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Re: Why do fantasy movies always use British accents? [Re: Enlil]
    #18768720 - 08/28/13 02:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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If they were in old English, you wouldn't understand any of it.



I remember reading Canterbury Tales in Old English in high school :lol:
That would be terrible for movies.
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Clash of the Titans ALSO happens to be one of the worst acted, written, and filmed movies of all time. OF ALL TIME.



You're complete wrong about that.  I loved that movie when I was a kid.  Bubo was awesome and Burgess Meredith rocked



I was referring to the remake.


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Re: Why do fantasy movies always use British accents? [Re: Does]
    #18768725 - 08/28/13 02:49 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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If they were in old English, you wouldn't understand any of it.




It can be subtitled.  Or if we're making the leap to put it in English, why always to British?

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maybe becuz mainstream associates that voice with medieval times and swords and things of that nature plus its exotic




It's only exotic to non-British people.  And if mainstream society associates medieval times with modern British accents then that's stupid.  And very likely perpetuated by the fact that medieval times are always depicted with British accents by the media in the first place.

And whether a movie is good or bad doesn't have any relevance to this thread.
I still can't wrap my head around Ancient Roman characters speaking with modern British accents.  That is fucking retarded.


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Re: Why do fantasy movies always use British accents? [Re: mushroom_sandwich]
    #18768733 - 08/28/13 02:51 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I remember reading Canterbury Tales in Old English in high school


Canterbury Tales isn't Old English....it's Middle English.  Old English is much worse.  Try reading Beowulf.
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I was referring to the remake.



Why remake a perfect movie?  More importantly, why watch a remake of a perfect movie when you can watch the original?


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Re: Why do fantasy movies always use British accents? [Re: Enlil]
    #18768740 - 08/28/13 02:53 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I remember reading Canterbury Tales in Old English in high school


Canterbury Tales isn't Old English....it's Middle English.  Old English is much worse.  Try reading Beowulf.
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I was referring to the remake.



Why remake a perfect movie?  More importantly, why watch a remake of a perfect movie when you can watch the original?



You're right, it's Beowulf that's in Old English. Which I also read.

and I love the original, I saw the remake because I'm a.. bad person? At least I hated it.


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Re: Why do fantasy movies always use British accents? [Re: Enlil]
    #18768741 - 08/28/13 02:53 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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If they were in old English, you wouldn't understand any of it.




Yep, it might as well be in German. It would be just as incomprehensible to modern English speakers. I think a lot of people are mixed up about what Old English actually is.


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Re: Why do fantasy movies always use British accents? [Re: mushroom_sandwich] * 2
    #18768746 - 08/28/13 02:54 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm a.. bad person?



CORRECT!  At least we're getting somewhere.


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Re: Why do fantasy movies always use British accents? [Re: mushroom_sandwich]
    #18768752 - 08/28/13 02:56 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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You're right, it's Beowulf that's in Old English. Which I also read.




You probably read a translation. The original text looks like this:

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    Hwæt! We Gardena        in geardagum,
    þeodcyninga,        þrym gefrunon,
    hu ða æþelingas        ellen fremedon.
    Oft Scyld Scefing        sceaþena þreatum,

    monegum mægþum,        meodosetla ofteah,
    egsode eorlas.        Syððan ærest wearð
    feasceaft funden,        he þæs frofre gebad,
    weox under wolcnum,        weorðmyndum þah,
    oðþæt him æghwylc        þara ymbsittendra

    ofer hronrade        hyran scolde,
    gomban gyldan.        þæt wæs god cyning!
    Ðæm eafera wæs        æfter cenned,
    geong in geardum,        þone god sende
    folce to frofre;        fyrenðearfe ongeat




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Re: Why do fantasy movies always use British accents? [Re: Enlil]
    #18768753 - 08/28/13 02:56 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Fantasy movies are always in British because England has many castles which is needed for fantasy. Also, most fantasy books seem to be in medieval times and America hadn't been discovered yet. The the target audience is America, therefore requiring the film to be in English. the UK fits all the criteria necessary


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Re: Why do fantasy movies always use British accents? [Re: Patlal]
    #18768759 - 08/28/13 02:58 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

boom?


