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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: Delarge]
    #18766963 - 08/28/13 01:43 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I don't understand why people care if a certain drug is talked about in this forum.

I understand like prescription pills and of the sorts, but comeon...If you don't like salvia posts in PE there's a pretty simple solution....



...Don't click on the posts that say salvia in the title!:wink:

..And if the title is misleading and doesn't say anything about salvia..Just hit the back button! :smile:


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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: cez]
    #18767004 - 08/28/13 02:01 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't understand why people care if a certain drug is talked about in this forum.

I understand like prescription pills and of the sorts, but comeon...If you don't like salvia posts in PE there's a pretty simple solution....

...Don't click on the posts that say salvia in the title!:wink:





I don't think its cause he dislikes Salvia so much that he wants to move it! I think this thread is more about how to correctly categorize it!


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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: wolf8312]
    #18767072 - 08/28/13 02:50 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Agreed.

After reading through this thread, my post comes off asshole-ish.

I sowwy :blush:


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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: cez]
    #18767091 - 08/28/13 03:07 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Agreed.

After reading through this thread, my post comes off asshole-ish.

I sowwy :blush:





Ah don't be so hard on yourself man!:cool:

Not areshole-ish more so as someone who dived right into the thread without bothering to read what was going on first! :grin: We've all done it!

Give yourself credit for having the balls to own up! Most people would have turned the thread into a petty three week battle to prove that the OP did in fact have a vendetta against Salvia -whilst knowing that in fact he didn't- simply to avoid having to admit they were wrong!


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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: wolf8312]
    #18768619 - 08/28/13 02:11 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

OP, I understand that salvia can produce dark trips but so can traditional psychs. I mean Terence McKenna stopped taking mushrooms because of an incredibly dark experience he had on them. If you have never had a terrifying ego death experience, then I personally believe your judgement of psychedelics is too narrow. These substances can produce a broad range of experiences ranging from ineffably beautiful to unprecedentedly horrifying. Salvia is equally capable of doing both of these things.

Quite honestly, salvia should be in a category of its own. Salvia is like all three types of hallucinogens - Psychedelics, dissociatives and deliriants - in one. I mean it can disconnect you from your body, cause massive disorientation, incredible visuals (visual and auditory) and more. To say that salvia isn't a psychedelic just because the experiences you have on it aren't always blissful is just wrong. Hell, if salvia is the key to a bad trip then salvia should be the greatest teacher of all psychedelics in my opinion. A bad trip has the ability to change my life a LOT more than a smooth, easy going good trip.

Just my 2 cents.


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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: Delarge]
    #18768898 - 08/28/13 03:39 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Delarge said:
I have never become a tree person branching out into multiple dimensions on traditional psychedelics and i havnt seen the beginning of the universe happen in front of my eyes on traditional psychedelics.

salvia to me feels the DMT version of my datura trips.
More like a dream thats dreamier than a dream and more real than reality,

not the way i feel AWAKE on psych's...


like mushrooms or DMT is the skin, the earth, and the egg,
and i am LOVED

and salvia is like the veins and the inner guts and neurons and under world.
and i am ALONE


it makes me wonder what kind of trips you guys are having? :confused:




Salvia's like that for me too, but I still consider it a psychedelic.


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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: MoonSpirit]
    #18768922 - 08/28/13 03:44 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

really the real reason i am bringing all of this up is because
i wouldn't want people ignorantly to go into salvia thinking its the same as the others in the psychedelic experience category.
which is the mistake i made as a youngster.

on psychedelics i see god. I perceive.
on salvia i become god. I penetrate.

and i think its important to learn about god before you hold all the responsibilities of being able to dream the entire world.

LSD,DMT,Mushrooms, etc. are like the University of spirituality. like college.
salvia is like Post- Graduate work.


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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: Delarge]
    #18769710 - 08/28/13 06:15 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I for one don't want to have to nip over to the ODD forum to find information and trip reports on salvia.  As between the two forums, I believe the admins made the correct decision when they determined it belonged in the  PE.

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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: Nature Boy]
    #18769735 - 08/28/13 06:19 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I for one don't want to have to nip over to the ODD forum to find information and trip reports on salvia.  As between the two forums, I believe the admins made the correct decision when they determined it belonged in the  PE.

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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: SLiCeR]
    #18771609 - 08/29/13 01:59 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

lol salvia put me in an odd state. i swear i was a tentacle being diced up by a big ass butcher knife, and every cut felt like utter bliss.

its definately a psych, and a powerful one.


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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: Delarge] * 1
    #18771741 - 08/29/13 03:28 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Great discussion.

The Staff has looked into this very issue on several occasions. Salvia does seem like the odd one on the list but it remains here. Why? The answer is very simple and frankly kind of boring. Salvia is physically safe and hardly addictive.

Things get removed from the list primarily for being potentially physically dangerous.

Our list would make more sense if we also included say MDA, MDMA and DXM to round it out but alas, they all come with too much risk for this forum. But like salvia, these substances seem to compliment the psychedelic traveler.

RC's are out because some are dangerous, some are not, but their names are so similar it would be far too easy for someone on this forum, to misread a post and give out potentially dangerous dosage advice. So off to ODD with them. No dosage advice allowed. Of course this means we sacrifice some greats. If any of the safe RC's become household names, we will likely add them to the list. There was a time when people in general didn't know the difference between LSD, LSA and LDS. Now LSD is a household name.

