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Re: Bitter blotter, clean acid [Re: Trippie]
    #18766620 - 08/27/13 11:45 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

HPBCD is bitter.  It could be that cooks have started putting it onto their blotters.


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Re: Bitter blotter, clean acid [Re: sonamdrukpa]
    #18767305 - 08/28/13 06:06 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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HPBCD is bitter.  It could be that cooks have started putting it onto their blotters.




Source?  I've read repeatedly that it's sweet and counters bitterness.


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Re: Bitter blotter, clean acid [Re: hexavibrongal]
    #18767526 - 08/28/13 08:14 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

If its a strong bitter taste its not lsd...if it doesn't kick in in about 25 minutes its not lsd. If you are tripping balls longer than 8 hours it is not lsd.

Another thing you have to be aware about prints is legality... if I have crystal why put it on a perfed print? So the cops can look at it and know what it is immediately? But if I have a shitload of NBOME, DOX, ect. I can safely lay on a perfed print depending on the legal status of the chemical.
If i have legit lsd crystal I'm gonna put it on white unperfed so if I get busted you just call it your note paper. This point was brought up by china cat, and the logic behind it is bullet proof.

I know there are many cases of white unperfed being bunk, but your best chance of getting legit l is on white unperf.IME

I will probably get flamed to no end for this post, as I have in the past for posts of this nature. Its just if your tabs taste like anything other than a slight 9v battery or tasteless all together....you don't have acid.


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Re: Bitter blotter, clean acid [Re: heratogwea]
    #18767957 - 08/28/13 10:45 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Well then explain the bitter taste of the Legit Hoffmans? And what is your definition of trippin balls? My visuals always last till about the 12 hour mark and I KNOW it's Legit. You can't expect every tab to kick in in 25 minutes, especially depending on how many mics. The first time I dropped tabs I swallowed em both on a semi-full stomach and took about an hour. Last week I dropped two more and kicked in in 25 minutes on empty stomach.


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Re: Bitter blotter, clean acid [Re: heratogwea]
    #18768060 - 08/28/13 11:35 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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heratogwea said:
If its a strong bitter taste its not lsd...if it doesn't kick in in about 25 minutes its not lsd. If you are tripping balls longer than 8 hours it is not lsd.

Another thing you have to be aware about prints is legality... if I have crystal why put it on a perfed print? So the cops can look at it and know what it is immediately? But if I have a shitload of NBOME, DOX, ect. I can safely lay on a perfed print depending on the legal status of the chemical.
If i have legit lsd crystal I'm gonna put it on white unperfed so if I get busted you just call it your note paper. This point was brought up by china cat, and the logic behind it is bullet proof.

I know there are many cases of white unperfed being bunk, but your best chance of getting legit l is on white unperf.IME

I will probably get flamed to no end for this post, as I have in the past for posts of this nature. Its just if your tabs taste like anything other than a slight 9v battery or tasteless all together....you don't have acid.




I only get unperf'd now.  You are right.  Its more stealth and print really doesn't prove shit. 

I used to get purple nebulas 4 years ago, which were strong and legit.  About 2 years ago, I found those nebulas again and purchased 6 sheets.  After receiving it, I tested it and it wasn't CID.  It was bitter and left a long lasting bitterness and numbness.  What I'm trying to say is anyone can get any blank blotter and put their RCs on them.  The print really doesn't prove shit anymore.


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Re: Bitter blotter, clean acid [Re: theRAPeutic]
    #18768129 - 08/28/13 11:55 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Well then explain the bitter taste of the Legit Hoffmans? And what is your definition of trippin balls? My visuals always last till about the 12 hour mark and I KNOW it's Legit. You can't expect every tab to kick in in 25 minutes, especially depending on how many mics. The first time I dropped tabs I swallowed em both on a semi-full stomach and took about an hour. Last week I dropped two more and kicked in in 25 minutes on empty stomach.




I'm sorry I should have rephrased that..on an empty stomach and blotter left in your mouth almost to the point of disolving you will feel something in 25 miniutes.. and strong effects lasting more than 12 hours is indicative of it not being acid or you eating over a ten strip.

Oh and I would love to see lab results on The hoffmans that are bitter but are "LEGIT". Last real hoffmans I had was back in 07 and they were white not green..and they tasted like paper.


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Re: Bitter blotter, clean acid [Re: FakePlasticSky]
    #18768155 - 08/28/13 12:05 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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heratogwea said:
If its a strong bitter taste its not lsd...if it doesn't kick in in about 25 minutes its not lsd. If you are tripping balls longer than 8 hours it is not lsd.

