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Re: Who is worse? America or Nazi Gemany? [Re: Lord_McLovin]
    #18777032 - 08/30/13 11:45 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Its not fascistic, Its different, Ever heard of Friedrich von Hayek, his views I think have become very concrete in the USA and UK.


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Re: Who is worse? America or Nazi Gemany? [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #18777058 - 08/30/13 11:52 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Who is worse? America or Nazi Gemany? [Re: Lord_McLovin]
    #18777190 - 08/30/13 12:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Although I don't know the exact sequence of events during the Nazi regime, I believe at first the Nazis were just eroding people's rights and centralizing their government in the same way the USA is doing it today - by rallying the nation against a common enemy, after a significant event - like 9/11 or the Reichstag.

Then, when the police state is well developed, when fascism is a reality, atrocities begin, obviously covertly - as someone said, the allies were not aware of the death camps until they discovered them in the territories they conquered.

Therefore, saying that the scale of the atrocities is not comparable is naive because the USA have been dominating the world for around 24 years now. During this period notable wars led by the USA include the Gulf war (against Iraq), the Kosovo war, the war against Afghanistan and the war against Iraq. Just one example of what I am talking about is the fact that between the two wars on Iraq - in the period between around 1991 and around 2003 - there were "sanctions" against the Iraqi government people which led to the preventable deaths of between 100 000 and over 500 000 under 5 year old children. Tell me how that does not compare with Nazi Germany's first steps in genocide.


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Re: Who is worse? America or Nazi Gemany? [Re: plambe] * 1
    #18777874 - 08/30/13 03:12 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Although I don't know the exact sequence of events during the Nazi regime, I believe at first the Nazis were just eroding people's rights and centralizing their government in the same way the USA is doing it today - by rallying the nation against a common enemy, after a significant event - like 9/11 or the Reichstag.




The Nazis were not an entrenched power before the 30's, so the situation is not comparable. They were a previously obscure group that rode into power atop a wave of popular discontent and political chaos. There were so many competing parties and ideologies in Germany at the time that they won with something like 30% of the popular vote. Furthermore, Hitler's rise to power was accompanied by reprisals and executions of his opponents within his own party.

The Democraps and Republican'ts, on the other hand, have held this country in a circlejerk for many decades, and their behavior is quite predictable. Random political executions do not occur here. Liberties have not been eroded significantly by the war on terror. There is no evidence for death camps in this country, I think it's pretty disingenuous to imply there "might be" just because the German public wasn't aware of their own death camps during WWII. IMO transparency in this country is actually at an all-time high.

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Just one example of what I am talking about is the fact that between the two wars on Iraq - in the period between around 1991 and around 2003 - there were "sanctions" against the Iraqi government people which led to the preventable deaths of between 100 000 and over 500 000 under 5 year old children. Tell me how that does not compare with Nazi Germany's first steps in genocide.




Economic sanctions intended to place pressure upon a tyrannical regime, however unfortunate the unintended consequences (caused actually by the Ba'athists' habit of hoarding resources at the expense of "undesirable" people), are not comparable to the holocaust. As zappaisgod said, I think in this thread, if the intent of the US leadership was to commit genocide against the Iraqi people (or some sub-group thereof), they'd all be dead by now.


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Re: Who is worse? America or Nazi Gemany? [Re: morrowasted]
    #18777901 - 08/30/13 03:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeah cause everyone the US killed was carrying an RPG :rolleyes:



I really hope your post isn't serious. I respect your intelligence dude, but comparing the USA to Nazi Germany is silly.



really no use in comparing anything with that attitude.

lets just all be as fucked up as one thing or another is, and not question it, right? :shrug:

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Re: Who is worse? America or Nazi Gemany? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18777957 - 08/30/13 03:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeah cause everyone the US killed was carrying an RPG :rolleyes:



I really hope your post isn't serious. I respect your intelligence dude, but comparing the USA to Nazi Germany is silly.



really no use in comparing anything with that attitude.

lets just all be as fucked up as one thing or another is, and not question it, right? :shrug:

:2cents:



don't throw the baby out with the bath water. comparisons are still useful. comparing the USA to nazi germany is like comparing mcdonalds to a filet mignon. they are both food but the comparison is useless. maybe 1 in a million people will choose mcdonalds over the filet mignon


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Re: Who is worse? America or Nazi Gemany? [Re: morrowasted]
    #18778099 - 08/30/13 04:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

good point.

both are the same kind of useless comparisons, in my opinion, though.

leaders of US does what people do. leaders of Nazi Germany did what people do, and Germany still does, to this day. continue to make their people satisfied enough that traffic doesn't stop or readily congest; with people ready to confront any problems they have with their leaders.


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Re: Who is worse? America or Nazi Gemany? [Re: morrowasted]
    #18778120 - 08/30/13 04:09 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I hope you people have normalcy bias (this refers to a mental state people enter when facing a disaster) which would imply you at some level in your minds understand you are facing disaster. This happened to the Jews in Germany, in fact this is the first example in the site I used for the definition.

People who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.


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Re: Who is worse? America or Nazi Gemany? [Re: plambe]
    #18778280 - 08/30/13 04:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I hope you people have normalcy bias (this refers to a mental state people enter when facing a disaster) which would imply you at some level in your minds understand you are facing disaster. This happened to the Jews in Germany, in fact this is the first example in the site I used for the definition.

People who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.




What bullshit. You yourself admitted you don't understand the chain of events that led up to the holocaust, now you are condescendingly wishing us the best as if all "we people"  who don't know history are about to be rounded up by a shadowy fascist state that you can't describe. It must be fun to bash Americans without any good reason, just because it's fashionable. :dawerp:


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Re: Who is worse? America or Nazi Gemany? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #18778311 - 08/30/13 04:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I know I was just going to say it sounds like a few people are just bashing America because thats what everyone is doing, or it being "fashionable".

