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How to get high without doing drugs / drugs that are not drugs * 1
    #18767635 - 08/28/13 08:55 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Drugs are great because they get you high. But they suck because you can go to jail, get addicted and overdose and stuff.

However, there are a whole list of things that are like drugs, but not. They are like drugs because they get you high, but they are not like drugs because they are not illegal, they are much less addictive, and much safer.

So let us begin.

Valerian root: Valerian root really is like a natural benzodiazepine. A good quality valerian root extract has a noticeable high to it that is sedating, anxiolytic and euphoric. Yes, it makes a fantastic sleep aid (you just feel great as you drift off in to a deep, refreshing sleep) but it can also be taken during the day to relieve stress and anxiety just like a benzo, and it is a fraction as addictive and dangerous as a real benzo. This stuff really works!

California poppy: related to the opium poppy and containing active alkaloids, california poppy can give you a euphoric, sedating, relaxing high and can be used as a sleep aid or just to take the edge off your day. It is psychoactive but not in any way addictive like the real opium poppy derivatives. It can relieve pain and anxiety.

Kratom: This is one of the most amazing pseudodrugs. Like everything on this list it is legal, and it is very effective, with a strong enough strain you can even catch a nod like the heroin users talk about, it is euphoric, it can be sedating or energizing, it kills pain, relieves anxiety, gives stamina for sex or workouts, and is just amazing all around, and is much, much less addictive than real opiates. In fact, its barely addictive at all unless you take high doses all day long every day.

L-theanine: A psychoactive extract of green tea, it puts your brain into the kind of alpha waves you get from meditating, its a proven anxiolytic that can relax and sedate you while also allowing you to focus and think clearly. It is safe even at huge doses, non addictive and an effective alternative to benzos for stress relief.

Pharmagaba: Derived from fermented foods, this safe and legal nutritional supplement supposedly crosses the blood brain barrier and is scientifically shown to have a great relaxing and stress relieving effect. Another safe, natural alternative to benzos. Like L-theanine, it is available in delicious chewable candies.

Passionflower extract: Passionflower extract is a sedative with MAOI activity that can be relaxing, uplifting and can potentiate other drugs.

Kava: Kava is known as the plant of peace and is a great alternative to alcohol as a relaxing social lubricant that is anxiolytic and euphoric and can help mellow you out and make you social and happy.  It is legal and safe as long as you dont mix it with alcohol or tylenol or other liver toxic drugs.

Raw Cacao: Raw Cacao has stimulating, sedating, and euphoric qualities as well as being insanely good for your health. A hot mug of Raw Cacao with coconut oil is just what the doctor ordered at bed time or for breakfast.

Coffee and tea: The caffeine in coffee and tea can provide stimulating energy without the brain damage and hardcore addiction of stimulants like amphetamines.




So if you are the kind of person who enjoys the euphoria, energy and relaxation that drugs and alcohol provide but is worried about the legal consequences or health problems, choose pseudo-drugs like those listed above that are safe, natural and legal instead.

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Re: How to get high without doing drugs / drugs that are not drugs *DELETED* [Re: Moonshoe]
    #18767643 - 08/28/13 09:00 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: How to get high without doing drugs / drugs that are not drugs [Re: AlmostAsCoolAs]
    #18767649 - 08/28/13 09:01 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

California poppies have different alkaloids.


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Re: How to get high without doing drugs / drugs that are not drugs [Re: psi]
    #18767650 - 08/28/13 09:03 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Just checked and they don't contain any actives lol you can't get high off them at all but I'll delete my first post.


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Re: How to get high without doing drugs / drugs that are not drugs [Re: AlmostAsCoolAs]
    #18767652 - 08/28/13 09:04 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Just checked and they don't contain any actives lol you can't get high off them at all but I'll delete my first post.




California poppies? Yes you can get high off  them. I have taken extract capsules with noticeable results. Its just not at all the same as opium poppies.


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Re: How to get high without doing drugs / drugs that are not drugs [Re: AlmostAsCoolAs]
    #18767653 - 08/28/13 09:04 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

They do contain active chemicals, it's just that they aren't opiates.


