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Poll The Importance of lighting
    #18768709 - 08/28/13 02:44 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

How important is the right lighting anyways

I have seen some say make it out to be just as important as anything else to almost of no importance

Here I will poll to determine the average opinion on lighting and its importance
Does perfect lighting improve growing time?
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Does the worst lighting slows growing time?
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Does the perfect lighting increase bulk
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Does the worst lighting decrease bulk?
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Does perfect lighting make mushrooms beautifull
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Does the worst lighting make mushrooms ugly?
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Does the perfect lighting make mushrooms more potent?
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Does the worst lighting make mushrooms less potent
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Votes accepted from (08/28/13 11:44 AM) to (No end specified)
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Re: The Importance of lighting [Re: R4V4N4]
    #18768757 - 08/28/13 02:57 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

how did i end up in contam forum? abort abort

I guess that I am now here I can ask... Does lighting have effect on contams?


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Re: The Importance of lighting [Re: R4V4N4] * 1
    #18769321 - 08/28/13 05:00 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Some molds have a harder time growing in the light but I doubt it would have a significant effect in prevent contamination.

The benefits of lighting varies between species but generally, yes lighting is important for normal growth.


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Re: The Importance of lighting [Re: Kizzle]
    #18769414 - 08/28/13 05:19 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

People all over the forums speak all kinds of vague terms that don't have much meaning.

Important for Normal Growth?

What is an abnormal growth vote the poll plz


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Re: The Importance of lighting [Re: R4V4N4]
    #18778727 - 08/30/13 06:42 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Light is important to mushrooms on two occasions.

1 - To start the pinning process.

2 - To set the direction where the fruitbody grows.

IMHO, people sometimes overthink lighting. I think, if the light is well placed and well distributed (pay attention to this particular issue when going bulk due to the surface area), any decent light bulb will suffice. Damn, I've done casings twice with christmas lights and it workd perfectly ... :tongue:

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Re: The Importance of lighting [Re: MAIA]
    #18780447 - 08/31/13 07:16 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Light is important to mushrooms on two occasions.

1 - To start the pinning process.

2 - To set the direction where the fruitbody grows.

IMHO, people sometimes overthink lighting. I think, if the light is well placed and well distributed (pay attention to this particular issue when going bulk due to the surface area), any decent light bulb will suffice. Damn, I've done casings twice with christmas lights and it workd perfectly ... :tongue:

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I'm fairly certain it does matter what kind of light bulb. They benifit the most from light in the 6500k range since it acts as natural sunlight.


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Re: The Importance of lighting [Re: MAIA]
    #18780998 - 08/31/13 11:28 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Light is important to mushrooms on two occasions.

1 - To start the pinning process.

2 - To set the direction where the fruitbody grows.






1 - No. Light is a secondary pinning trigger. Your cakes/bulk will fruit w/out it.
2 - No. Mushroom growth is orientated by gravity, which is why we don't flip cakes or bulk subs.

Now, light is important for this:

1 - circadian rhythm. Every living thing has it & while mushrooms do grow more during the dark cycle they need the rhythm.
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2. Mushroom energy. The mycelium network will take the light and use it for energy for growth.

3. Mushroom looks. Mushrooms with proper lighting have more developed caps &, overall look better.

OP - it's not a valid poll because there's not STAL option.


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Re: The Importance of lighting [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #18782212 - 08/31/13 05:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

By normal growth I mean the kind of growth the mushroom would have in it's natural habitat. The most noticeable difference in Cubensis getting insufficient light is underdeveloped caps.

The caps will sometimes orient themselves to direction of the light somewhat but just to be clear you have can light coming from any direction and it won't have any kind of significant effect on the way they grow as they're getting enough light altogether.


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Re: The Importance of lighting [Re: Kizzle]
    #18782228 - 08/31/13 05:52 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I just did a G2G for some friends last week.
We put the jars in a closet and the 4 exposed to indirect 6500K light are way more colonized than the other 4.

Light is beneficial to mycelium at all stages of growth.
As RR put it, "What part of a cow patty in a field doesn't get light?"


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Re: The Importance of lighting [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #18794528 - 09/03/13 02:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Light is important to mushrooms on two occasions.

1 - To start the pinning process.

2 - To set the direction where the fruitbody grows.






1 - No. Light is a secondary pinning trigger. Your cakes/bulk will fruit w/out it.
2 - No. Mushroom growth is orientated by gravity, which is why we don't flip cakes or bulk subs.





Over-analyzing again ?

1 -

"Mushroom species requiring light for primordia formation are said to be photosensitive...Psilocybe cubensis is such a photosensitive species. ...more pinheads are initiated upon exposure to blue and ultra-violet light with distinct peaks at 370, 440 and 460 nanometers. Badham "(And essay by E.R. Badham in 1979)" showed that light stimulation at these wavelengths for as little as half a millisecond per day caused primordia to form. I contrast, red, infra-red and green light having wavelengths greater that 510 nanometers were ineffective."

