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Re: Better to try and fail, or stay indoors not even trying? [Re: KGB Is Go]
    #18753164 - 08/24/13 09:21 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Well my method for approaching girls is indeed quite how should I say, by the checklist? :lol:

I've learned at some point that I am rather clueless about dating in general, so I hit the PUA resources pretty hard, to lern how things work. Wisdom that served me very well, and put me more than once in very nice relationships. That being said, I'm sure it would seem pretty cold and weird, if I explained the process here, what kind of things and metrics and techniques go through my head as I get to know a girl.

I think it's important to know that I wasn't judging this girl against my personal wishes and expectations, but what I've come to consider normal, what I've seen with other girls. There's normally so much body contact required, so much time spent together, before you're comfortable enough for a kiss. 3 days is rather a lot in my experience. In fact I'm thinking I should have gone for it earlier. What are you supposed to do if the girl says she's new at this, doesn't have enough experience? In my case I figured ok, let's go through the whole thing somewhat slower, give her time to get used to it. How much slower turns you into a wuss and ruins the whole thing? Maybe I was too slow, maybe too fast. This is precisely the kind of stuff that happens, if as a dude you get mixed confusing signals from a girl, and with this one I'd say that I got them.

I called her spoiled brat and difficult because she just took and took and gave very little back. What I expect is a give and take kind of interaction, or a nice fuck off if the girl's not interested. Several days of just taking is not something I saw coming. I expect that from beggars on the street, not regular people. Anyway I will make things clearer in the future, so I spot this stuff earlier on.

I do agree about the aggressive thoughts, those were a complete surprise to me as well. I'd be trying to do unrelated stuff, knowing that my best bet is to simply move on, and there they were, spamming me from who knows what sadistical female-hating corner of my subconscious that got triggered. What can you do? :shrug:

Main thing now is to chill out, relax, rest, make sure I bring none of this crap to the next girl interaction. Clean slate, good vibes is the name of the game :chillpill: :chillpill: :chillpill:


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Re: Better to try and fail, or stay indoors not even trying? [Re: Spacerific] * 2
    #18753460 - 08/24/13 10:51 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

You seem to be judging girls as though they're an entirely different species, or even as though they're inferior by nature.

Why are you so concerned about somehow messing up the pacing of your intimacy? Are you really afraid she's going to turn you into a "wuss" by making you go slower than you normally would, and having you actually have to ASK about some of the mixed signals she's sending? Maybe she has a complicated explanation for all of these things. Why the term wuss? Are you that insecure about your masculinity?

I think KGB is right, and you need to search yourself more about your attitudes towards women, and your disdain for complicated human emotions (or as you know it..  mixed signals). The insecurities they bring up have made you consider giving up on trying to connect to people? Continue to reach out, and don't be afraid to let your paradigms shift.


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Re: Better to try and fail, or stay indoors not even trying? [Re: Spacerific] * 1
    #18753518 - 08/24/13 11:15 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Which is good, my thought process was getting way out of control regarding her, complete with anger, rage, sadistic rape and murder fantasies and things that are obviously out of proportion. Emotions can be really strange sometimes :shrug:



This sounds like an EXTREMELY unhealthy train of thought. Sounds like something more than anything you can just "shrug off".

At least you recognize the fact that that type of thinking is obviously out of proportion.


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Re: Better to try and fail, or stay indoors not even trying? [Re: Sheekle]
    #18755384 - 08/25/13 02:30 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Holy smokes, what an evening. I do believe I'm starting to figure this out.

I went out to the park to roller skate and draw and stuff. Met the girl by chance, she was there with her dog and mom and we spoke for a minute. Apparently she sprained her ankle or something. Schadenfreude to the max when I heard that, like some evil part of me was gleefully enjoying the bad news and wishing she'd be in a cast, all fucked up.

I went about my business, somewhat annoyed that these thoughts are spamming an otherwise nice evening. Later I ran into her again, at the water fountain. She was in a group, we briefly talked, she made a phone call, I went about my business.