Also, I cant understand how the op can compare the US to a country that committed genocide murdering millions, in the way that they did it. Yeah Americas done some fucked up shit, but I mean cmon.


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Re: Who is worse? America or Nazi Gemany? [Re: Chowder963] * 1
    #18778318 - 08/30/13 04:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

It is very fashionable in Europe to bash America. They think we stole their culture. As if our ethnic diversity makes us somehow not entitled to it, in spite of the fact that our civil society was established by Europeans. Buncha fuckin' racists out there; the seeds of the holocaust fell on fertile ground, after all.


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Re: Who is worse? America or Nazi Gemany? [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 2
    #18778517 - 08/30/13 05:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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It is very fashionable in Europe to bash America. They think we stole their culture.




It is. They mad, lol. Funny thing is people here could give two shits about fucking Europe.


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Re: Who is worse? America or Nazi Gemany? [Re: Niffla] * 4
    #18778527 - 08/30/13 05:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Who is worse? America or Nazi Gemany? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #18778946 - 08/30/13 07:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Although I don't know the exact sequence of events during the Nazi regime, I believe at first the Nazis were just eroding people's rights and centralizing their government in the same way the USA is doing it today - by rallying the nation against a common enemy, after a significant event - like 9/11 or the Reichstag.




The Nazis were not an entrenched power before the 30's, so the situation is not comparable. They were a previously obscure group that rode into power atop a wave of popular discontent and political chaos. There were so many competing parties and ideologies in Germany at the time that they won with something like 30% of the popular vote. Furthermore, Hitler's rise to power was accompanied by reprisals and executions of his opponents within his own party.






Ernst Julius Günther Röhm (28 November 1887 – 2 July 1934) was a German officer in the Bavarian Army and later an early Nazi leader. He was a co-founder of the Sturmabteilung ("Storm Battalion"; SA),[1] the Nazi Party militia, and later was its commander. In 1934, as part of the Night of the Long Knives, he was executed on Adolf Hitler's orders as a potential rival.

Adolf Hitler moved against the SA and its leader, Ernst Röhm, because he saw the independence of the SA and the penchant of its members for street violence as a direct threat to his newly gained political power. Hitler also wanted to conciliate leaders of the Reichswehr, the official German military who feared and despised the SA—in particular Röhm's ambition to absorb the Reichswehr into the SA under Röhm's leadership. Additionally, Hitler was uncomfortable with Röhm's outspoken support for a "second revolution" to redistribute wealth. (In Röhm's view Hitler's election had accomplished the "nationalistic" revolution but had left unfulfilled the "socialistic" motive in National Socialism.) Finally, Hitler used the purge to attack or eliminate critics of his new regime, especially those loyal to Vice-Chancellor Franz von Papen, as well as to settle scores with old enemies

Another reason behind killing Ernst

He was widely known to frequent various gay bars and establishments,was a member of the League and Human rights which was pro homosexual and publicly spoke out against Paragraph 175 of the 1871 laws which stated 'a male who indulges in a criminally indecent activity with another male will be punished by imprisonment'.
Furthermore he is credited with either influencing or writing an anonymous article published in 1932 which stated any nazi who was loyal and fulfilled their duties to the party should be allowed to live private lives of creative eroticism and participate in loving homosexual relationships.A munich paper described Rohm and the SA leadership as 'The Brotherhood of Poofs'


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Re: Who is worse? America or Nazi Gemany? [Re: zappaisgod] * 2
    #18778951 - 08/30/13 07:34 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

That explains why Americans never ever bash Europe.


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Re: Who is worse? America or Nazi Gemany? [Re: Beefcakemighty]
    #18778963 - 08/30/13 07:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Ernst Rohm is one of the more interesting side-notes of Nazi history.


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Re: Who is worse? America or Nazi Gemany? [Re: Gumby]
    #18797076 - 09/03/13 10:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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It tends to happen when he does the amphetamines.



I have not used any amphetamines or anything else for that matter. In fact I just had some weed and a drink after a +3 months tolerance break.

But yeah nazi shroomery strikes again



You may be right tho, comparing America to nazism/fascism may not be truly accurate. In fact its much worse than that, you control and follow your citizens in an unprecedented manner that the nazis could only dream about. You've got nasty retina scanners that work from +1m distance and face-and-walk recognition software tracking CCTV recordings. Even if you try to be anomymous you'll stand out as one and attract even more attention.

Shroomism and others get it.


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Re: Who is worse? America or Nazi Gemany? [Re: mellowparty]
    #18797160 - 09/03/13 11:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:okay:


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Re: Who is worse? America or Nazi Gemany? [Re: mellowparty] * 1
    #18797170 - 09/03/13 11:09 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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It tends to happen when he does the amphetamines.



I have not used any amphetamines or anything else for that matter. In fact I just had some weed and a drink after a +3 months tolerance break.

But yeah nazi shroomery strikes again



You may be right tho, comparing America to nazism/fascism may not be truly accurate. In fact its much worse than that, you control and follow your citizens in an unprecedented manner that the nazis could only dream about. You've got nasty retina scanners that work from +1m distance and face-and-walk recognition software tracking CCTV recordings. Even if you try to be anomymous you'll stand out as one and attract even more attention.

Shroomism and others get it.




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Re: Who is worse? America or Nazi Gemany? [Re: Niffla]
    #18799037 - 09/04/13 12:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Back with a vengence


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