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Re: How to get high without doing drugs / drugs that are not drugs [Re: psi]
    #18767657 - 08/28/13 09:05 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I want to get my hnads on some valerian root and raw cacao ASAP. Can you OD on valerian? Do you have any idea where I can find it growing naturally? You can also get high without doing drugs with meditation :wink:


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Re: How to get high without doing drugs / drugs that are not drugs [Re: psi]
    #18767658 - 08/28/13 09:06 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

What chemicals?


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Re: How to get high without doing drugs / drugs that are not drugs [Re: Moonshoe]
    #18767659 - 08/28/13 09:07 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

California poppy:

"An aqueous extract of the plant has sedative and anxiolytic action.[8] The extract acts as a mild sedative when smoked. The effect is far milder than that of opium. California poppy contains a different class of alkaloids:[9][10]

    "An aqueous alcohol extract of Eschscholzia californica has been evaluated for benzodiazepine, neuroleptic, antidepressant, antihistaminic and analgesic properties...appeared to possess an affinity for the benzodiazepine receptor."

"California poppy has been used for:

    aiding sleep
    relieving anxiety
    relieving pain"

"California poppy is used for trouble sleeping (insomnia), aches, nervous agitation, bed-wetting in children, and diseases of the bladder and liver. It is also used to promote relaxation.

In combination with other herbs, California poppy is used for depression, long-term mental and physical tiredness (neurasthenia), nerve pain, various psychiatric conditions, blood vessel problems, sensitivity to weather changes, and sedation"

"California poppy contains chemicals that might cause relaxation and sleepiness."


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Re: How to get high without doing drugs / drugs that are not drugs [Re: AlmostAsCoolAs]
    #18767663 - 08/28/13 09:08 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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What chemicals?




"like the Opium Poppy, California Poppy contains a variety of isoquinoline alkaloids including very small amounts of morphine and codeine. While these famous alkaloids may contribute to the activity of Eschscholzia, the medicinal properties are likely due to the rather large variety of other isoquinolines, including californidine, californine, chelerythrine, chelilutine, chelirubine, coptisine, cryptocavine, cryptopine, escholidine, escholine, escholinine, eschscholtzidine, protopine and sanguinarine."


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Re: How to get high without doing drugs / drugs that are not drugs [Re: Moonshoe]
    #18767672 - 08/28/13 09:11 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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there are a whole list of things that are like drugs, but not. They are like drugs because they get you high, but they are not like drugs because they are not illegal, they are much less addictive, and much safer.




Most RC's fit that description and they get you a hell of a lot higher than dandelions :gameover:


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Re: How to get high without doing drugs / drugs that are not drugs [Re: TheShroomingAtheis]
    #18767680 - 08/28/13 09:13 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I want to get my hnads on some valerian root and raw cacao ASAP. Can you OD on valerian? Do you have any idea where I can find it growing naturally? You can also get high without doing drugs with meditation :wink:




The active constituent in valerian (isovaleric acid) is also found in foot sweat, maybe you could do an extraction. :borat:

Seriously though, that's the reason that valerian smells funny.


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Re: How to get high without doing drugs / drugs that are not drugs [Re: Moonshoe]
    #18767684 - 08/28/13 09:14 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Most excellent, I have a large amount of California poppies in my back yard.
So easy to grow too.

Thank you Moon, this is quality information.


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Re: How to get high without doing drugs / drugs that are not drugs [Re: Asante]
    #18767685 - 08/28/13 09:14 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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there are a whole list of things that are like drugs, but not. They are like drugs because they get you high, but they are not like drugs because they are not illegal, they are much less addictive, and much safer.




Most RC's fit that description and they get you a hell of a lot higher than dandelions :gameover:




I don't agree that most RC's are safer and less addictive than other drugs. A lot of RC's are much nastier even than the usual illegal drugs. The psychedelic RC's like Bromodragonfly and the Nbomes and the 2c's have killed a lot more people than shrooms and acid ever did, MDPV and APVP are even more addictive then meth, etc. Yes, RC's are legal, but safe and non addictive? not so much. Even the RC's that appear somewhat safe now may have long term consequences yet unknown.

I swear to god I know the guy from that emoticon in real life. He looks just like that guy right down to the oily face.


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Re: How to get high without doing drugs / drugs that are not drugs [Re: psi]
    #18767686 - 08/28/13 09:14 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Haha. Should I use any solvent or let the sweat dry, scrape the crystals and inject them?


