 4000' elevation so water boils at less than 100C. The key is to keep the grains or supplemented sawdust at or near 100C for 8 hours.
Obviously a pressure cooker or sterilizer is best and quickest, but the above works. RR
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17867637#17867637
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RogerRabbit said: You can prepare and jar the grains as shown in Let's Grow Mushrooms and load into quart/liter jars. Steam sterilize for 8 hours in one setting. Keep a second pot of water boiling to use when adding water, because you'll need to do it every half hour or so. RR
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Re: Bulk without a PC? [Re: PussyFart]
#18784901 - 09/01/13 11:24 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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The results i have had speak for themselves. In 3 years i have a had 1 jar succumb to contams, and that was a brf jar on my second go at it.
If i have produced results this way that i am more than satisfied with who are you to knock my method? I have never steamed for 8hrs ever.
Is it the best most tried and true method of course not. Is there one?
The Op wanted to know if it can be done and im here to say YES it can that's all.
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I was not knocking your method, but you sure are knocking this one....
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.....
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Re: Bulk without a PC? [Re: PussyFart]
#18784966 - 09/01/13 11:42 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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The only thing im knocking is people saying you can only use brf cakes as spawn to bulk(wrong)and others saying you have to steam grains for upwards of 8 hrs also(wrong). Last i checked whole brown rice is a grain, Which i spawn to bulk after 90 min steam sterilization. With results im more than happy with.
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justncyn said: The only thing im knocking is people saying you can only use brf cakes as spawn to bulk(wrong)and others saying you have to steam grains for upwards of 8 hrs also(wrong). Last i checked whole brown rice is a grain, Which i spawn to bulk after 90 min steam sterilization. With results im more than happy with.
And that is just one type of grain. Have you had experience with any other grains?
When you want to give advice on a wide variety of whole grains, and not just single out whole brown rice, you give it 8 hours.
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justncyn said: The only thing im knocking is people saying you can only use brf cakes as spawn to bulk(wrong)and others saying you have to steam grains for upwards of 8 hrs also(wrong). Last i checked whole brown rice is a grain, Which i spawn to bulk after 90 min steam sterilization. With results im more than happy with.
I also wasn't talking about whole brown rice though. Just to clarify, I was speaking of grains like rye and WBS.
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Re: Bulk without a PC? [Re: PussyFart]
#18785134 - 09/01/13 12:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I said in my first post in this thread the only grain i have used is whole brown rice. Thus I'm not giving out advice for a wide variety of grains just one. That you don't need a pc for and you can spawn to bulk. With amazing results.
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You also can't really call my statement bullshit though when I wasn't speaking of whole brown rice.
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When most people speak of grains on this forum, most of the time they mean wbs or rye or similar.
It would be just as easy to simply offer an alternative without being a dick. Rice is an alternative maybe nobody thought of.
Good job on alternative solutions though
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SpitballJedi said: When most people speak of grains on this forum, most of the time they mean wbs or rye or similar.
It would be just as easy to simply offer an alternative without being a dick. Rice is an alternative maybe nobody thought of.
Good job on alternative solutions though
Was i being a dick? That was not my intention if so. I am aware of the grains most people speak of on here and that's great for those that use wbs,rye or others and have a PC. The op never mentioned a specific grain. But people who haven't tried alternatives shouldn't chime in based on something they have read, as we all know there is plenty of bad info on this site and plenty of good as well. My advice try alternatives,get your hands dirty, don't be afraid to fail. Read read read and do what feels right. I bet the results will surprise you.
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mushmagic said: Technically you could steam grains but it would take something like 8+ hours I beleive. Other than that yea you're left with BRF.
This whole thread is pretty much bullshit especially 8hrs come on dude don't spread it unless you have tried it.
I do not own a PC I never have. I do want one, and i always keep my eye out for a good deal.