Still later, I am going to a totally different area of the park, looking for a place to sit and figure out the next couple of weeks. Had with me some paper and pencils and was about to diagram and list and put it all on paper. Turns out that somewhere to my left, there's her again, with her huge dog, in the same group, running around and playing tag, everybody was having a good time. I'm like hmm, nice. I should do that. Then incredible waves of anger, hatred, visions of all kinds of sadistical things towards her, messed up Tarantino stuff.

As this is happening, I think wtf? I take a step back and think really, wtf is going on here? This isn't me at all. What the hell pissed off my inner primate so bad, that it's reverting to this extreme idiot mode, so far from the 21st century?

I look again and it hits me: group exclusion. Whatever beef and anger I may have, it has little to do with this particular girl, and much more to do with feeling completely alone, left out and disconnected. Seeing her well integrated in her group was just a straight up in-my-face reminder of what I don't have at the moment, as indeed I don't have a group in this city. Best times I've ever had were at psy festivals, of course with a nice connected group, a lot of social contact. Worse times I am having here, as I don't have anything like that yet, and wasn't even focusing that much on getting it.

So I'd say whatever the problem might be here, it's clearly not with this girl, as with me needing a group, team, community, friends circle, something to belong to. I didn't really take this into account too seriously when I left art school (due to poor quality of instruction) and I didn't consider it when I made my online business, that for the most part happened alone at my laptop all day.

Definitely need to focus on this and take care of it, as this is not a "pick up girls" problem, it's a "find a tribe" problem.

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Re: Better to try and fail, or stay indoors not even trying? [Re: Sheekle]
    #18755663 - 08/25/13 03:35 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Sheekle said:
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Spacerific said:
The one thing that provides me some satisfaction now is knowing that this girl will be unsatisfied and alone for a loooooooooong time as far as boys go.



:girlofdisapproval:




Haha no shit right ? same reaction I had...


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Re: Better to try and fail, or stay indoors not even trying? [Re: CounterCulturest]
    #18758478 - 08/26/13 04:31 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

:ifindthisboring:

OP, you need to stop thinking about all this and just let the derailment happen already.


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Re: Better to try and fail, or stay indoors not even trying? [Re: Spacerific]
    #18760056 - 08/26/13 03:31 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

>Better to try and fail, or stay indoors not even trying?

You get out what you put in. One of the worst pieces of advice I've seen thrown around on shroomery.org regarding relationships is "just wait and the right person will come along." This advice, to me, is basically like expecting the win the lottery without bothering to buy a ticket (oh don't worry, the lottery company will buy one for me and then I'll win.. just gotta wait :lol:)

The more you go out, the more people you meet, the more awesome relationships you'll be in. Simple as that. It's a numbers game. Don't be afraid of coming across as a "try hard," that's just a label lazy, unsuccessful people like to give people that strive for success. In the long run, the harder you try the better you'll do, at everything.


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Re: Better to try and fail, or stay indoors not even trying? [Re: Dawks]
    #18760229 - 08/26/13 04:01 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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>Better to try and fail, or stay indoors not even trying?

You get out what you put in. One of the worst pieces of advice I've seen thrown around on shroomery.org regarding relationships is "just wait and the right person will come along." This advice, to me, is basically like expecting the win the lottery without buying bothering to buy a ticket (oh don't worry, the lottery company will buy one for me and then I'll win.. just gotta wait :lol:)

The more you go out, the more people you meet, the more awesome relationships you'll be in. Simple as that. It's a numbers game. Don't be afraid of coming across as a "try hard," that's just a label lazy, unsuccessful people like to give people that strive for success. In the long run, the harder you try the better you'll do, at everything.



This is a beautiful post Dawks


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Re: Better to try and fail, or stay indoors not even trying? [Re: Sheekle]
    #18764039 - 08/27/13 01:54 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Beautiful indeed, thank you for the encouragement Dawks :biggrin:

So update: felt a bit better, spend some time painting again, then today got out again to keep the momentum. Ran into the girls with the painted sneakers, spoke to them. Ran into this deeply religious girl I knew from quite a while back, also roller skating, asked about her 10+ sisters in her big Pentecostal family (true story, really 13 siblings or such, same mom).