Another thing you have to be aware about prints is legality... if I have crystal why put it on a perfed print? So the cops can look at it and know what it is immediately? But if I have a shitload of NBOME, DOX, ect. I can safely lay on a perfed print depending on the legal status of the chemical.
If i have legit lsd crystal I'm gonna put it on white unperfed so if I get busted you just call it your note paper. This point was brought up by china cat, and the logic behind it is bullet proof.

I know there are many cases of white unperfed being bunk, but your best chance of getting legit l is on white unperf.IME

I will probably get flamed to no end for this post, as I have in the past for posts of this nature. Its just if your tabs taste like anything other than a slight 9v battery or tasteless all together....you don't have acid.




I only get unperf'd now.  You are right.  Its more stealth and print really doesn't prove shit. 

I used to get purple nebulas 4 years ago, which were strong and legit.  About 2 years ago, I found those nebulas again and purchased 6 sheets.  After receiving it, I tested it and it wasn't CID.  It was bitter and left a long lasting bitterness and numbness.  What I'm trying to say is anyone can get any blank blotter and put their RCs on them.  The print really doesn't prove shit anymore.




That sucks about the nebs man. I remember the dead bears back in 08-09. Beautiful. One of the best I ever had. Came around again a couple years ago...bitter pieces of shit.


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Re: Bitter blotter, clean acid [Re: FakePlasticSky]
    #18768161 - 08/28/13 12:06 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I used to get purple nebulas 4 years ago, which were strong and legit.  About 2 years ago, I found those nebulas again and purchased 6 sheets.  After receiving it, I tested it and it wasn't CID.  It was bitter and left a long lasting bitterness and numbness.  What I'm trying to say is anyone can get any blank blotter and put their RCs on them.  The print really doesn't prove shit anymore.




Interesting, I've always suspected that prints were an unreliable indicator of good LSD.  It's dramatically cheaper and easier for producers to buy RCs in bulk from places they're legal than to make real LSD, and so I figured there has to be people making RC fakes of LSD prints that have good reviews.  It is the black market after all.


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Re: Bitter blotter, clean acid [Re: heratogwea]
    #18768763 - 08/28/13 02:59 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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tahp93 said:
Well then explain the bitter taste of the Legit Hoffmans? And what is your definition of trippin balls? My visuals always last till about the 12 hour mark and I KNOW it's Legit. You can't expect every tab to kick in in 25 minutes, especially depending on how many mics. The first time I dropped tabs I swallowed em both on a semi-full stomach and took about an hour. Last week I dropped two more and kicked in in 25 minutes on empty stomach.




I'm sorry I should have rephrased that..on an empty stomach and blotter left in your mouth almost to the point of disolving you will feel something in 25 miniutes.. and strong effects lasting more than 12 hours is indicative of it not being acid or you eating over a ten strip.

Oh and I would love to see lab results on The hoffmans that are bitter but are "LEGIT". Last real hoffmans I had was back in 07 and they were white not green..and they tasted like paper.



when i ate a tenstrip it lasted exactly 12 hours. they were kinda weak, but it was still about the 500mic range. usually anything less than 250 mics and i feel normal after 8 hours (but its hard to tell how high you are on the come down sometimes.)


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Re: Bitter blotter, clean acid [Re: heratogwea]
    #18768788 - 08/28/13 03:09 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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if it doesn't kick in in about 25 minutes its not lsd. quote]
lol I might feel slight effects after 25 mins but it takes more like 60-90 for a trip to really get going good





also those hoffmans going around are known to be good clean acid


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Re: Bitter blotter, clean acid [Re: Sheekle]
    #18768815 - 08/28/13 03:17 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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if it doesn't kick in in about 25 minutes its not lsd. quote]
lol I might feel slight effects after 25 mins but it takes more like 60-90 for a trip to really get going good





also those hoffmans going around are known to be good clean acid





If its the same hoffs I had a couple years ago I would beg to differ. The effects were not that of lsd. No magic. No serendipity. Extremely bitter. Took 45min to one hour to reach threshold effects...this of course is all IME.


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Re: Bitter blotter, clean acid [Re: heratogwea]
    #18768933 - 08/28/13 03:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I would highly disagree with the idea that if you don't get effects after 25 minutes you've got bunk shit.