However in the mean time which has been 3 years since i started doing this as a hobby, I have done nothing but steam sterilize for no longer than 2 hrs. Granted, I have only used whole brown rice as my grain of choice. The results have by far exceeded my expectations, when i have used it as spawn to bulk. G2G jar 
How do you shake those rice jars? Since you can't, why not just make a PF-tek cake or 10? And go bulk with them?
It also looks like too ropey, stringy kinnda growth to me. Hard to see on your blurry pic, but they might have some bacteria in there.
I've read lots of people who get away with steaming their popcorn for 2 hrs, especially from Europe for some reason, but they I bet ya they've got some bacteria in there they don't see, but is there fighting with your culture.
edit: Point of the post was to say don't spread so much bad info. To get a got steady result, steam grain for 8 hrs. Don't go saying you just meant unshakable rice grains, just fess up!
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Well, thank you EVERYBODY for the great feed back. I have time on my hands, so I think I might try it all using the Cup O Shrooms tek to see what works best (maybe geography does play a big role; worth looking farther into, I bet). I will likely try a batch of BRG steamed for 8 hrs for one tub & spawned BRF cakes in another, just to see what works best for me. Then again, who knows, I might just find a PC by then, lol. Thanks again, everybody. & for all our bickering & in-fighting on this site, I'm just happy to see so many passionate Shroomites.
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spacechildo said:
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justncyn said:
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mushmagic said: Technically you could steam grains but it would take something like 8+ hours I beleive. Other than that yea you're left with BRF.
This whole thread is pretty much bullshit especially 8hrs come on dude don't spread it unless you have tried it.
I do not own a PC I never have. I do want one, and i always keep my eye out for a good deal.
However in the mean time which has been 3 years since i started doing this as a hobby, I have done nothing but steam sterilize for no longer than 2 hrs. Granted, I have only used whole brown rice as my grain of choice. The results have by far exceeded my expectations, when i have used it as spawn to bulk. G2G jar 
How do you shake those rice jars? Since you can't, why not just make a PF-tek cake or 10? And go bulk with them?
It also looks like too ropey, stringy kinnda growth to me. Hard to see on your blurry pic, but they might have some bacteria in there.
I've read lots of people who get away with steaming their popcorn for 2 hrs, especially from Europe for some reason, but they I bet ya they've got some bacteria in there they don't see, but is there fighting with your culture.
edit: Point of the post was to say don't spread so much bad info. To get a got steady result, steam grain for 8 hrs. Don't go saying you just meant unshakable rice grains, just fess up! 
How do i shake em? I just get out a phone book and bang the jar on it awhile, the consistency of rice is gonna be sticky of course, but it can be done because i have done it. Have you?
Im not really understanding your dialect its almost cryptical but i will try my best.
Have you tried to steam grains for less than 8 hrs? Im sure you haven't is my guess. You just read somewhere it has to be 8hrs, now its part of your vast repertoire of knowledge without ever experimenting, with this so called bad info yourself.
Any information i share on this site i have done myself with great results. If i had bad results, well i would certainly share those as well. Why wouldn't I? We all learn from each other
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You can buy pre sterilized BRF jars on amazon. I have been giving it serious thought..
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William McCarty Jr said: You can buy pre sterilized BRF jars on amazon. I have been giving it serious thought..
learn to do it yourself and you wont regret it.
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Re: Bulk without a PC? [Re: kinkaku]
#18787052 - 09/01/13 09:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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To be fair it is possible to steam whole grains for 2 hours and succeed, at least when inoculated with a large amount of mycelium but possibly without as well. It's just a matter of what kind of success rate you're willing to tolerate. I think most cultivators would agree that consistently losing any amount of jars to contamination is unacceptable because in the long run, since grain costs money, it would be cheaper to buy a PC.
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Re: Bulk without a PC? [Re: Kizzle]
#18787481 - 09/01/13 10:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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No sir! I agree doing it yourself and doing it right the first time is the way to go. If a thing is worth doing, do it right.
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