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Kratom may be taken off narcotics list.
    #18769390 - 08/28/13 05:12 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Kratom-may-be-taken-off-narcotics-list-30213650.html


Justice minister pushes for legalisation of the herb, citing medicinal properties
The Office of the Narcotics Control Board (ONCB) is responding positively to the proposed legalisation of kratom (Mitragyna speciosa), which is currently on the narcotics list.

The ONCB will be meeting with the Food and Drug Administration, the Public Health Ministry and the National Police Office next week to discuss whether kratom should be removed from the list.

Available records show that Thailand is the only country that describes kratom as a narcotic.

"We will listen to the opinions of all relevant parties," ONCB secretary-general Pongsapat Pongcharoen said yesterday.

Justice Minister Chaikasem Nitisiri, who is pushing for the legalisation, said he grew up in Bangkok's Thon Buri area where kratom was grown and used, and he had never encountered anybody going into a drug-crazed stupor from its consumption.

"In fact, kratom was used as a traditional medicine in the past," he said, adding that he did not wish to promote the use of kratom, but believed it may distract people from using harmful drugs like methamphetamine or crystal-meth.

"Caffeine in coffee and energy drinks is also more addictive than kratom," he added.

Meanwhile, Dr Anek Yomchinda, chief of the Central Institute of Forensic Science, admitted that preliminary
studies
showed that kratom did indeed have medicinal properties.

"In New Zealand, it is a component in the production of painkillers and antibiotics," he said.

A Senate-appointed committee, tasked with studying the pros and cons of kratom use, has found that the plant contains mitragynine, which serves as an analgesic. While its pain-easing effect is about 10 times weaker than morphine, it does not have an adverse effect on the respiratory system nor does it cause nausea, the committee said. There are also no records to show that kratom consumption might be behind crimes.

The study suggests that relevant authorities decided to ban kratom in 1943 because they could not collect tax on it like they did on opium consumption.

The committee also pointed out that if kratom were to be legalised now, it could deliver economic benefits to Thailand, where it is an indigenous plant.

"It can be used in the production of several medicines, and can also cut down on Thailand's dependence on imported morphine," the panel said.

A survey shows Satun province had the highest number of kratom trees. Also, truck drivers and labourers widely consume kratom leaves because it keeps them alert. In addition, kratom is cheaper than coffee and energy drinks costing between Bt1 and Bt3 per leaf.


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Re: Kratom may be taken off narcotics list. [Re: p14y80y]
    #18769428 - 08/28/13 05:23 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Lol... we can't tax it so prohibit it.... I love governmental logic.


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Re: Kratom may be taken off narcotics list. [Re: meatables]
    #18769746 - 08/28/13 06:21 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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but believed it may distract people from using harmful drugs like methamphetamine or crystal-meth.





maybe im wrong, but arnt those the same thing??


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Re: Kratom may be taken off narcotics list. [Re: hidenseek1]
    #18769857 - 08/28/13 06:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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hidenseek1 said:
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but believed it may distract people from using harmful drugs like methamphetamine or crystal-meth.





maybe im wrong, but arnt those the same thing??




Neither politicians nor journalists have ever been accused of having any knowledge of the subjects they report on or make decisions about.


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Re: Kratom may be taken off narcotics list. [Re: dokunai]
    #18769917 - 08/28/13 06:58 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

umm... im all for kratom. ive been an active user for 2 years now, but there is one thing they are def wrong about.

kratom can cause nausea...


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Re: Kratom may be taken off narcotics list. [Re: current]
    #18770326 - 08/28/13 08:21 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I don't really agree that kratom is not more addictive than coffee. It depends on the person. I personally find kratom to have a lot more addictive potential than coffee. It is certainly possible to develop a physical dependence to kratom just like any opiate


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Re: Kratom may be taken off narcotics list. [Re: morrowasted]
    #18770355 - 08/28/13 08:26 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

agreed, but its not a dangerous addiction. you will not lose your job to this addiction. you will not steal from family, friends, or strangers due to this addiction. you will not be sent to rehab due to kratom addiction.


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Re: Kratom may be taken off narcotics list. [Re: dokunai]
    #18770885 - 08/28/13 10:00 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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dokunai said:
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hidenseek1 said:
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but believed it may distract people from using harmful drugs like methamphetamine or crystal-meth.





maybe im wrong, but arnt those the same thing??




Neither politicians nor journalists have ever been accused of having any knowledge of the subjects they report on or make decisions about, except for Hunter S. Thompson.



There ya go, fixed that for ya.


