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Re: The world will now interfere in Syria [Re: current]
#18768262 - 08/28/13 12:34 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: The world will now interfere in Syria [Re: Patlal]
#18768263 - 08/28/13 12:34 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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One year to the day of obamas "red line" speech the chemical attacks happened.
It was obviously the rebels who gassed those people. Backed by the US government.
Unbelievable. They are just begging to get us into another world war.
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Re: The world will now interfere in Syria [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#18768267 - 08/28/13 12:35 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: The world will now interfere in Syria [Re: KremrBigSikter]
#18768274 - 08/28/13 12:37 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: The world will now interfere in Syria [Re: qman]
#18768437 - 08/28/13 01:21 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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BlindSophist said: I would have supported the Iraq invasion if it was better timed. It should have come sooner; hell, G. H. W. Bush should have ousted Saddam in 1991. Yes, I think we should jump right in and fight. Stability in the middle east is crucial to US economic and diplomatic interests and it is only consistent with our values as a nation to defend liberty and democracy against tyrants.
It truly saddens me to hear this sort of rhetoric from you, BlindSophist... because it's the sort generally reserved for tea-party conservatives. I really expected better from you than to parrot the same lame justifications for war the media's been giving since god knows how long. There will be no defense of liberty and democracy. The only thing that we'll bring is a different color uniform and better weapons to massacre people with.
I don't think the US media has been pushing for war in Syria at all. There is very little financial incentive for the US to go to war with Syria and it would be prosecuted on mainly ethical grounds. Say what you will, if Assad had been ousted by a western coalition during or shortly after his initial reprisals, the transition to a new leadership could have been relatively straightforward, especially with the lessons of Iraq fresh in our memory. However, those reprisals have whittled the population of the country down to loyalists and guerilla fighters while attracting extremists. A similar process occurred in Saddam Hussein's Iraq, with the opposition movements growing increasingly radicalized by the increasingly entrenched Ba'ath party, and by the time we invaded (so many years after Saddam's many massacres of his own people) the battle lines were already drawn and the groups already girded for civil war.
I speak from the position of a compromise between pragmatism and idealism. I don't like to think of myself as a hawk but in the immediate wake of Assad's reprisals I was disturbed to see that our wars are waged entirely at the convenience of war profiteers. If/when we invade Syria I'm sure it will be at least as much of a bloody quagmire as Iraq, and for the same reason-- that we invaded not for principle but for political convenience. The war profiteers and their political lapdogs will always hold up our shared principles as the rationalization for their actions, and I demand only that they show respect for these principles by executing them consistently. It would be harder on their coffers and their reputations but better for the rest of the world.
At this point I think the military dictatorship of Egypt should be quickly deposed in order to avoid a similar polarization of the Egyptians as in Iraq and now Syria, to restore the tenuous democracy that was taking root in that country. But this will not occur; instead, the politicians will hem and haw, give vague signals about freezing military aid in order to silence domestic outrage, even limited as it is by our provincial fear of democratic Islamism, and then continue to support the butchers in power.
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That's one of the problems, why should our economic interests be tied to oil producing nations 5000 away from us? They shouldn't, and whos economic interest is it? The worlds elite.
Since when is invading a country without any clear mission adding "stability" to the region? Most rational people would call it instability.
Ideally, the US would feed itself with small-scale decentralized agriculture and our economy would not be dependent on foreign oil for transportation of the basic necessities of life; manufacturing would be handled on-shore and there would be much less energy demand inherent in the price of everyday goods. Under such circumstances we would be able to ignore the middle east, they would be able to run their own affairs and we would not have any stake in the matter. Instead we live with this shit sandwich, and it's not changing very quickly.
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Re: The world will now interfere in Syria [Re: Aedan]
#18768457 - 08/28/13 01:26 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Aedan said: One year to the day of obamas "red line" speech the chemical attacks happened.
It was obviously the rebels who gassed those people. Backed by the US government.
Unbelievable. They are just begging to get us into another world war.
The rebels don't have the resources to do that.
The Saudis do.
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Re: The world will now interfere in Syria [Re: Baby_Hitler] 4
#18768528 - 08/28/13 01:44 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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10 years out of Iraq, now the Liberals are the war hawks pushing an unpopular war with a questionable Casus Belli

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Re: The world will now interfere in Syria [Re: elax420] 2
#18768542 - 08/28/13 01:48 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: The world will now interfere in Syria [Re: Gilgamesh18] 2
#18768550 - 08/28/13 01:51 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: The world will now interfere in Syria [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#18768559 - 08/28/13 01:54 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Aedan said: One year to the day of obamas "red line" speech the chemical attacks happened.
It was obviously the rebels who gassed those people. Backed by the US government.
Unbelievable. They are just begging to get us into another world war.
The rebels don't have the resources to do that.
The Saudis do.
The plot thickens.
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Re: The world will now interfere in Syria [Re: Gilgamesh18] 3
#18768565 - 08/28/13 01:56 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: The world will now interfere in Syria [Re: elax420]
#18768568 - 08/28/13 01:57 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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elax420 said: 10 years out of Iraq, now the Liberals are the war hawks pushing an unpopular war with a questionable Casus Belli

Loving Every Laugh.
Honestly, viewing the Bush years in retrospect, I do miss him. However, I don't miss his friends or advisers (in the latter case because they never even fucking left-- THANKS OBAMA!).
He paints now. Did you know he actually has a soul? I must admit it came to me as a shock.
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Re: The world will now interfere in Syria [Re: Synthe]
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Re: The world will now interfere in Syria [Re: Gilgamesh18] 1
#18768576 - 08/28/13 02:00 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks, Gilgy, for turning this dismal thread into a gallery of some of the finest artworks of our time.
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#18768609 - 08/28/13 02:09 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: The world will now interfere in Syria [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#18768631 - 08/28/13 02:16 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Aedan said: One year to the day of obamas "red line" speech the chemical attacks happened.
It was obviously the rebels who gassed those people. Backed by the US government.
Unbelievable. They are just begging to get us into another world war.
The rebels don't have the resources to do that.
The Saudis do.
Yeah and now the Saudis are threatening Russia to back out of Syria.
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fapjack said: Look at what's happening in Iraq. If you think a regime change anywhere in the Middle East is going to fix anything you are kidding yourself. Those people are fucking savages, we can't fix that with bombs...
What about with LSD and psilocibin?
A quick visit to TPE or this forum would clearly demonstrate that psychedelics would be the worst idea possible.
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