Noticed that there's this young interesting looking girl with red skates, rolling alone, up and down the hill, with these very nice flowing movements, really feminine. Had seen her on another day doing the same thing. She passed me a few times when I was talking with the other girls, so yeah must have been a sign that I'm not some creepy loner which in reality I totally am :lol:

Then I figured I'd roll up next to her and ask how come she's rolling alone, again. Which I did. She then asked me how to roller skate backwards, then we took it from there, bunch of technical skating talk. Accompanied her home, made a longer interaction of it, talking about all sorts of things. Goes to show that yes, straight up being out there and playing the numbers does work.
About the girl, I thought she was 15-16 by her looks and size, but turns out she's 19. Which works very well for me. :pedobearpancakes:
Also, she has this non-human, android, robot, cyborg feel about her, that I don't think I've seen in many real life people. Totally reminds me of the Terminatrix and of Harvey Keitel in Saturn 3. Not sure if anything will click, but it never hurts to have a cyborg on your team :lol:

Keeping it chill, calling her out to skate again, and spreading it all out as per the previous post. Taking care of the group inclusion thing. Will be keeping my eyes open for more potential friends, all ages and genders, a larger social group to integrate in.


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Re: Better to try and fail, or stay indoors not even trying? [Re: Spacerific]
    #18764071 - 08/27/13 02:02 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Also, she has this non-human, android, robot, cyborg feel about her, that I don't think I've seen in many real life people




Stay indoors, please.


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Re: Better to try and fail, or stay indoors not even trying? [Re: Spacerific]
    #18764084 - 08/27/13 02:06 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

depends on what you're looking for. to me, comparing this with my experiences, it sounds like she was very shy and needed a slow, more tactful hand but often times it can be worth it to take the time to allow someone's personality to fully blossom.

if you're just looking for tail or a flingy headache relationship then move on but do it with tact, girls like her can hang on to things like this and start using it as a base judgement for how guys will treat her in the future.


I'm not saying you were wrong, I'm saying ya'lls priorities and approach are different.


For example: I was engaged 4 years ago. She ended it, broke my heart. I have not been in a relationship since, but I am looking and I'm looking for someone who might be looking for what I'm looking for. I've had plenty of opportunities but often times have turned away from them perceiving a difference in desires (flingy sex vs relationship status). She could be and likely is afraid of being taken advantage of and (again) needs a slow hand to show her she can relax and trustfully open up.


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Re: Better to try and fail, or stay indoors not even trying? [Re: Spacerific]
    #18764111 - 08/27/13 02:11 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Spacerific said:
Holy smokes, what an evening. I do believe I'm starting to figure this out.

I went out to the park to roller skate and draw and stuff. Met the girl by chance, she was there with her dog and mom and we spoke for a minute. Apparently she sprained her ankle or something. Schadenfreude to the max when I heard that, like some evil part of me was gleefully enjoying the bad news and wishing she'd be in a cast, all fucked up.

I went about my business, somewhat annoyed that these thoughts are spamming an otherwise nice evening. Later I ran into her again, at the water fountain. She was in a group, we briefly talked, she made a phone call, I went about my business.

Still later, I am going to a totally different area of the park, looking for a place to sit and figure out the next couple of weeks. Had with me some paper and pencils and was about to diagram and list and put it all on paper. Turns out that somewhere to my left, there's her again, with her huge dog, in the same group, running around and playing tag, everybody was having a good time. I'm like hmm, nice. I should do that. Then incredible waves of anger, hatred, visions of all kinds of sadistical things towards her, messed up Tarantino stuff.

As this is happening, I think wtf? I take a step back and think really, wtf is going on here? This isn't me at all. What the hell pissed off my inner primate so bad, that it's reverting to this extreme idiot mode, so far from the 21st century?

I look again and it hits me: group exclusion. Whatever beef and anger I may have, it has little to do with this particular girl, and much more to do with feeling completely alone, left out and disconnected. Seeing her well integrated in her group was just a straight up in-my-face reminder of what I don't have at the moment, as indeed I don't have a group in this city. Best times I've ever had were at psy festivals, of course with a nice connected group, a lot of social contact. Worse times I am having here, as I don't have anything like that yet, and wasn't even focusing that much on getting it.