So a long, boring answer. That is why salvia remains here though.

I actually agree with you. Salvia is not a true psychedelic but neither is weed. People who try salvia tend to be trippers not crackheads. This is simply the best forum for people to get the most knowledgeable replies about the subject. It would be a shame to take dosage advice away from such a physically safe substance by moving it to ODD. We don't want the attention we may draw if some idiot gives bad dosage advice on an unsafe substance. It also could harm the OP and anyone else who clicks on or googles the thread... but we want to allow open discussion for as many substances as possible considering the circumstances.


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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: Rose]
    #18771765 - 08/29/13 03:50 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Thank you, Cervantes:thumbup:

finally a good explanation!


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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: Delarge]
    #18771859 - 08/29/13 04:51 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

My pleasure.

I want to add this: Psychedelics are not entirely safe but this is a psychedelic forum. We compare the relative safety of other substances to the relative safety of our allowed psychedelics.

I would love to add tobacco and alcohol to our list, but even they fail the test. We may look the other way from time to time when these subjects come up, though.

In spite of being a drug forum, we do keep safety in mind.


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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: Rose]
    #18772006 - 08/29/13 07:06 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I smoked salvia and I saw walls breathing and patterns on the ceiling, so yes, it is a psychedelic.

Here's what I don't get -
This forum considers marijuana to be a psychedelic, but talk of K2/Spice, which is synthetic marijuana is prohibited and perfectly civil threads get locked instantly. You just can't talk about it in this section.

Meanwhile, RC's that mimic other psychedelics are freely discussed with no moderator intervention. Does this make sense? If so, then how?


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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: Universe]
    #18772023 - 08/29/13 07:22 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Dark or not it is psychedelic. I do understand how it could be classified differently but in the end its a plant that alters perception. :mushroom2:


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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: Gorlax]
    #18772028 - 08/29/13 07:25 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not for moving salvia to the ODD, but OP has a point that our logic is entirely inconsistent. 2c-b and ketamine belong on this forum by that logic

Moving salvia too ODD would be stupid though because dosage advice is more likely to be helpful than detrimental with this particular drug. Same with the ones I mentioned


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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #18773150 - 08/29/13 01:37 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

OP, I have no idea what you're talking about, with Sally not being a psychedelic.

I've started with it, was amazed with everything it showed me, and then when I made the transition to shrooms, dmt, aya, lsd, hwbr, mescaline, I was perfectly at home there, since they were close enough to the Salvia experience.

MUCH more of a psychedelic than say, marijuana.

First time users who have been so superficial in their research to knot know anything about Salvia, those won't really be helped by a new forum structure. They're used to learn things the hard way anyway :lol:


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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: Universe]
    #18773295 - 08/29/13 02:08 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Universe said:
I smoked salvia and I saw walls breathing and patterns on the ceiling, so yes, it is a psychedelic.

Here's what I don't get -
This forum considers marijuana to be a psychedelic, but talk of K2/Spice, which is synthetic marijuana is prohibited and perfectly civil threads get locked instantly. You just can't talk about it in this section.

Meanwhile, RC's that mimic other psychedelics are freely discussed with no moderator intervention. Does this make sense? If so, then how?




First, psychadelic does not mean it makes you hallucinate. Many things like exhaustion can cause hallucination.

Spice is a problem because most people don't have any clue what they are buying, and the recipe has changed frequently to avoid changes in laws. The most worrying thing is it is often packaged as potpouri and not for human consumption, which means one does not have to specify strength or quality. Some types of spice come with a higher risk than we'd like to deal with in here, and dosage advice is near impossible. It is unfortunate but there you have it.

The RC discussion we allow in here tends to be when people are trying to determine if what they have is LSD or not. There are occasionally other exceptions, that we may make on a case by case basis.

This is a high traffic forum and Mods are not omnipotent. It can take over 4 hours a day to catch up with every single new thread and post. That is not possible for every single mod to do on every single day. Some threads slip through the cracks. Use the notify Mod button and you will help us.


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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #18773337 - 08/29/13 02:18 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm not for moving salvia to the ODD, but OP has a point that our logic is entirely inconsistent. 2c-b and ketamine belong on this forum by that logic

Moving salvia too ODD would be stupid though because dosage advice is more likely to be helpful than detrimental with this particular drug. Same with the ones I mentioned





Ketamine is NOT a psychedelic. Dissociatives do not provide the insight that psychedelics do. Same goes for PCP and Amantia.


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Re: Request to move salvia to ODD [Re: KingKnowledge]
    #18773424 - 08/29/13 02:39 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

See, welcome to the world that is this forum.

There is no simple black and white answer for why our list is the list it is.

The Staff frequently reevaluates our list and we do tweak it from time to time. We frequently ask for the forum's input when we consider making changes.

The main criterium is physical safety. I have listed several other reasons in my recent posts. 

I love many of the posters in here. Let's be honest though. The average advice given in here can be quite bad. Do you know how many times I have seen someone ask for dosage advice for Pan Cyans and get advice for Cubes? At least there is no physical danger. With RC's such mistakes could be deadly.


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