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Re: Kratom may be taken off narcotics list. [Re: morrowasted]
    #18771240 - 08/28/13 11:31 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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morrowasted said:
I don't really agree that kratom is not more addictive than coffee. It depends on the person. I personally find kratom to have a lot more addictive potential than coffee. It is certainly possible to develop a physical dependence to kratom just like any opiate





I agree that it depends on the person. I'd say it also depends on what the person is using it for, as in using it for something just to catch a buzz on, or using a fixed amount specifically as medicine. I think those two different approaches to it make a difference.


That said, it's pretty benign in my experience, I had a more difficult time giving up coffee than I do kratom after a couple months of 5g to 12g a day (and I love opiates). When I do take breaks, sure I'd like to have a scoop of it, the stuff makes me feel great, but it's easy to go with out for a week or two when needed.


Just like cannabis, and many of the medicinal plants, kratom has a broad spectrum of alkaloids with various mechanisms of action that tends to potentiate as well as balance things out...Which I'd say keeps the potential for physical addiction, tolerance, and withdrawal down & somewhat in check. 7-hydroxymitragynine is the only full agonists I believe and has the shortest half life, the rest of the alkaloids with opioid agonist properties are partial agonists. Mitraphyline is an nmda antagonist. Corynantheidine is an opioid antagonists and has a considerably longer half life than the opioid agonists in there.  Corynantheidine is usually found at a ratio in which it doesn't do much in relatively low doses, but will start to block opioid activity in higher doses. This causes kratom to have what I think I've heard some people call a "ceiling" effect in the dosage response. So taking more past a certain point won't necessarily get you any more intense effects...and will actually bring out more un-wanted dysphoric side effects, headaches, dizziness, nausea, etc...I think all of these things kind of prevent heavy doses, over dosing, and/or prolonged "abuse" of kratom.



Like everything, people should keep things in moderation :shrug: . Plain leaf instead of extracts/isolates, occasional breaks, and if using daily/regularly keeping the doses consistent is key.

The feels good, nice balanced sense of well being aspect aside...the stuff seems to have a shat load of anti-oxidants, anti-diabetic properties, anti-cancer properties (like cannabis), the list goes on and on....all sorts of goodness up in that leaf.






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Re: Kratom may be taken off narcotics list. [Re: dokunai]
    #18776344 - 08/30/13 07:45 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

HM afaik and I am no expert but there are a lot of names for: ie ice crank meth etc. I think crystal is comparable as to what crack might be to coke. Probably best if we don't know, exactly ;-)


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Re: Kratom may be taken off narcotics list. [Re: jtronique]
    #18776350 - 08/30/13 07:47 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Not that I am saying "we shouldn't know" unless it's good for harm reduction. Just wanted to clarify that.


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Re: Kratom may be taken off narcotics list. [Re: jtronique]
    #18776361 - 08/30/13 07:52 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:thefuckisthis:


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Re: Kratom may be taken off narcotics list. [Re: jtronique]
    #18776375 - 08/30/13 07:58 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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jtronique said:
HM afaik and I am no expert but there are a lot of names for: ie ice crank meth etc. I think crystal is comparable as to what crack might be to coke. Probably best if we don't know, exactly ;-)




crack is the freebase form of coke

while meth is already in freebase form when is in ("crystal") salt form

edit: akaik, the only differernce between methamphetamine and crystal meth is that

meth comes in regulated 5mg oral pills

well street meth can be taken howmuch/however

one could easily be substituted for the other

ie: abusing pills, or measuring out crystal for oral consumption


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Re: Kratom may be taken off narcotics list. [Re: hidenseek1]
    #18776394 - 08/30/13 08:06 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

did i miss something? what does this have to do with kratom?


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Re: Kratom may be taken off narcotics list. [Re: p14y80y]
    #18776409 - 08/30/13 08:10 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Kratom-may-be-taken-off-narcotics-list-30213650.html




"In fact, kratom was used as a traditional medicine in the past," he said, adding that he did not wish to promote the use of kratom, but believed it may distract people from using harmful drugs like methamphetamine or crystal-meth.






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Re: Kratom may be taken off narcotics list. [Re: hidenseek1]
    #18776412 - 08/30/13 08:12 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

oooooooooooh... isnt that the same thing?


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Re: Kratom may be taken off narcotics list. [Re: current]
    #18776549 - 08/30/13 09:00 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:notsureif:


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Re: Kratom may be taken off narcotics list. [Re: hidenseek1]
    #18776873 - 08/30/13 11:01 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

i wish theyd just leave kratom alone.. its harmless anyways.


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Re: Kratom may be taken off narcotics list. [Re: tripp23]
    #18776944 - 08/30/13 11:18 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

its headed back in the right direction.

if i wasnt broke id order some more kratom along with some kava.


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