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CitizenErased
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Hydrating coir overnight
#18767436 - 08/28/13 07:36 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I searched around. Only found one similar post with no responses. Last night I went to hydrate 4 bricks of coir in 4 five gallon buckets. Failing to double check the recipe I was using from memory (as I've only done this once before), I used twice the water that I needed per brick.
So in an effort to try and save it, I dumped half of each bucket out and just started liberally adding the 8 quarts of vermiculite I had left and 9 or ten cups of gypsum I had. I also divided an 8 quart bag of loose coir I had between the four buckets. I drained some of the water again and used a food crate with screen in it to push as much of the excess water out as I could.
So anyway, at a certain point I had to go to sleep, and it was still saturated. I dumped all of the buckets into a bigger tub and let it sit overnight with a blanket over it. I can't think of any adverse affects this might have, other than that the sub could be too dry from sitting so long. It seems to be at perfect field capacity though.
Does anyone know of any other risks involved with what I've done, other than maybe having more sub than I need? Will the amount of vermiculite I used or the fact that I let it sit overnight cause some kinds of problems I'm not aware of? Thanks for your help as always.
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Fermentation would be my concern, however coir and verm is low nutrient. well if you feel its not going to be good, then you can repasteurize and drain again
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Thank you for responding. I haven't actually pasteurized anything yet though. Just hydrated. I was going to load it up into jars and pasteurize it today.
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then i thin you be fine bro.
Just get that field capacity feel right.
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It's all good, i've screwed up my dry/wet ratio plenty of times..added some more verm and twas good.
Also another tid bit of info - although it is not recommended. Using the bucket tek pasteurization, after all is hydrated/pasteurized and whatnot can sit up to 72 + hours with 0 loss of quality.
Now like I said, NOT recommended and NOT backed up with any data. Just my own experience.
Before anyone blows up, once again. It's not the best idea, but it'll be okay.
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Smeagol
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Re: Hydrating coir overnight [Re: 1234go]
#18767647 - 08/28/13 09:01 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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To quote RR coir is as nutritious as poo. It has more of just about everything except calcium compared to peat moss per this link
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CCwQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.agrococo.com%2FBethke%2FNUTRIENT_ANALYSIS_OF_AGROCOIR.pdf&ei=ZggeUoPxKLCgyAG8qIGwAw&usg=AFQjCNGMg-K8vkJD-s2Bu-VDpTxNbbh9jg
Averaging a couple different links, because different diets will cause different poo, horses crap is 0.7/0.3/0.6 & coir, from that link, is 0.5/0.08/1.87. P is lacki.g ut K is way higher. I couldnt find a more in depth look as far as protien or other things. To continue quoting RR poo was chosen mostly for texture and not nutrients.
For the coir and mix . . . If youre still going to pasteurize I think getting its moisture content right would be the most important. there has to be less risk of things growing in wet coir, verm amd gypsum that a soaking pot of wbs.
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Re: Hydrating coir overnight [Re: Smeagol]
#18767674 - 08/28/13 09:11 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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CitizenErased said: So anyway, at a certain point I had to go to sleep, and it was still saturated. I dumped all of the buckets into a bigger tub and let it sit overnight with a blanket over it. I can't think of any adverse affects this might have, other than that the sub could be too dry from sitting so long. It seems to be at perfect field capacity though.
I hydrate my coir at night and pasteurize in the morning all the time.
You can wait days if you want.
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Smeagol said: Averaging a couple different links, because different diets will cause different poo, horses crap is 0.7/0.3/0.6 & coir, from that link, is 0.5/0.08/1.87. P is lacki.g ut K is way higher. I couldnt find a more in depth look as far as protien or other things. To continue quoting RR poo was chosen mostly for texture and not nutrients.
I bet you've never grown on hpoo before, have you?
It makes a huge difference in yield and presentation of fruit vs. coir.
Nutrients for plants (NPK) are not the same as nutrients for mushrooms.