First off, the more of a drug you take the faster it kicks in.  I had one friend that took an eighth of shrooms and saw a clown in the mirror after only ~10 minutes, while me on (less of) the same stuff took about 3-4x longer.  Second, the amount of food in your stomach and a host of other variables can affect absorption.  Third, it consistently takes me 45 minutes for my shit to kick in on acid.

But just check out erowid's duration chart - they say onset takes anywhere from 20 to 60 minutes.

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sonamdrukpa said:
HPBCD is bitter.  It could be that cooks have started putting it onto their blotters.




Source?  I've read repeatedly that it's sweet and counters bitterness.




Yes, actually you are correct.


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Re: Bitter blotter, clean acid [Re: hexavibrongal]
    #18768957 - 08/28/13 03:50 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Here, some evidence straight from the highest authority:

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"One periodically hears some lecturer holding forth on the subject of psychedelic drugs, and you may hear him give voice to that old rubric that LSD is an odorless, colorless, and tasteless drug. Don't believe it. Odorless yes, and colorless when completely pure, yes, but tasteless, no. It is slightly bitter."
(page 21, PIHKAL)




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Re: Bitter blotter, clean acid [Re: sonamdrukpa]
    #18769300 - 08/28/13 04:54 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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sonamdrukpa said:
Here, some evidence straight from the highest authority:

Quote:

"One periodically hears some lecturer holding forth on the subject of psychedelic drugs, and you may hear him give voice to that old rubric that LSD is an odorless, colorless, and tasteless drug. Don't believe it. Odorless yes, and colorless when completely pure, yes, but tasteless, no. It is slightly bitter."
(page 21, PIHKAL)




Google book search link:
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Slightly bitter is a big jump from that paper that's being called "euro lsd". I've had tabs that almost made me dry heave and there are people here calling them legit.

Slightly bitter is not the same as bitter.


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Re: Bitter blotter, clean acid [Re: heratogwea]
    #18769442 - 08/28/13 05:27 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Bitterness is a subjective thing though.  Tastes in general don't really sync up well between people.  Methoxetamine, for instance, some people find unspeakably horrible tastin where as I don't find it unpleasant at all really.


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Re: Bitter blotter, clean acid [Re: sonamdrukpa]
    #18769557 - 08/28/13 05:52 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Bitterness is a subjective thing though.  Tastes in general don't really sync up well between people.  Methoxetamine, for instance, some people find unspeakably horrible tastin where as I don't find it unpleasant at all really.




That's a good point. Isn't there also a very high chance of a placebo effect seen as every single person is almost at the point of expecting bitterness before they drop. I mean, everyone is literally searching for any taste whatsoever, I imagine you'd find something eventually.


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Re: Bitter blotter, clean acid [Re: sonamdrukpa]
    #18769585 - 08/28/13 05:57 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I agree to an extent but believe there is a certain threshold of bitter that everyone would agree with.

Its an evolutionary trait. You are able to detect bitter tastes so you can spit said substance out before it kills you (not that everything that is bitter is toxic).

Being hardwired I don't see one person almost vomiting off of something and the other not detecting at all..but I'm getting off topic here.

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Re: Bitter blotter, clean acid [Re: heratogwea]
    #18769721 - 08/28/13 06:17 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

There's a difference between NBOMe bitter and ink bitter. Experience is the only way to tell the difference.

Usually, I spit out bitter tabs. Not worth the NBOMe risk. Hate that drug.


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Re: Bitter blotter, clean acid [Re: KingKnowledge]
    #18769882 - 08/28/13 06:51 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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There's a difference between NBOMe bitter and ink bitter. Experience is the only way to tell the difference.

Usually, I spit out bitter tabs. Not worth the NBOMe risk. Hate that drug.




Funny you mention that. I got nbombed jusy a few days ago. First put the tab in my mouth and tasted nothing. Couple minutes later a slight bitterness arouse and my whole tongue went numb :frown: kept it in my mouth anyway. I had never had it before.


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Re: Bitter blotter, clean acid [Re: heratogwea]
    #18769904 - 08/28/13 06:56 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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KingKnowledge said:
There's a difference between NBOMe bitter and ink bitter. Experience is the only way to tell the difference.

Usually, I spit out bitter tabs. Not worth the NBOMe risk. Hate that drug.




Funny you mention that. I got nbombed jusy a few days ago. First put the tab in my mouth and tasted nothing. Couple minutes later a slight bitterness arouse and my whole tongue went numb :frown: kept it in my mouth anyway. I had never had it before.





I feel your pain. Not a fan of RC's. Just pure Lucy.


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