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Re: Why do fantasy movies always use British accents? [Re: Patlal]
    #18768782 - 08/28/13 03:07 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Fantasy movies are always in British because England has many castles which is needed for fantasy. Also, most fantasy books seem to be in medieval times and America hadn't been discovered yet. The the target audience is America, therefore requiring the film to be in English. the UK fits all the criteria necessary




I don't remember seeing any castles in Gladiator and 300.
And castles aren't needed for fantasy unless you only stay within Tolkien-esque fantasy.
Not to mention the type of English spoken in the time periods depicted is dramatically different and doesn't sound like British or American English.


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Re: Why do fantasy movies always use British accents? [Re: abltsandwich]
    #18768789 - 08/28/13 03:09 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Well, those movies ARE fictional...so, why do you expect them to have a realistic accent?


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Re: Why do fantasy movies always use British accents? [Re: Enlil]
    #18768794 - 08/28/13 03:10 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I don't.  I'm just wondering why British accent of all accents?  Neither is historically accurate so if we're making the logical jump that they should be speaking modern English, then why British?


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Re: Why do fantasy movies always use British accents? [Re: abltsandwich]
    #18768799 - 08/28/13 03:13 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Because American chicks find British accents to be sexy.


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Re: Why do fantasy movies always use British accents? [Re: abltsandwich]
    #18768803 - 08/28/13 03:13 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I could just imagine a redneck avatar.


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Re: Why do fantasy movies always use British accents? [Re: Inconspicuous]
    #18768811 - 08/28/13 03:16 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

We really need a James Bond that sounds like Woody Allen.


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Re: Why do fantasy movies always use British accents? [Re: Enlil]
    #18768813 - 08/28/13 03:16 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Or perhaps Kai the (allegedly) murdering hitchhiker should play Gandalf.


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Re: Why do fantasy movies always use British accents? [Re: abltsandwich]
    #18768827 - 08/28/13 03:19 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Why not use a different language with subtitles of appropriate aesthetic is the goal?



Subtitles have much less mass appeal, I think that is pretty obvious. It achieves the desired flavor without requiring subtitles. Not to mention a lot of the stuff you brought up was written by English authors.


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Re: Why do fantasy movies always use British accents? [Re: jewunit]
    #18768934 - 08/28/13 03:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

because british actors need the work, and it fits better.


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Re: Why do fantasy movies always use British accents? [Re: abltsandwich] * 1
    #18769064 - 08/28/13 04:06 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I already gave you your answer.

Let me try again.

Brits speak differently than Americans. Their dialects do not just determine the region they are from but also their social class. Certain dialects are taught to children in expensive schools. Other dialects like Cockney, serve as a way for lower class people to annoy the hell out of the upper class by speaking improperly. There are even middle class dialects. And different sounds for North, South, city, country and town to town. Then there are the Irish, Scotish and Welsh.

When we are talking about epic stories, there are usually a ton of characters. The dialects help an audience keep track of who is who. A king should not sound the same as a commoner.

America is too new. Yes we have regional dialects, but they are not as organic as English dialects, which developed over hundreds/thousands of years, before the dawn of modern transportation, radio and television. The most extreme differences in American dialects are along the East coast, as they are the oldest States and had the most time to evolve their own dialects. By the time we started expanding westward, technology was speeding things along. When you can drive from state to state, you will sound more like your neighbors.

So American dialects are not as effective in classical cases. Also, there was no America in classical times, so people may just think the dialect sounds too new. If Ned spoke in a Jersey dialect, it would be extra weird.

Compare the country Scottish dialect of Ygritte, "You know nothing John Snow."
With the heightened Lannisters, "A Lannister always pays his debts."

Dialect really helps inform the audience about character.

Welsh, a soft and frankly timid sounding dialect is a great choice for informing the audience about the nature of Hobbits and it contrasts beautifully with the regal high elves.

This is why we focus on British dialects in epic and historic tales. Yes, it is a dramatic convention... and so is speaking English in the first place in many of these tales. I mean they probably should have spoken Latin in Gladiator.


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Re: Why do fantasy movies always use British accents? [Re: Rose]
    #18769083 - 08/28/13 04:11 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

you pretty much put it perfectly Cervantes.


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