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Re: Hydrating coir overnight *DELETED* [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18768213 - 08/28/13 12:24 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Also,Frank, when you said that you don't trust the bucket tek because you've had problems with contams (because of pets, etc) in the past, were you speaking speaking of damion5050's or Otto's?
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MastaBlastar
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Quote:
FrankHorrigan said:
I bet you've never grown on hpoo before, have you?
It makes a huge difference in yield and presentation of fruit vs. coir.
Nutrients for plants (NPK) are not the same as nutrients for mushrooms.
Does Hpoo affect it all that much? I use coir just due to ease of getting it and preparing it. I have to drive an hour to where our horses are to get poo (the owner keeps cows as well) and keep being lazy and not getting any when I go riding.
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Re: Hydrating coir overnight [Re: 1234go]
#18768331 - 08/28/13 12:55 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Im using references not experience. Data from testing doesnt always equal real world results tho. After seeing a debate between RR and others I hit google to find more info than personal experience. Coir isnt a nutrient free sub. The nutrients in coir would be harder for plants to get to than a fungus that "eats" the coir. From the information I have been able to find the myc will absorb the simplier forms first. Along the lines of a humans body absorbing simple surgars faster that complex carbohydrates. The forms available to plants would be absorded first. Also like us tye complex forms take longer to digest before they can be absorbed. Most things used for bulk subs would need to be composted and get broke down by bacteria and fungus before it would be available to plants. Mushroom compost/used bulk sub is an amazing soil amendment. Poo is very accessible to plants. Its concidered a hot fertilizer because it can give nute burn. I can't debate the nutritional value of subs based on experience and harvest. But I can make comparisons and observations and quote things and experienced growers like you, RR and others. My entire plan to grow is different teks and anything I changed in my log has a link to another grow or something. Does poo raise a better mushroom? Seems that way from the grow logs, but there are also wall to wall coir flushes. Why? I would assume the availability of nutrients. Is coir low nutrient? Not really they are just tied up. To simplify my thinking saying coir is low nutrient compared to poo is like saying whole wheat bread is low carbs compared to white bread basex of insulin responce. Beyond npk and others I cant find breakdowns for the other compounds fugus digests and uses like cellulose or other things. Ive read several places coir is a one flush wonder, but is that based on how its used? Im not going to use it for its nutes. Im using it to fluff up the spawn into a "bulk sub" for a trash can mini mono. The nutrients may not be readily available, but it does have nutrients. Maybe someday when I have a clone Ill run some type of side by side. Something along the lines of 50/50 poo/verm and 50/50 coir/verm or something. Some "cutting agent" thats truely nutrient free.
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Re: Hydrating coir overnight [Re: Smeagol]
#18768483 - 08/28/13 01:33 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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God thoughts. Also, do I have to use poo from the field or can I use the store bought already composted hpoo such as Black Gold? Of course this is all checking for added ferts and fungicides, I use only organic subs thus far (aside from gypsum, coffee, and lime) and am gonna stick with it. Aside from that what about worm castings and other bulk subs? I have been using coir, getting wall to wall on flush wonders with some HEFTY first flush yields. I am wondering tho the benefits of using one flushers as second flushes seem to be half at least and take up the same space I could use to start a new tub (adding in the 10 day consolidation) on a long term timetable.
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Smeagol
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Gypsum, coffee and lime are all organic. In the simplest form if it came from the earth or a plant its organic. If its man made it isnt.
Is it actual poo? I have always seen black gold as a potting soil and thats what comes up on the forums search function. If its the potting soil the "forums" say no.
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Re: Hydrating coir overnight [Re: Smeagol]
#18768762 - 08/28/13 02:58 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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No Idea. I remember Black Gold just saying composted cow shit on the bag. No idea if they add anything. I will have to look next time I am there. Also I am PROBABLY be going to get some real shit this weekend as some out of town friends are coming in and they want to go riding and are cool enough to help me collect shit.
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