So I'd say whatever the problem might be here, it's clearly not with this girl, as with me needing a group, team, community, friends circle, something to belong to. I didn't really take this into account too seriously when I left art school (due to poor quality of instruction) and I didn't consider it when I made my online business, that for the most part happened alone at my laptop all day.

Definitely need to focus on this and take care of it, as this is not a "pick up girls" problem, it's a "find a tribe" problem.

:themoreyouknow:




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then the rest will come when you are the kind of person you want to meet

when you are yourself you don't need anything
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Re: Better to try and fail, or stay indoors not even trying? [Re: lessismore]
    #18764188 - 08/27/13 02:27 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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mio said:

The only thing you need is to be yourself

then the rest will come when you are the kind of person you want to meet

when you are yourself you don't need anything
but anything you could possibly benefit from will come when time is right





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Re: Better to try and fail, or stay indoors not even trying? [Re: lessismore]
    #18764215 - 08/27/13 02:33 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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koods said:
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Also, she has this non-human, android, robot, cyborg feel about her, that I don't think I've seen in many real life people




Stay indoors, please.



A bit harsh and quick to judge, don't you think? Have you met teh same girl or what? How do you know she's not like that? :rolleyes:

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Astrodelic said:
depends on what you're looking for. to me, comparing this with my experiences, it sounds like she was very shy and needed a slow, more tactful hand but often times it can be worth it to take the time to allow someone's personality to fully blossom.

if you're just looking for tail or a flingy headache relationship then move on but do it with tact, girls like her can hang on to things like this and start using it as a base judgement for how guys will treat her in the future.


I'm not saying you were wrong, I'm saying ya'lls priorities and approach are different.


For example: I was engaged 4 years ago. She ended it, broke my heart. I have not been in a relationship since, but I am looking and I'm looking for someone who might be looking for what I'm looking for. I've had plenty of opportunities but often times have turned away from them perceiving a difference in desires (flingy sex vs relationship status). She could be and likely is afraid of being taken advantage of and (again) needs a slow hand to show her she can relax and trustfully open up.



I'm currently using Savoy's progression, as that makes the most sense for me at this time. The progression goes friends -> friends with benefits -> gf. Steps follow steps, one after the other. Not looking for one time fucks or anything like that, as that would just leave me at square one all over again, basically wasting my time. So needs to be somewhat stable, somewhat interesting on several levels (not just physical) and still have room to maneuver, especially early on. There's certainly place for long term involvement, but there's also a selection process, as to who I'm involving myself with. I've seen this go right a few times, I've seen it go wrong once, maybe I should have been clearer with the girl as to what I'm up to.

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mio said:
The only thing you need is to be yourself

then the rest will come when you are the kind of person you want to meet

when you are yourself you don't need anything
but anything you could possibly benefit from will come when time is right



I disagree. Humans are social animals. Now I'll be the first to say I wish they weren't, I wish I'd feel great and my brain would work fine whether I'm alone for months or surrounded by friends. That's NOT what happens in practice, at least not with me nor anybody I've ever known. Humans thrive in groups, social circles. I've seen some amazing Ayahuasca trips, felt good for a while, then felt bad and alone, if I had nobody to really share them with. We evolved in groups, we need good group integration and physical presence around each other to fully thrive. Many other animals need that, and you can actually measure it. Social animals don't do well alone.

Be yourself and wait for when "the time is right" seems like a recipe for disaster to me, it's incredibly vague and I hope you won't go around giving this kind of advice to people. I was myself when I was an anxious fat virgin nerd. Not all the selves are good to be, at least if you want to be happy and thrive.

There are skills one can learn, dynamics one can focus on and understand, there are things one can do other than waiting for some magical time. You don't wait to become physically fit, you actively work at it. How is a good social integration any different?


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Re: Better to try and fail, or stay indoors not even trying? [Re: Spacerific]
    #18764346 - 08/27/13 03:02 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

That makes sense. I don't know if I have any problems with how your reported interactions went then. Maybe just explaining how her thought process can differ from yours.

Dating is a risk that everyone knowingly takes, so long as your genuine and your motives aren't hidden then you can't worry about it. Everyone gets their heart broken and everyone breaks a heart.