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Re: How to get high without doing drugs / drugs that are not drugs [Re: Moonshoe] * 1
    #18767687 - 08/28/13 09:15 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Those are all still drugs and coffee addiction can be a bitch.


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Re: How to get high without doing drugs / drugs that are not drugs [Re: Moonshoe]
    #18767688 - 08/28/13 09:15 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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"California poppy is used for trouble sleeping (insomnia), aches, nervous agitation, bed-wetting in children, and diseases of the bladder and liver. It is also used to promote relaxation.

In combination with other herbs, California poppy is used for depression, long-term mental and physical tiredness (neurasthenia), nerve pain, various psychiatric conditions, blood vessel problems, sensitivity to weather changes, and sedation"




≠ getting high.:shrug:


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Re: How to get high without doing drugs / drugs that are not drugs [Re: Moonshoe]
    #18767690 - 08/28/13 09:16 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Ahem...

I googled kratom and found the Iamshaman website. It says the kratom is not sold for human consumption.. I'm guessing, like the packages of spice that used to be sold in gas stations, that it says that so it'll be legal or something?

Anyway.. is Iamshaman trustworthy? I'm thinking of ordering some because I've never had any before and I'm a 23 year old on probation and somewhat experienced with psychedelics and weed, but obviously I'm not willing to risk failing a drug test for the weed high and need something good to enjoy legally.


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Re: How to get high without doing drugs / drugs that are not drugs [Re: AlmostAsCoolAs]
    #18767694 - 08/28/13 09:18 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

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"California poppy is used for trouble sleeping (insomnia), aches, nervous agitation, bed-wetting in children, and diseases of the bladder and liver. It is also used to promote relaxation.

In combination with other herbs, California poppy is used for depression, long-term mental and physical tiredness (neurasthenia), nerve pain, various psychiatric conditions, blood vessel problems, sensitivity to weather changes, and sedation"




≠ getting high.:shrug:




Most people say benzos get you high, but what they do is sedate and relax you. The benzo high= sedation and relaxation.

I have taken california poppy extract and I can attest that it did indeed get me high. In addition to a pleasant relaxation it gives me a euphoric feeling on my skin, so that my sheets in bed feel wonderful. Its like a warm cloudly sleepy sedation with euphoria tones.

Nothing intense certaintly but I would say its a mild high.


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Re: How to get high without doing drugs / drugs that are not drugs [Re: TheShroomingAtheis]
    #18767696 - 08/28/13 09:19 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Haha. Should I use any solvent or let the sweat dry, scrape the crystals and inject them?



According to WP it is a liquid at room temperature, and soluble in organic solvents.


Another hebal sedative that really works IME is hops. Try packing an espresso maker with it and drinking a shot.


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Re: How to get high without doing drugs / drugs that are not drugs [Re: psi]
    #18767700 - 08/28/13 09:20 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Lemon shots :smile:


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Re: How to get high without doing drugs / drugs that are not drugs [Re: TwinEclipse] * 1
    #18767744 - 08/28/13 09:39 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Everything you mentioned is a drug. And just because it doesn't get you high doesn't mean it's not a drug.

"A drug is any absorbed or applied substance that changes or enhances any physical or psychological function in the body. If we accept this definition and recognize that body functions include digestion, metabolism, blood circulation, sexual function, growth, wound repair and so on, we must conclude that almost anything can act as a drug."1


Take acetaminophen or a topical application diphenhydramine hydrochloride for example.

And there is a wide wide range of plants that effect the body, such as ginseng, that can be considered drugs.


Really what I'm getting it is I don't like your wording in the title OP  :crankey:
It should read "how to get "high" without the use of illicit street drugs"

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Re: How to get high without doing drugs / drugs that are not drugs [Re: muirileD] * 1
    #18767758 - 08/28/13 09:44 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Nature, meditation, lucid dreaming are great too

Nature can feel as good as any drug after you have psychedelic experiences often
Houseplants, pets, walk in nature, sit in nature, gardening
Each brings infinite happiness

Meditation in nature is the best drug :smile:


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Re: How to get high without doing drugs / drugs that are not drugs [Re: muirileD]
    #18767766 - 08/28/13 09:45 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Everything you mentioned is a drug. And just because it doesn't get you high doesn't mean it's not a drug.




Yeah I find that kind of thing annoying too. Drugs that are not bad must not be drugs, because drugs are bad.


