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amanita persicina i.d. please
    #18768291 - 08/28/13 12:43 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

theses were found under very young pine trees. no more than 8 to 10 ft tall. cap is an orange, lightly fading to a yellow on the bigger of the two. veil is very fragile and they both looked to have the concentric rings on the bottom of the stipe but once I got them home and inspected them again, they were either gone or not there in the first place. but I think I see them in the pics I took out in the field this morning. veil remnants are yellow on the cap. im sorry if I left anything out...this is my first amanita i.d. attempt. thank you for the help.

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Re: amanita persicina i.d. please [Re: art2312]
    #18768320 - 08/28/13 12:52 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

i would say yes.


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Re: amanita persicina i.d. please [Re: mahniti]
    #18768345 - 08/28/13 12:58 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I have a feeling they are, felt like I had a small heart attack when I saw the first one sitting there :smile:. (a good heart attack though, if there is such a thing)  I did a lot of homework on this specific mushroom so I am pretty sure. but "pretty sure" is definitely not good enough lol.


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Re: amanita persicina i.d. please [Re: art2312]
    #18768359 - 08/28/13 01:00 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I would say yes :cool:

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Re: amanita persicina i.d. please [Re: Xiliad]
    #18768385 - 08/28/13 01:06 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

what gives these away the most to you guys? like the identifying factor that puts it over the edge?


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Re: amanita persicina i.d. please [Re: art2312]
    #18768392 - 08/28/13 01:08 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I think you're suppose to look for the concentric rings around the base of the stem. other than that i don't think there's anything else that really looks like these, they're pretty distinctive mushrooms


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Re: amanita persicina i.d. please [Re: mahniti]
    #18768400 - 08/28/13 01:12 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

for me color is most important for amanitas.


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Re: amanita persicina i.d. please [Re: Xiliad]
    #18768411 - 08/28/13 01:15 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

that's pretty much what I thought, bu I don't have any personal experience with these. and I have learned that pictures don't always help all that much when trying to I.D. them. and I thought I say three concentric rings on the small one but wasn't sure about the other one just because of the concentric rings at the base ( or lack thereof ). like I said, these are my first finds so im just trying to soak everything in in person instead of trying to read it. seems like wen I read something, its gone 10 mins later, but if I do or feel or see something myself it sticks with me....


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Re: amanita persicina i.d. please [Re: art2312]
    #18768423 - 08/28/13 01:17 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I have read color isn't always a good identifying factor.... maybe that's not true for the persicina because of the distinctiveness of it??


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Re: amanita persicina i.d. please [Re: art2312]
    #18768447 - 08/28/13 01:23 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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art2312 said:
I have read color isn't always a good identifying factor.... maybe that's not true for the persicina because of the distinctiveness of it??





that's not necessarily true, color and texture can be the best and most obvious identifying factors.

some species will vary alot in color from specimen to specimen, but a red mushroom usually won't appear blue and a green mushroom won't appear purple :tongue:

I believe Amanita persicina is almost always that peachish-red color.


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Re: amanita persicina i.d. please [Re: Xiliad]
    #18768475 - 08/28/13 01:31 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

this is very true...matter of fact, the reason I saw the first one was the color at first. that orange cap against the brown pine needles seems to just SCREAM at me when I am walking by. thanks for the input...going to wait for a T.I. that im hopeing will chime in and also hashfinger too...I wanted to ask him a couple things before I get started doing anything. thank you again...very helpful as always! and nice finds on the weilii also xiliad! I started looking for those tis morning until I stumbled upon these :smile:....not sure ill ever find the weilii tho


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Re: amanita persicina i.d. please [Re: art2312]
    #18768668 - 08/28/13 02:28 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

im drying them right now... in the oven, 190-195
door cracked open. its been 20 mins. 1 cap is about 2in and think and the other is about 4in and open, a little more thin. the first cap is still giving out a yellow liquid and the other, thinner on is not but neither is cracker dry at all... should I take them out or leave them in longer???


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Re: amanita persicina i.d. please [Re: art2312]
    #18768716 - 08/28/13 02:46 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

You're cooking them, not drying them.  A regular oven can't really get low enough...  See how low you can get it, and don't stress if it takes 2-3 days to get cracker dry. 

If it's nice and sunny where you are, a rack in the open sun works okay, bring them in at night to avoid dew.  Here in the pnw I use my oven as a chamber, with a ceramic reptile heat bulb, sm fan and temp probe, btw 110 - 120.

Oh, and slicing them no thicker than .5" helps, also.


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Re: amanita persicina i.d. please [Re: fry day]
    #18768777 - 08/28/13 03:04 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

fry day, thank you. its really cloudy here now that you said that lol... but thank you. it sounds like you have experience with some sort of muscaria? how do you dose it? I heard low is good and build a sort of tolerance so the side effects don't hit you like some bricks... I still don't wanna do anything with them until I get a 100% for sure I.D. on them anyways...plus its hot here still so I got nothing but time  :fishing:


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Re: amanita persicina i.d. please [Re: art2312]
    #18768816 - 08/28/13 03:17 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

and also, I thought I read you need to heat it to 190ish for the conversion from ibotenic acid to muscimol to occur?