I do disagree with how you seem to have taken Mio's advice, but chalk it up to different philosophies of life. Some believe it's best to put themselves out there and purposefully search out risks. Others believe it is best to do what makes you happy and take the risks as they naturally arise. I'm a student of the second school of thought, and I'm much happier than I was when I was following the first but I know through experience of friends that it comes down to the individual as to what works best for you.

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The depth vs breadth question posed here just about sums it up: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/7481460


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Re: Better to try and fail, or stay indoors not even trying? [Re: Spacerific]
    #18764448 - 08/27/13 03:21 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

The true self is the happy self :-)

So maybe you weren't yourself before, just like I wasn't myself before

Establishing a new life takes time, and I agree that being social is important to us , at least most of us , myself incl

Sometimes we seek what we don't need/aren't ready for though

Instead of seeking friends locally we might seek a GF, or drugs, food, flirts/sex, work, studies etc.
to fill what we are missing, when we are not ourselves , and start to get attached to those things

Not being oneself is easy, stress.. or drugs too often (own experience)

Reconnecting with nature is good though , seems you do that :-)
Removes stress, brings happiness

If you are happy and couldn't possibly be happier most of the time you are yourself :-)
Then I'm sure things will work out, else you need to work on something (you probably know this ..)

Everything else than happiness everyday is something we created against ourselves(frustration, worries i.e.)

Girls are sometimes a bit random IME, but often it is ment to be, because they didn't fit into our lives at the time, maybe they didn't even fit us at all and it wasn't true love

Not sure how to write this, but it's nothing personal, your experience is pretty similar to mine, almost scary :smile:

I won't go into details here, but it's a very similar story
and I can finally see it now it was the right choice years later, we were very different, it would never have worked out


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Re: Better to try and fail, or stay indoors not even trying? [Re: Spacerific]
    #18764468 - 08/27/13 03:24 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Today when I finally processed that she's gone from my radar and I now need a new victim




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Re: Better to try and fail, or stay indoors not even trying? [Re: urbannerd]
    #18764569 - 08/27/13 03:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Mio, I do get what you're saying, just wanted to point out that waiting is not a good strategy in these matters, unless you're waiting in the right state (thriving) the right place etc. Which obviously I am currently not. Not yet.

In an unrelated matter, nice avatar, I grow as well :biggrin:

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Spacerific said:
Today when I finally processed that she's gone from my radar and I now need a new victim




keyword: victim



Bit of a joke mate, don't make too much of it. If anything, I've learned that a more chill, relaxed approach is likely to go much better than an active chasing one. Victims require chasing, I myself like to place myself where girls fall from the sky. In this case, active girls in the park. So far so good.

Massive thanks go to RSD Julien and his amazing videos, they really helped me get my mindset back in order this time around :nyan:


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Blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear.



For truly, I say to you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see, and did not see it,
and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it.
- Matthew 13:16


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Re: Better to try and fail, or stay indoors not even trying? [Re: Spacerific]
    #18764962 - 08/27/13 05:12 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Spacerific said:
Mio, I do get what you're saying, just wanted to point out that waiting is not a good strategy in these matters, unless you're waiting in the right state (thriving) the right place etc. Which obviously I am currently not. Not yet.

In an unrelated matter, nice avatar, I grow as well :biggrin:




:smile:

The avatar is a birdseed my birds eat ;-)
they had dropped it down on my peru torches cacti by mistake when flying around it seems :wink:

just like you can plant sunflower seeds in your garden (from WBS mixes) and make huge sunflowers, the wild birds love to eat those too ;P

always a new surprise from nature each day, I love to skate and draw too :-)

mostly draw people/nature/animals , it's a good way to learn from nature often, and just have fun / remove stress , enjoy it as much today as 10 years ago although I had forgotten it for some years
just like I had forgotten nature :-)

peace


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Re: Better to try and fail, or stay indoors not even trying? [Re: lessismore]
    #18766750 - 08/28/13 12:19 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Oh. Well your birdseed plant looks a lot like a Salvia plant, very similar leaves :lol:


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Blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear.



For truly, I say to you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see, and did not see it,
and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it.
- Matthew 13:16


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