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Re: How to get high without doing drugs / drugs that are not drugs [Re: lessismore]
    #18767818 - 08/28/13 09:56 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Nature, meditation, lucid dreaming are great too

Nature can feel as good as any drug after you have psychedelic experiences often
Houseplants, pets, walk in nature, sit in nature, gardening
Each brings infinite happiness

Meditation in nature is the best drug :smile:





This is the stuff I thought the thread would refer to :O


I've reached quite profound states of encompassing and warm love within myself while hiking in Nature, many many times.

There is immense joy in the simplicity of Nature (which when you evaluate it, it's not quite so simple hehe).


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Re: How to get high without doing drugs / drugs that are not drugs [Re: muirileD]
    #18767973 - 08/28/13 10:52 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Really what I'm getting it is I don't like your wording in the title OP  :crankey:
It should read "how to get "high" without the use of illicit street drugs"





Not just illicit street drugs, but also legal pharmaceutical drugs. Really it should be "how to get high on legal plants"


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Re: How to get high without doing drugs / drugs that are not drugs [Re: Moonshoe]
    #18768018 - 08/28/13 11:14 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

When I juice produce I get a strong euphoria buzz but I tend to crash after 1.5 hours


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Re: How to get high without doing drugs / drugs that are not drugs [Re: psi]
    #18768115 - 08/28/13 11:51 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Everything you mentioned is a drug. And just because it doesn't get you high doesn't mean it's not a drug.




Yeah I find that kind of thing annoying too. Drugs that are not bad must not be drugs, because drugs are bad.



Isn't it funny how pervasive this warped view on psychoactive chemicals is even on an online community that caters to drug users? I really didn't expect that when I first came here but I guess D.A.R.E. and all related propaganda did its job pretty well. :bored:


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Re: How to get high without doing drugs / drugs that are not drugs [Re: JoieDeVivre]
    #18768192 - 08/28/13 12:19 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

This thread is misleading


should just be called drugs that aren't illegal..


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Re: How to get high without doing drugs / drugs that are not drugs [Re: TheShroomingAtheis]
    #18768239 - 08/28/13 12:29 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I want to get my hnads on some valerian root and raw cacao ASAP.





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Re: How to get high without doing drugs / drugs that are not drugs [Re: s240779]
    #18768283 - 08/28/13 12:41 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Nice list :thumbup:

Kratom and Kava have worked pretty well for me in the past


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Re: How to get high without doing drugs / drugs that are not drugs [Re: plektheplek]
    #18768290 - 08/28/13 12:43 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Kratom is great, for the most part, but I totally think of it as a drug.

A few days ago I accidentally took too much of a strain which is more potent than I'm used to; ended up puking my guts out that night and the day afterwards.

Kava is rad though. Actually I might brew some up right now. :thumbup:


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Re: How to get high without doing drugs / drugs that are not drugs [Re: Moonshoe] * 1
    #18768368 - 08/28/13 01:02 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Posts thread titled "How to get high without doing drugs"

Gives a list of drugs to take to get high



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Re: How to get high without doing drugs / drugs that are not drugs [Re: Synthe]
    #18768778 - 08/28/13 03:05 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Come on man. Don't bash him like that. He obviously meant not the classic drugs you use to get high.


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Re: How to get high without doing drugs / drugs that are not drugs [Re: TheShroomingAtheis]
    #18768818 - 08/28/13 03:18 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Come on man. Don't bash him like that. He obviously meant not the classic drugs you use to get high.



thing is, he already made essentially the same thread. "The Magic Keys to Everything"


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Re: How to get high without doing drugs / drugs that are not drugs [Re: morrowasted]
    #18768950 - 08/28/13 03:49 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

does exercise count?


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Re: How to get high without doing drugs / drugs that are not drugs [Re: muirileD]
    #18769178 - 08/28/13 04:29 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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mio said:
Nature, meditation, lucid dreaming are great too

Nature can feel as good as any drug after you have psychedelic experiences often
Houseplants, pets, walk in nature, sit in nature, gardening
Each brings infinite happiness

Meditation in nature is the best drug :smile:





This is the stuff I thought the thread would refer to :O


I've reached quite profound states of encompassing and warm love within myself while hiking in Nature, many many times.

There is immense joy in the simplicity of Nature (which when you evaluate it, it's not quite so simple hehe).





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