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Re: amanita persicina i.d. please [Re: art2312]
    #18768866 - 08/28/13 03:29 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Not much of a consumer...  I dry a lot of things.  You are correct on the 190 to convert the ibotenic acid, but I think it makes more sense do that in a separate step right before you consume.  So, tea or some shreds in your scrambled or whatever...  I suppose you could rehydrate them first but I haven't bothered.  Sunlight is also supposed to do the conversion, but who knows how much?

Cooked mushrooms will not keep anywhere near as well as dried ones.  ;-)

Now that you've done this, probably best to freeze them...  There are plenty more so don't stress.

I have some dried/vac packed from a huge beautiful flush back in '10 I've been cautiously nibbling and tea-ing lately.  Nothing...  Well, perhaps the slightest tinge of horniness and a bit sleepy maybe.  They may be too old or I may be too cautious or both.  The tonic aspect intrigues me, but every trip report I've read sounds much too brutal.  Rockefeller was saying a fresh med cap in a scramble is nice, when we get some moisture here I may try that.


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Re: amanita persicina i.d. please [Re: fry day]
    #18768914 - 08/28/13 03:43 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

you think maybe I can finish drying them and then grind into powder and save it that way? I also heard some ginger will help a whole lot with the nausea.... maybe some warm citrus tea with ginger could work well? and this is my first time collecting these, so I came with low expectations for consuming. I really just wanted to get the feel of everything so when it comes time to really do some drying and prepping I wont be overwhelmed with it all.


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Re: amanita persicina i.d. please [Re: art2312]
    #18769088 - 08/28/13 04:11 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Nice finds! They look like the persicina to me.


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Re: amanita persicina i.d. please [Re: DCart]
    #18769167 - 08/28/13 04:26 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

you think maybe I can finish drying them and then grind into powder and save it that way? I also heard some ginger will help a whole lot with the nausea.... maybe some warm citrus tea with ginger could work well?




Give it a try and let us know.  ;-)

Oh, but, any grinding should be done just prior to consumption.  This pretty much goes for any foodstuff...  Save it in the biggest chunks possible to cut down on oxidation.


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"The initial quake was a 6.6 but fairly shallow. I felt it as a prolonged up and down vibration followed by a jolt forward and then to the left, like square dancing."


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Re: amanita persicina i.d. please [Re: DCart]
    #18769184 - 08/28/13 04:30 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

yessir! thanks...definitely found a persicina spot when it gets cooler! cant wait...no weilii again tho... I don't know if I should think they are not here yet? my city is like 300 ft lower alt than Atlanta area also...or maybe I just don't know what to look for yet. nonetheless im super happy about the persicina this morning.


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Re: amanita persicina i.d. please [Re: art2312]
    #18769193 - 08/28/13 04:33 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

From the frequency I've seen muscaria photos on here, they seem to be quite common everywhere.


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Re: amanita persicina i.d. please [Re: fry day]
    #18769200 - 08/28/13 04:35 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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fry day said:
Quote:

you think maybe I can finish drying them and then grind into powder and save it that way? I also heard some ginger will help a whole lot with the nausea.... maybe some warm citrus tea with ginger could work well?




Give it a try and let us know.  ;-)

Oh, but, any grinding should be done just prior to consumption.  This pretty much goes for any foodstuff...  Save it in the biggest chunks possible to cut down on oxidation.





so I couldn't grind it all up to powder and save it that way? im reading a BUNCH of different things everywhere I look...I cant seem to find a lot of straight forward answers on the internet about amanita


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Re: amanita persicina i.d. please [Re: art2312]
    #18769382 - 08/28/13 05:11 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

m just trying to soak everything in in person instead of trying to read it.



That's the best way to do it i think. No amount of looking at pics can be of the same value as actually seeing something in person. Once you've seen something for a real a few times after ID'ing it for the first time (or either way) you kind of just 'know' what it is. There are lots of subtleties that you pick up subconsciously.


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Re: amanita persicina i.d. please [Re: Untitled]
    #18769678 - 08/28/13 06:10 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

for sure...I wish I knew of some sort of hunting club or a guide of some sort to learn from around here...don't think there is tho


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Re: amanita persicina i.d. please [Re: art2312]
    #18770291 - 08/28/13 08:13 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

http://www.gamushroomclub.org/

Search Engines.  Use Them.


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Re: amanita persicina i.d. please [Re: fry day]
    #18770537 - 08/28/13 09:01 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Damn...don't i feel a little dumb now... i must have completely overlooked that somehow ... i have searched before...just so concentrated on finding info on the mushroom guess i missed the mushroom club... thank you by the way...i should probably Google a question before i post it on here next time..sorry


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Re: amanita persicina i.d. please [Re: art2312]
    #18771028 - 08/28/13 10:27 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

'scool.  :rasta:


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Re: amanita persicina i.d. please [Re: fry day]
    #18777352 - 08/30/13 01:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Hey, just wannathank you guys for the help the other day. I tried them last night....holy freakin hell! Amazing, wonderful,  exciting experience. Can't wait to load up on these wonderful mushrooms. Thanks again everyone!!


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