"THE MUSHROOM CULTIVATOR", By Paul Stamets

Although you may say Stamets is outdated in some aspects but in this particular case he isn't. The fact is all you need is a flash of light to induce primordia formation which leads to pinning. I never said it was a primary or secondary or a Tertiary pinning trigger. More important than light are co2 levels but nevertheless light has its importance.

2 -

Ps Cubensis has both a gravitropic and a phototropic response. In fact there are zones in the fruitbody, like the apex of the stem (Gruen - 1991), that are more influenced by gravity. That doesn't mean light doesn't affect direction when growing. They are more influenced by gravity as they mature, that's sure. Of course, if you grow in the dark, they would rely on the gravitropic mechanism. But saying that light does't affect direction is non-sense.

Look, it's good to know some particularities when growing but you seem to over-think it and deal with absolutes very rapidly. In a sense, neither of us are wrong. Deal with this first. If you can't agree, please show me scientific references, as I showed you.


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Re: The Importance of lighting [Re: MAIA]
    #18794540 - 09/03/13 02:11 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

everybody knows where i stand on the issue.


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Re: The Importance of lighting [Re: anne halonium]
    #18794983 - 09/03/13 03:56 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Poll The Importance of lighting (moved) [Re: R4V4N4]
    #18795998 - 09/03/13 07:35 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

This thread was moved from Contamination Forum.

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Re: Poll The Importance of lighting (moved) [Re: R4V4N4]
    #18796009 - 09/03/13 07:38 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Poll The Importance of lighting (moved) [Re: FooMan]
    #18796039 - 09/03/13 07:44 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

You have to remember outdoors, even on a cloudy day, there is ~ 2K foot candles of light per ft^2 - so even partial shade has pretty powerful light (in relation to supplemental artificial light).


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Re: Poll The Importance of lighting (moved) [Re: mycomattie]
    #18796330 - 09/03/13 08:43 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Light is not a serious pinning trigger for Cubes.
They can be grown in the dark.
But if you do they will end up thin, curly and with caps barely larger than their pin stage.
In proper lighting they grow straighter, thick and produce normal size caps.

The current debate is not whether light is good (it is) but what *color* light is best.


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Re: The Importance of lighting [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #18801215 - 09/04/13 09:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

You can view by not voting on subject and click vote or clicking the link at the bottom

I was saying the other day i could paint my bulbs blue. Dude looked at me like i was crazy.

I thought i was confused by learning about blue spectrum and thought it just meant blue lights not 5k kelven +


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Re: The Importance of lighting [Re: MAIA]
    #18801519 - 09/04/13 11:05 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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"Mushroom species requiring light for primordia formation are said to be photosensitive...Psilocybe cubensis is such a photosensitive species. ...more pinheads are initiated upon exposure to blue and ultra-violet light with distinct peaks at 370, 440 and 460 nanometers. Badham "(And essay by E.R. Badham in 1979)" showed that light stimulation at these wavelengths for as little as half a millisecond per day caused primordia to form. I contrast, red, infra-red and green light having wavelengths greater that 510 nanometers were ineffective."

"THE MUSHROOM CULTIVATOR", By Paul Stamets

Although you may say Stamets is outdated in some aspects but in this particular case he isn't. The fact is all you need is a flash of light to induce primordia formation which leads to pinning. I never said it was a primary or secondary or a Tertiary pinning trigger. More important than light are co2 levels but nevertheless light has its importance.




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For the record, the whole blue light nonsense came into being 30 years ago when TMC was being written.  A cubensis grow was being conducted in total darkness, except for taking a photograph once a day.  The substrate pinned, therefore it was (incorrectly) deduced that 430 nm or whatever the 35mm camera flash projected for a millisecond or two is what triggered the fruiting.  We now know that cubensis pins and fruits in total darkness, even if poorly.

Best pinning and growth performance will come from a normal day/night schedule with lights in the 5000K to 7000K range, or a bright window.  Above and below that they'll still work, but performance isn't at its peak.  Light is far more important after pinning, since mushrooms will grow far larger and heavier in the presence of bright 'daylight' spectrum lighting.




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Re: Poll The Importance of lighting (moved) [Re: StygianKnight]
    #18801578 - 09/04/13 11:27 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Light is not a serious pinning trigger for Cubes.
They can be grown in the dark.
But if you do they will end up thin, curly and with caps barely larger than their pin stage.
In proper lighting they grow straighter, thick and produce normal size caps.





I agree..
This mono I did suffered quite a bit due too a severe lack of light (also poor fae).
But I began giving more light during the second flush, and so on..


first..

second..

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forth..

fifth.. outside haha.. 


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Re: Poll The Importance of lighting (moved) [Re: TheStormsEye]
    #18825435 - 09/10/13 09:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

IME, plain daylight is best, but not always an option. I think we tend to fuss over them more than we need to in general.


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